Hi All, Just to let everyone who has contacted me on my old address [email protected] I have now changed to the following. [email protected] Regards, Judy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it, hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pet dogs, cats and the small animals: mice, rats and bugs-lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof, hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs." There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That is how canopy beds came into existence. The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor. " The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they kept adding more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entryway-hence a "threshold." They cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a quite a while, hence the rhyme, "peas porridge hot,peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so tomatoes were considered poisonous. Most people did not have pewter plates, but had trenchers, a piece of wood, with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, one would get "trench mouth." Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust." Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up, hence the custom of holding a "wake." England is old and small and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night(the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell,thus, someone could be "saved by the bell," or was considered a "dead ringer. " ===== RESEARCHING GENEALOGY OF: Allaway (Holloway), Attwood, Bourne, Butler, Chalmers, Coote, Cracknell, Crockatt, Dike, Gillard, Giles, Greenham, Hancock, Hatcher, Hillier, Hodgson, Holmes, Howell, Keay, McCallum, McIntyre, Patrick, Peckford, Potts, Price, Ross, Sainsbury, Spiers, Thexton, Wilcock, Young. ALSO INTERESTED IN: Atkinson, Beaton, Biggs, Parsons, Pearson, Thomas, Wickham, Wilkinson

I am looking for my ggrandparents. His name was John Cochrane and hers was Wilhemina Scott McKay. His obit states he was b. in Edinburgh and Wilhemina was born in Amcrum. The dates don't match, but this is the info I have. Obit states John died Dec. 8. 1909 65 years ago last August and he emigrated to America at the age of 25 years. He married Miss Mina McKay the next year after his arrival in America. He was a farmer. The cemetery records state he was 65y 4m 8d old which would make his birth date July 31, or August 1,1844 The marriage took place on Jan 1, 1873 and his age is listed as 27. If he was born in 1844 and came to America at the age of 25 that would be after August 1869 and the obit states he married the next year which would be 1870 but the marriage date I have is 1873. The newspaper announcement for their marriage states:Cochran-McKay Jan. 3rd at the residence of the minister, John Cochran and Miss Minnie Scott McKay and another article from the Early Marriages states: Cockran, John, 27. Minnie S. McKay, 23, m on Jan. 3,1873 at the residence of the minister. Witnesses were James McKay and David Brown. Her dates don't match either as the cemetery records state she died Jan, 29, 1935 at the age of 79y 3m 16d which would make her birth date Oct. 13,1855 and if she was 23 when she married in 1873 she would have been born about 1849. Marianne Senecal

Hi Folks, I am looking for any-one who has come across the above names and any similar sounding variations in their family tree research. Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- From: "barbbuck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] BRUCE & SCOTT 1848 > > Does anyone know where I can write for more information on the following > people? > Trying to find the parents and siblings of this couple. > > According to Melrose Parish records - Proclamation/Marriages > It states----- > Booked for Marriage May 30th > 1845 10 June Melrose 799/5/374 > Bruce & Scott > > William BRUCE in the Parish of Galashiels and Helen SCOTT in this Parish > and married 10th June 1845 > Cautioneer James Scott, Flesher, Galashiels (What is a Cautioneer and a > Flesher?) I don't have any informtion on your people, but I do know that a "flesher" means a butcher. Hope that helps a tiny bit! Beth

Hi everyone, Would anyone know where I could find a painting, drawing, any depiction or info of the "old Castle of Lekprevik" which is said to have been about a mile and a half from Kilbride in Lanarkshire. I am not sure when the castle stood but I think it was destroyed around 1730, thanks to Agnes to the little info I have, and I have heard that it's site is still recognizable with a few ruins. I don't know if a museum or a history book from that time would have any info, maybe even a picture of a castle from the same time period that would have been similar. Anything would be great Allison _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

At this range of time it is going to be very difficult to advise anyone on anything. Devon is a hot spot, and therefore there are more restrictions on walking in the countryside. As far as travel is concerned, there are no restrictions yet, and I don't think that anyone seriously expects that there will be. Generally Golf courses are not used for grazing, and therefore there is no problem, at least I haven't heard of many courses being closed. The latest is that 28 out of 30 courses in Dumfries & Galloway and 18 out of 20 in the Borders are open It is just about a month since this thing began, so no one has any real idea how it will develop Edward Andrews St. Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Talt Smiley [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 31 March 2001 16:37 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] Genealogy Trip > > > Hi to all, > > I am in need of some help. We are planning a trip to Devon, > England; Wales > and Scotland this summer (June-July). Does anyone have first-hand > information on the status of things. We will be spending time on > research, > but would like to do something in the recreation line, such as hiking and > golfing. Our main concern is travel or lack of. > > I would appreciate any help you can give. > > Dottie Smiley > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Why not expand your horizons-- > Sign on with the SCOTLAND mailing list: > mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe > >

Does anyone know where I can write for more information on the following people? Trying to find the parents and siblings of this couple. According to Melrose Parish records - Proclamation/Marriages It states----- Booked for Marriage May 30th 1845 10 June Melrose 799/5/374 Bruce & Scott William BRUCE in the Parish of Galashiels and Helen SCOTT in this Parish and married 10th June 1845 Cautioneer James Scott, Flesher, Galashiels (What is a Cautioneer and a Flesher?) Thank you in advance for any help you can give me. BarB [email protected]

I have received a letter written by my GGGgrandfather to my GGgrandfather. It was written in Kilmarnock on Dec 6, 1866. My question has to do with a term in the letter that I cannot decipher. The letter reads: "I wrote Thomas on receipt of yours of the 6 Nov and enclosed a [cart or cast or card or ??] of your Brother Alex and his..." . Could it be a term for daguerreotype, and if so, what is the actual term? TIA John

Hi to all, I am in need of some help. We are planning a trip to Devon, England; Wales and Scotland this summer (June-July). Does anyone have first-hand information on the status of things. We will be spending time on research, but would like to do something in the recreation line, such as hiking and golfing. Our main concern is travel or lack of. I would appreciate any help you can give. Dottie Smiley

In the1881 census my ggrandparents Alexander & Mary Wilkie Dobbie (nee Brown) in Gorgals Parish Lanarkshire lived at 292 St.Vincents with sons Alexander & John, daughters Margaret & Christina.Since I cant get to a Fam. History Library I wonder if someone would do a lookup for me in the Gorbals 1891 census?It would be much appreciated. TIA. Avril Mintz Chase B.C. Canada

Thanks for your help . Iam going on holiday shall contact you latter. Steve. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hi listers I am deafened by the silence from LANARK-L on these surnames, can anyone else help, Graham, McKill, Cleland, Glendinning. Its possible ancesters have moved either from or to other areas James Falconer Graham Grace Henry clark Graham Nee McKill had 1 sister & 2 brothers, mary / charles / robert Robert & Rebecca Glendinning George Bryce Cleland t i a Jim Graham ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

> No more genealogy, no more gardening, no more day > dreaming and no more > novus attempts at novel writings until I can prove I am > capable of managing > my new stress factors in an orderly and timely fashion. __________ Babs ~~ I cannot imagaine a day with out gardening or genealogy or day dreaming. Don't be away from your LIFE too long. A stressful Scot is an oxymoron. All the best, Jean Brocklebank

Babs--thanks very much for the glowing description of your satisfaction with the list--really appreciate it and of course the subscribers in general on the list deserve all the credit. Good luck in all your endeavors and do hope that you don't forget us entirely and find the time in the future to grace us once again with your presence. Thanks again Dick Mc P.S. Hope you didn't mind me forwarding your message to the list--it's nice to be able to let others know they are appreciated ! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: subject=Scotland.GenWeb.Mailing.List.unsub Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:21:05 EST From: [email protected] To: [email protected] In a message dated 03/28/2001 10:51:43 AM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I would appreciate any comments you might have about your time spent on the > list. Was it fruitful--did it serve your purposes--is the list being > utilized by the subscribers for its' intended purpose--could the list be > better utilized by the subscribers--was it a waste of time--did you have > any problems while on the list or using the list--do you plan on coming > back? Any sugestions on improving the list would be appreciated. Would you > be so kind to let me know the area of the world you're located in--it gives > me some feel for the global distribution of the subscribers to the list. > Please do come back soon ! Thanks for your participation. > Dear Lister Owner: I appreciate your interest for requesting feedback on the resource(s) of your list and am responding to same. I subscribe to many lists as research aids to assist me in my genealogy studies and I found your list to be very helpful and courteous! Matter of fact, I would rate the Scotland list as my number 1 preferred list and I regret having to unsubscribe at this time! The list members are fabulous with their quick, helpful tips and suggestions as well as being very well behaved; the best by far of all my lists! My choice to unsubscribe came about because of new changes in my daily lifestyle and routines; which is that of becoming a full time college student after a 30 year absence and maintaining a part time job, my household obligations, tending to family needs and of course the big one, my relationship commitment to my husband ... so being spread so thin there just is not enough time to do what is required of me and still be able to enjoy my life! Therefore, I came to the conclusion that if I am to be successful at my new objectives I then need to eliminate ALL of my distractions which have been preventing me from doing the required studies and homework assignments! Thus! No more genealogy, no more gardening, no more day dreaming and no more novus attempts at novel writings until I can prove I am capable of managing my new stress factors in an orderly and timely fashion. It's only been one day into my new commitment and I already am feeling the grieving process beginning to set in ... I will be so grateful if I make through and actually finish this semester! Thank you again for requesting my input and a chance to vent! G'Day to you, and best wishes for all of your pursuits for happiness as well! :>) Babs

Hello List - Have researching Cruickshank family (my mother's family) from Kincardineshire/Inverness area of Scotland. She asked me about finding a Cruickshank family from Detroit, Mich area. She met a woman/girl from there in Wash DC during the 1940's who was also working there. Pertaining to ancestral research, I've gotten back to a Hector Cruickshank, born early 1700's. I'm decended fro his son Peter who emigrated to Pictou, NS in 1780's. Hector's wife was a Mary MacDonald. Steve Hopkins [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

One of the best Lists for Ships list is the ISTG, the International Ships Transciption Guild (I believe). This can be accessed on "Cyndi's List" and possibly on Rootsweb's lists. The ISTG is staffed by volunteers and is continually being up-dated, so if you don't find it now, it's worth repeat visits. This site contains port of departure, arrival and most passenger lists. Two things to bear in mind is that many people did not leave from ports near their home or if they did, the last port of departure from Scotland may have been in Ireland or England, which closed down emigration for about 20 years, ca. 1638-1660 (during the Restoration). The other is that some people crossed the Atlantic via fishing vessels to the fishing grounds off Newfoundland or ships to the Carribean, so they did not appear on the passenger ship lists in the expected ports, according to David Cressy in "Coming Over, Migration and Communication between England and New England in the Senteenth Century", 1989, Cam- bridge Press, ISBN 0- 521- 33850-6 (ppbk). This book is extremely informative about occupations of migrants, costs of passage, necessary supplies, etc. and has a good biography for more data. From this book, I found 2 ancestors who were unrelated on a single ship. Daphne Jacob

Hello Carol I saw your message re OPR's 1700-1855 (B&Ms) and Census 1841-1891. Could you tell me exactly which areas these cover. I am currently looking in Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire, and Dumfriesshire to name but a few. Does your database cover any of these? thanks Doreen [email protected]

Hi, could someone please explain the history behind the flag of Scotland to me? Thanks Allison _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Many thanks to the Listers who replied Carol Martn