Please could some one help with an 1851 census lookup please. I would like to find Charles Telford who was born in Cockburnspath Sct. I have no Idea which census covers that area . In 1851 Charles Telford would have been about 5yrs old.but I would be quite happy to find any Telfords in that area at that Time Regards Margaret _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

>>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:04:48 EDT >>From: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] Presbyterian Church records >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Margaret, >>All Presbyterian Church Records members, marriages, Baptisms, daeths are >>kept by the local church. In Scotland the Parish keeps the records. There >>is no central pool of records. >>The National Presbyterian Church office e-mail or website is www.pcusa.org >>for history www.history.pcusa.org. >>The next level of governent in the Presbyterian church is called the >>Presbytery. The Prebytery oversees an area of churches. It checks the >>church records every year but does not maintain copies of membership rolls, >>marriages, death or baptisms in those churches. Linda in Calif. Small correction here! Many of the records( such as Kirk Session records) of the Church of Scotland are now with the Scottish Archives formerly known as the Scottish Record Office. They are in the Scottish Archives Office in Princes St., Edinburgh. Also the B.M.&D are with General Record |Office of Scotland (GROS) A visit to http://www.nas.gov.uk/ and http://wood.ccta.gov.uk/grosweb/grosweb.nsf/pages/famrec will help to show you who has what! Hope this helps! Elma Richmond, Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.

Renee, Have you posted your request to the different Irish county boards? I know of a few Naughton's in Galway, you would try there. Eileen

I 'm sorry if my request seems a little naive, but I am very new to geneology. I have seen a few list members recently asking for someone to "look-up" a Census entry. Is it possible to obtain copies of Census records for given areas (i.e. Glasgow) via the Internet? If so, where would you obtain them (apart from Scots Origins) and what would the costs be? If they are not available for download is there a body that will email you copies of entries for say the 1891 Census? I apologise once more for my ignorance and hope that someone is able to help. Best Wishes ~ Kenny ~ A new bug-bitten family searcher.

Dear List, I have just found two addresses in Dundee on a marriage certificate purchased from Scots Origins. Is anyone able to do a look up of the 1891 census on the following addresses please: 19 Step Row, Dundee - name of Thomson 8 Park Terrace, Dundee - name of Mitchell. Thank you in advance ===== Best wishes Kay Podmore Bensville NSW Australia _____________________________________________________________________________ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more!

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: SCOTLAND-GENWEB-D Digest V01 #51

Relisting my researching for OGILVY **** We have David OGILVY (Painter) of Edinburgh who married Catharina Spence on 2nd July 1801 at Tolbooth Church Parish Edinburgh---David lived at "Burnet's Close, House 312 Lawnmarket Edinburgh" (as according to the Post Office Annual Directory 1820-1821). David and Catharina had a son David Ogilvy born 1804 who did his apprenticeship at The Signet Law Firm Edinburgh starting on 26th July 1832, graduated to Solicitor and in 1839 was appointed by the British Government as Crown Solicitor in Australia..All we have on Catharina's father John SPENCE of Edinburgh that he was a painter too!.**** We have a copy of David/Catharina's marriage certificate and postal registers from which we obtained the information as shown above. *************With the help of a Kind Lister who found for us four OGILVY'S which do appear to be ours; they are William Spence OGILVY b 28/12/1806, Catharine OGILVY b 16/12/1808, Thomas Davidson OGILVY b 1/10/1813 an! d Catharine Ogilvy b 7/3/1811. showing their Father David OGILVY and mother Catharine Mrs SPENCE.******** ********Census shows for Thomas Davidson Ogilvy "Dwelling: 11 Lothian St Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224005 GRO Ref Volume 685-4 EnumDist 38 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas Davidson OGILVY U 68 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Annuitant********* , Would like someone who has access to the Census for this period to look for further information on the Ogilvy's!. We now also at a standstill at the brick wall trying to locate or find the further details of David/Chatarina's parents! For further history on our "David" click on this Web page to view the information!http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/minibios/o/ogilvy.htm Any suggestions!!!!!! Regards, Colin Darby Australia [email protected]

My BRUCE's are from Shetland, connected with FORDYCEs. Not sure whether they are connected with the Sarclet lot. Jenny BARRIS WHEELER

NEW TO LIST: Need info. about g.g.g.grandfather WILLIAM BAXTER m.MARY MCVICAR in Scotland UK. near North Knapdale, Argyll. Would like to know date of births, marriage and who WILLIAM'S father and mother was. Am at a stand still. WILLIAM & MARY'S son was JAMES BAXTER, born in 1779 in Glacintober Scotland and d. 1856 in Ayr Ont. Can. JAMES was christined in North Knapdale, Argyll Scotland on December 5th 1779. JAMES m. MARGARET MCINTYRE (2nd m.)July 2, 1814 in Staint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland. Any info. on MARGARET MCINTYRE would also be much appreciated. Their children were- JAMES JR.b.1813 HUGH b.1818 my g. grandfather Helen b.1820 Catherine b. 182 John. b. 1829 Charles b. 1830 William b.unknown Any information about WILLIAM BAXTER & MARY MCVICAR would be much appreciated. R. David Baxter

NEW TO THE LIST. NEED INFO ABOUT( parents ) of JOHN TORRENCE b. 1600 in SCOTLAND. This is all the info I have about John. Thank you, Etta Dell Torrence Olson

Hello listers, A while back I remember seeing a posting on one of the lists regarding the McILWHINNIE surname. That was before I knew that my gr-gr-grandfather John O'HARA's sister Jane O'HARA was married to Alexander McILWHINNIE. I've looked through the archives of this list, but can't find anything. If that McILWHINNIE researcher is on this list could you let me know if you have an O'HARA connection? Thank you. Win MacKenzie Victoria, Canada

I am looking for information on a Park/Parke family who came from Scotland to Ireland in the 1600's. Names are William, John, and Arthur Park. Spouses surnames are Jack and Hood. Thank you for ANY information. Kaye Park Hinckley, Al

Could someone tell me how to access the census for Scotland. Did they do this every 10 years. I'm interested in finding my grandfather Samuel Alexander Dinning and great-grandmother Susan (Blackstock) Dinning in Lanark Scotland. They left Armagh ? and went to Scotland in the Glasgow area. My father Samuel and two siblings were born in Scotland and moved to Hamilton Canada about 1913. How much information was given in the census of the time of 1900-1910 Sam Dinning Hamilton Ontario

New to the list. We are looking for information on my husband's great-grandparents and great-great-grandparents. If anyone has any coinciding information, it would be great! Great-great-grandparents: Bernard Naughton who was married to Peggy (Margaret?) McDonach--they emigrated from Ireland to Scotland during the Famine. There is no county listed on any of the paperwork we have that has been passed down thru family members--we are beginning to wonder if they "quietly escaped" from Ireland! And, if so, we really don't care! We would like just to find a county. Great-grandparents: Michael Naughton and Mary McAvoy. They were married on April 10, 1864 (possibly 1863) in Coatbridge in Old Monkland. In 1881 British Census, they lived at 15 Hope Street, Cambusnethan, Lanark, Scotland. They had 6 children: James, Michael, John, Mary Ann, Bernard Aloysius, and Hugh. (The Bernard listed here is the grandparent listed below. ) In 1940 when Bernard Aloysius died, he reportedly had left a brother Hugh in Scotland. So, Hugh.....are you out there somewhere? Or are your children out there somewhere?! Grandparents: Bernard Aloysius Naughton and Mary Currie. They were married in Kirkintilloch in RC Cathedral on April 15, 1898. Bernard was born in Newmains, Lanark County, Wishaw, Scotland. Mary was born in Alexandria, Dunbarton County. Bernard's birth certificate reads "McNaughton" but they went by Naughton. They came to the U.S. in 1906 and had 11 children with the first five being born in Scotland. Children: Mary Ann, Catherine L., Margaret Elizabeth, Michael, Bernard Leo, John J., Theresa, Vincent Patrick, Leona Helen, James Francis, and Rita Mae. We are hitting a brick wall at this point with information on Michael and Mary (great-grandparents) and where they were born in Ireland and the same with the great-great-grandparents. Sure would welcome any ideas or help. Many thanks! Jim and Renee

Hi Folks! Trying to find any kind of information on my ancestors who were from Hawick,Scotland Roxbourgh county in the late 1800's to the early 1900's when they immigrated to Ireland between 1901-1903 and were living in a place called Crumlin,Antrim county Ireland. They are gg,grandfather James Johnstone gg,grandmother the former Isabella Douglas son-Robert-b-Nov,21 1891 Hawick,Scotland son-my grandfather Thomas William-b-1901 Hawick,Scotland dau-Isabella not sure of her birth date and there may have been two more daughter's. I have not been able to find any census on this family any help or information would be deeply appreciated. George Johnstone Ontario,Canada

Hello lister's This Is Kevin again and I am still trying to knock over my brick wall so here It goes. I have as my oldest person traced in my line as Joshua Miller unknown yrs of birth & death. His eldest son Joshua Miller born circa 1779 married  Elizabeth circa 1799, Elizabeth was born circa 1784, Joshua d: 11 Nov. 1851. Joshua & Elizabeth had the following children: John M. Miller (unknown years for him)  Elisha Miller (unknown years for him) Anna Miller (unknown years for her)       Phoebe Miller (unknown years for her) Robert Miller b: circa 1801                  Hannah Miller b: circa 1802 Jacob Miller b: circa 1807                   Luton Miller b: April 1809 d: 7/7/1884 Laura B. Miller b: circa 1819 d: 5/4/1896 Joshua was also married to a Rachel they had three children: William Shannon Miller he was born in Markham York Co Ontario Canada 1823. Sarah Miller she was born in Markham York Co Ontario Canada 1825. David Fitzallen Miller was born in Markham York Co Ontario Canada 1832. Joshua Miller SR. Other son Jacob Miller born circa 1786 d: 28.Oct. 1869. He was married to Phoebe Gould and this couple had 16 children as follows: Avery Miller (unknown yrs for him)       Jacob Miller (unknown yrs for him) Alfred Miller (unknown yrs for him)      Mary Miller (unknown yrs for her) Robert Miller (unknown yrs for him)     Abel Miller 1821-1879 circa John Miller (unknown yrs for him)        Warren Miller circa 1825 Martha Miller (unknown yrs for her)    Elijah Miller (unknown yrs for him) Nancy Miller (unknown yrs for her)       Lorinda Miller (unknown yrs for her) Nathon Miller (unknown yrs for him)     Hyram Miller (unknown yrs for him) Joshua Miller (unknown yrs for him). Those are Jacob & Phoebe's children some of these I do have some speculated yrs on so if they look familiar please inquire with me. From what information I have I know my Miller's were from Scotland and I am almost sure that Joshua, Sr. was probably born in Scotland just unsure of where. I also believe that Joshua & Jacob could have been born there to, there is info that also states they were in the Erie Co. NY area around 1801. And then from there they went to the Niagara Falls area then on to settle in Markham twp. York Co. by abt. 1804. Then some of them moved to Genesse Co. Michigan. Michigan is where I am from Midland Co. Michigan. Well, I hope this info trigger's something for someone out there in list land, & thank you in advance for taking the time to read through all of this & any help. Kevin Miller Coleman MI

Margaret, All Presbyterian Church Records members, marriages, Baptisms, daeths are kept by the local church. In Scotland the Parish keeps the records. There is no central pool of records. The National Presbyterian Church office e-mail or website is www.pcusa.org for history www.history.pcusa.org. The next level of governent in the Presbyterian church is called the Presbytery. The Prebytery oversees an area of churches. It checks the church records every year but does not maintain copies of membership rolls, marriages, death or baptisms in those churches. Linda in Calif.

Margaret, Since the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) has the largest single repository in the world for genealogical records and information, they seem to be the most likely to have a web site to aid in the use of their records. If you are looking for Presbyterian church records you might try looking on the LDS site for the particular place your people would have lived in and see if the Presbyterian records for that location have been filmed and are available through that site. Many churches and other organizations have given permission for their records to be filmed by the LDS church because there is no charge to them plus the LDS church will give the repository of the records a copy of the film free of charge. Our clan organization in the US had a group of records filmed by them and we not only have them where anyone can access them now, but we also have our records back in our clan library and a microfilm copy also--all for free. A definite win-win situation if you ask me. What kind of help do you need? Particular records and information from them or knowledge of how to locate and/or use the records and information? Darline -----Original Message----- From: Margaret T Good [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCOTS~GEN] Church Records Hi everyone can someone please tell me if the Presbytian Church has a web site like that of the L.D.S. for online genealogy research hope some one can help Margaret _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ______________________________

Hi everyone can someone please tell me if the Presbytian Church has a web site like that of the L.D.S. for online genealogy research hope some one can help Margaret _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hi all, I am trying to trace my family tree which contains the names, McGhee Gray Lowe McIntyre MacAloney Cording Price Rushton Millard Jones May McLeod I would love to hear from people who might just have the same names as myself in their search, then maybe just we might be able to swap information that might be of value to both of us. Regards, Steve