The following are my known relatives, I've been able to trace. The location is Hillside Montrose Angus Scotland, for my Grandfather. Collieston Angus Scotland for my ggf David Bell. (Marriage). Bell Charles Bell ggggggf Married Ann Sangster. James Bell gggggf Dob 10/6/1766 Married Margaret Colville. Robert Bell ggggf Dob 4/5/1795 Married Isabella Butter Dob 1801. Robert Bell gggf Dob 12/5/1830 Married Ann Archer Dob 1830. David Bell ggf Dob 1863 Married Jessie Petrie Dob 1/6/1870. Alexander Brown Bell gf 6/8/1903 Married Jean Ogilvie Milne 31/3/1906. John Milne Bell father 11/3/1937 Married Elizabeth Mary Gray 14/6/1937. Does anyone have any connections, place details, dates etc. Many Thanks. Alistair Bell.

Just a comment...I am JEALOUS of you getting back so......FAR!!!!!! How did you do it???? Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair Bell" <alibell@tiscali.co.uk> To: <scotland-genweb-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Bell Logie Pert > The following are my known relatives, I've been able to trace. > > The location is Hillside Montrose Angus Scotland, for my Grandfather. > Collieston Angus Scotland for my ggf David Bell. (Marriage). > > Bell > > Charles Bell ggggggf Married Ann Sangster. > > James Bell gggggf Dob 10/6/1766 Married Margaret Colville. > > Robert Bell ggggf Dob 4/5/1795 Married Isabella Butter Dob 1801. > > Robert Bell gggf Dob 12/5/1830 Married Ann Archer Dob 1830. > > David Bell ggf Dob 1863 Married Jessie Petrie Dob 1/6/1870. > > Alexander Brown Bell gf 6/8/1903 Married Jean Ogilvie Milne 31/3/1906. > > John Milne Bell father 11/3/1937 Married Elizabeth Mary Gray 14/6/1937. > > Does anyone have any connections, place details, dates etc. > > Many Thanks. > > Alistair Bell. > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Check out the sister site to this list shown below: > Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Scots > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/topics.ethnic.scots >

Every year at this time, and up to 4th July, the entire US media inundate us with information on the Declaration of Independence, and the men who "wrote" it. One never hears a thing about it being lifted straight from the Declaration of Arbroath, written in 1320. Let's inform our local media of the facts in plenty of time before 4th July. E-mail and fax are the most effective, as letters take ages to arrive since the anthrax scare. The following is from the web page of the Department of Geography at Edinburgh University. You can find the actual document in both English and the original Latin on www.google.com >Although the English armies under Edward II were routed at Bannockburn in 1314, and by 1319, with the recapture of Berwick, effectively expelled from Scottish soil, they continued to mount attacks into Robert the Bruce's Scotland over the succeeding years. The Pope had not accepted Scottish independence, perhaps partially because Robert the Bruce had been excommunicated for killing John Comyn in a church in Dumfries in 1306 (Comyn had formed an alliance with Edward.) Thus the Declaration of Arbroath was prepared as a formal Declaration of Independence. It was drawn up in Arbroath Abbey on the 6th April 1320, most likely by the Abbot, Bernard de Linton, who was also the Chancellor of Scotland. The Declaration urged the Pope to see things from a Scottish perspective and not to take the English claim on Scotland seriously. It used strong words, indicating that without acceptance of the Scottish case, the wars would continue and the resultant deaths would be the responsibility of the Pope. The Declaration was signed and bore the seals of 38 Scots Lords. It was conveyed to Rome and the Pope accepted the Scottish case. > Eileen Herkes, NY

Dear Fellow researchers, This is a reminder that if you are interested in the name "McTURK", then there is a mailing list for you at:- McTURK-L@rootsweb.com If you would like to subscribe to the McTURK list: Just send the command "subscribe" to McTURK-L-request@rootsweb.com. Best wishes, Martin MOORE McTURK-L list-owner

In a message dated 6/9/2002 1:45:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shortis@spot.com.au writes: > > Hello Christine... I hope I've got that right > > Send me some early names as well as timeframes and let's > see if anything shakes up to the top....Kay is not too far removed from > McKay... and could be a sept of > sorts... or a shortcut away from the actual name of McKay when it was a > risky to wear the name MACKAY. > > Regards from Mary shortis@spot.com.au > > > Hi Mary, I am sending you this information. I hope that you can read it okay. I actually only have two "Kay" names (Jane Kay m. John MOrrison) and daughter Jane Kay married to Dewar. thus far. They tie in with my "Dewar" and "Morrison" line. Thanks, Christine > > Descendants of Archibald Dewar > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. ARCHIBALD1 DEWAR He married MARGARET EASTON1 February 10, 1832 in St. > Cuthberts, Edinburgh. > > Notes for ARCHIBALD DEWAR: > In April 30 of 1857 George Square, Edinburgh..living. Peter Dewar aged 21 > - a lthogrphic printer, of 41 Bristo Street, Edimburgh. His parents - > Archibald Dewar - INspector of the poor and Mrgaret Dewar nee Easton. > (Both still living) at this time. Doreen Baxter told me she believes that > an INspector of the poor was someone who made sure that those applying for > poor relief deserved to get it. He would look into their circumstances and > make sure that they really had nothing. She also tells me that The > addresses where the children were born would be where the parents lived. > Virtually all children were born at home at that time and in Edinburgh that > lasted for a long way into the 20th century. > > Children of ARCHIBALD DEWAR and MARGARET EASTON are: > 2. i. PETER2 DEWAR, b. May 30, 1835, St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh; d. > February 11, 1920. > ii. ELIZABETH DEWAR, b. January 05, 1833. > > Notes for ELIZABETH DEWAR: > born in St. Cuthberts. > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. PETER2 DEWAR (ARCHIBALD1)1 was born May 30, 1835 in St. Cuthberts, > Edinburgh1, and died February 11, 1920. He married JANE KAY MORRISON1 > April 30, 1857 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland1, > daughter of JOHN MORRISON and JANE KAY. She was born December 22, 1834 in > Canongate, Edinburgh1, and died August 21, 1903. > > Notes for PETER DEWAR: > Peter was born in St. Cuthberts. According to the 1880 Boston, MA census > Peter and wife Jane were 45 years of age living in Boston in 1880 with > their son Peter aged 10. Census listed them both from Scotland. It listed > his occupation as a Printer. It listed both of their ages as 45. Ward 15, > Boston, Suffolk Co., MA page 233 > > Death Record, 1920, Record #1797 > Name: Peter Dewar > Date: February 11, 1920 > Address: 201 Fifth St. South Boston > Length of residence in city: 34 years > Male: White, married (should state widowed) > Wife: Jane K. Dewar > Date of Birth: May 30 1835 > Age: 84 years, 8 months, 10 days > Occupation: Printer > Birthplace: Edinboro, Scotland > Father: Archibald Dewar > Birthplace, father: Scotland > Mother: Margaret EAston > Birthplace, mother: Scotland > Informant: Peter Dewar, Jr. 201 5th St. South Boston > Cause of death: Arterioscleroesis > > This record shows Peter Dewar at the same address as William W. Moffit in > 1920. James Moffitt lived at the same address (boarded there) in 1915. I > believe was Williams's brother. [wmmoffitt.ftw] > > According to the 1880 Boston, MA census Peter and wife Jane were 45 years > of age living in Boston in 1880 with their son Peter aged 10. Census > listed them both from Scotland. It listed his occupation as a Printer. It > listed both of their ages as 45. Ward 15, Boston, Suffolk Co., MA page 233 > > More About PETER DEWAR: > Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery in Boston, MA > > Notes for JANE KAY MORRISON: > This death record was looked up for me by Pat Monahan > She looked this up in person. > > Death Record, 1902, Volume 4 Page 430 > Name: Jane K. Dewar > Date of Death: August 21, 1903 > Address: 201 Fifth St. Boston, (this is South Boston) > Age: 68 years, 9 months > Female, white, married > Maiden Name: Morrison > Husband's Name: Peter Dewar > Birthplace: Scotland > Name of Father: John Morrison > Birthplace, father: Scotland > Maiden Name of Mother: Jane Kay > Birthplace, mother: Scotland > Occupation: Housewife > Cause of death: Primary: Endocarditis, 3 months,; Contributory: > arteriosclerosis > Burial: Mt. Hpe Cemetery > Undertaker: Lewis Jones & Son, S Boston > > This shows Jane Dewar living at the same address as William Moffitt in > 1903. So I guess William W. Moffitt and his wife Jane Dewar Moffitt had > Jane's parents living with them, as well as James Moffitt and at times > Charles Moffitt and sister Annette (Children of William). > > More About JANE KAY MORRISON: > Burial: Mt. Hope Cemetery in BOston, MA > > Marriage Notes for PETER DEWAR and JANE MORRISON: > This is Peter Dewar's marriage certificate information as per Doreen Baxter > who went in person to Scotland GRO, she lives in Scotland. > > Married 30 April 1857 at 13 George Square, Edinburgh. Peter Dewar aged 21 > - a lithographic printer, of 41 Bristo Street, Edinburgh. Parents - > Archibald Dewar - Inspector of the poor and Margaret Dewar nee Easton (Both > still living). > > Children of PETER DEWAR and JANE MORRISON are: > 3. i. JANE (JENNIE) KAY3 DEWAR, b. June 23, 1857, Edinburgh Parish, > Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. > ii. JOHN MORRISON DEWAR1, b. June 30, 18621. > > Notes for JOHN MORRISON DEWAR: > This is as per Doreen Baxter dorbax@btinternet.com from Scotland GRO she > looked up in person. > > Birth of John Morrison Dewar > > Born 30 June 1862 at 11am at 11 South James Street, Edinburgh. Most > addresses back then were where they were living at home. > > iii. CHARLOTTE BEATRICE DEWAR1, b. August 19, 18651. > > Notes for CHARLOTTE BEATRICE DEWAR: > This is as per Doreen Baxter dorbax@btinternet.com from Scotland GRO, > > Birth of Charlotte Beatrice MOrrison Dewar (Birth certificate information) > > Born 19 August 1865 at 10am at 150 Canongate, Edinburgh,. Father - Peter > Dewar, lithographic ptinter and mother - Jane Kay Dewar, nee Morrison who > married on 30 April 1857. > > iv. PETER DEWAR1, b. June 18691. > > > Generation No. 3 > > 3. JANE (JENNIE) KAY3 DEWAR (PETER2, ARCHIBALD1)1 was born June 23, 1857 > in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland1. She married WILLIAM > W. (WEBSTER) MOFFITT1, son of WILLIAM MOFFITT and ISABELLA MARSTERS. He > was born 1853 in Canada1. > > Notes for JANE (JENNIE) KAY DEWAR: > Born at home to Peter Dewar and wife at 13 George Square, Edinburgh. > > Notes for WILLIAM W. (WEBSTER) MOFFITT: > Boston street directories for 1915 > > As looked up by Pat Monahan shows: > > Moffitt, William W., paperhanger, house 201 W. Fifth St. South Boston His > house I believe. > and > Moffitt, James E. A. Foreman, boards, 201 W. Fifth Street, South Boston I > believe this is Willaims brother maybe. He boards at the house. > > > Boston street directory for 1920 > > Moffette, Charles G., clerk, bds (boards?) 201 W. Fifth St., South Boston > Moffitt, William W. Paperhanger, house 201 W. Fifth St. South Boston. > > Pat was unable to find a marriage certificate for William Moffitt and Jane > > > >

Hi Barbara, I know I am just horning in but my gggrandmother was Mary Ann MacKay who was b.1805 at East River, Pictou County Nova Scotia........she married Robert Kellock (b. 1797 in Dumfrieshire, Scotland......do not know where the marriage took place (only know Scotland) they had 4 children born in Scotland and then immigrated to Nova Scotia either 1832 or 1833 as the 5th child and 7 others were born in Nova Scotia - 12 children total for Robert & Mary Ann MacKay-Kellock. The first of those children was my ggrandfather - William Kellock, my grandfather was Alexander Kellock b. Frostburg, MD born to William & Grace Barber-Kellock. My mother was Alexander & Lillian Kellock's youngest child. Mary Ann MacKay's parents were Will MacKay & Isabella MacKay (don't know maiden name) Any names sound familiar? I am researching KELLOCK, GILLESPIE, MACKAY, BARBER, BYRNES, NORTON, FITZPATRICK and more. Have a great day, Grace in Virginia Meille3@aol.com wrote: > Hello Christine....I've noticed several messages regarding the McKay > name....and I > decided (finally) I just had to contact you!! Do you have McKay relatives in > Manitoba > by chance....my GGrandfather's daughter (I'm not sure what the "correct" > title is for > that position on the chart!) - last name Gamble - married into the McKay > family who > at that time lived in either very southern Manitoba or very northern > Minnsota. If there > is any chance of your knowing of this group of McKays please let me know!! > It would > provide another missing link (there are so many!!) in my searching! > > Thanks very much, > Meille3@aol.com > Barbara > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Check out the sister site to this list shown below: > Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Scots > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/topics.ethnic.scots

Hello Christine... I hope I've got that right Send me some early names as well as timeframes and let's see if anything shakes up to the top....Kay is not too far removed from McKay... and could be a sept of sorts... or a shortcut away from the actual name of McKay when it was a risky to wear the name MACKAY. Regards from Mary shortis@spot.com.au > HI Mary, I have "Kay" in my line from that area? Would that connect? > > Christine your removal from the list. > Commercial activities are off limits on this list.

Hello Christine....I've noticed several messages regarding the McKay name....and I decided (finally) I just had to contact you!! Do you have McKay relatives in Manitoba by chance....my GGrandfather's daughter (I'm not sure what the "correct" title is for that position on the chart!) - last name Gamble - married into the McKay family who at that time lived in either very southern Manitoba or very northern Minnsota. If there is any chance of your knowing of this group of McKays please let me know!! It would provide another missing link (there are so many!!) in my searching! Thanks very much, Meille3@aol.com Barbara

In a message dated 6/7/2002 9:02:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmckay@nemichigan.com writes: > > Christine: > > Your Morrison's are from around Perthshire, and are tied into the Buchanan > Clan. In your search go to DAVIDSON-L-request@rootsweb.com, for your Kay an > Keay families, and for the Morrison's go to > MORRISONS-L-Request@rootsweb.com , also you may want to try > BUCHANAM_l-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and see what this will bring you. You may > have to subscribe to this list in order to query and information. > > Good Hunting > Manu Forti > Marv. > ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Marv, Thank you so much for the good tips,, I will certainly do as you have suggested... Regards, Christine...Virginia, USA

Christine: Your Morrison's are from around Perthshire, and are tied into the Buchanan Clan. In your search go to DAVIDSON-L-request@rootsweb.com, for your Kay an Keay families, and for the Morrison's go to MORRISONS-L-Request@rootsweb.com , also you may want to try BUCHANAM_l-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and see what this will bring you. You may have to subscribe to this list in order to query and information. Good Hunting Manu Forti Marv. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Poppy0206@aol.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [SCOTS~GEN] Surnames McKAY/MACKAY > In a message dated 6/2/2002 8:54:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mmckay@nemichigan.com writes: > > > > Hi Christine: > > > > Yes your Kay's do fall within the Mc Kay / Mac Kay line. According to my > > book of Kith & Kin it shown the Kay's or Keay around Aberdeenshire. etc 14th > > Davidson Clan. It looks line the Kay's or Keay's were part of the > > Mc Kay Clan that took allegiance with the Davidson Clan It looks like they > > migrated to the Davidson Clan in or around the 14th century > > > > Manu Forti > > > > Thanks for the information Marv. I had at least discovered on my own that > they were part of the Davidson clan, however; I am very new in my Scotland > research thus far and appreciate any new infor at all. I do have some > information on my Dewar line from Scotland thanks to a very kind researcher > on the net. I do not have any real info on my Kay line or Morrison line yet > however. > > Happy Hunting! > > Christine > > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Check out the sister site to this list shown below: > Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Scots > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/an/topics.ethnic.scots > >

In a message dated 6/2/2002 8:54:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmckay@nemichigan.com writes: > Hi Christine: > > Yes your Kay's do fall within the Mc Kay / Mac Kay line. According to my > book of Kith & Kin it shown the Kay's or Keay around Aberdeenshire. etc 14th > Davidson Clan. It looks line the Kay's or Keay's were part of the > Mc Kay Clan that took allegiance with the Davidson Clan It looks like they > migrated to the Davidson Clan in or around the 14th century > > Manu Forti > Thanks for the information Marv. I had at least discovered on my own that they were part of the Davidson clan, however; I am very new in my Scotland research thus far and appreciate any new infor at all. I do have some information on my Dewar line from Scotland thanks to a very kind researcher on the net. I do not have any real info on my Kay line or Morrison line yet however. Happy Hunting! Christine

I am looking for information on Jane WRIGHT chr 7 Aug 1849 in Greenyards, Stirling and married Robert GILLON b. abt 1845 in Falkirk, Sterling...married 12 Jul 1872 in Glasgow, Lanark. Their children: Beatrice Sinclair GILLON 1873; Thomas 1876; Alexander 1873; Euphemia 1881; Robert 1883; Jane 1886; and Margaret 1890, all born in Glasgow, Hutchessontown Barbara Lewis

Dr George HENDERSON married Margaret HOOD, 1834, in Berwickshire. Children - Frances, John, Robert, Agnes, Thomas William, James. George was a surgeon in Chirnside until his death in 1864. James' son Norman Perkins Henderson died 1965 in Newcastle. Anyone else tracing this family? Shirley Armstrong NZ

I am seeking descendants of George and Marion McKAY/MACKAY. Lived No 8 Guthrie street, in Greyfriars, Edinburgh,Scotland. In the 1881 census George was 53, born 11th June, 1827. George was a Type Founder [as was his father John and at least 2 brothers.... Walter and Francis]. Known issue: [of George and Marion], Elizabeth C., aged 25 in 1881, and working as an Elementary Teacher. Isabella, aged 22, and working as a shopgirl [Tobacconist]. Parents of George McKAY were John and Annie WATSON. Parents of Annie were Alexander and Margaret. If the above details seem familiar please contact me. If there are questions you'd like to ask.... please contact me..... soon, I am running out of time/life! Regards, Mary shortis@spot.com.au

Hi Christine: Yes your Kay's do fall within the Mc Kay / Mac Kay line. According to my book of Kith & Kin it shown the Kay's or Keay around Aberdeenshire. etc 14th Davidson Clan. It looks line the Kay's or Keay's were part of the Mc Kay Clan that took allegiance with the Davidson Clan It looks like they migrated to the Davidson Clan in or around the 14th century Manu Forti Marv. . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Poppy0206@aol.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCOTS~GEN] Surnames McKAY/MACKAY > In a message dated 6/2/2002 4:43:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mmckay@nemichigan.com writes: > > > > Hi Christine > > The name has to be Mc Kay or Mac Kay. The information as to the place of > > birth was taken from his discharge or separation papers from the Royal > > Garrison Battalion when he was discharged in 1784 after serving in the 42nd > > Highland Regiment Foot during the Amer. Rev. War. He didn't return to > > Scotland but went to New Brunswick instead. If he followed the Scottish > > Naming Pattern his father's name would have been Hugh, and his Grandfathers > > name would have been George. If you contact me direct I will give you my > > thoughts on this. > > > > Thanks > > Marv. > > > > > > Hi Marv > > I just wondered if the surname "KAY" was derived from McKay or MacKay. I > have not made any connections on my KAYS or MORRISONs from Edinburgh area, > but I have gotten some information on my DEWARS from there. > > Thanks, > Christine > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this > list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/SCOTLAND-GENWEB > and: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=scotland-genweb > >

In a message dated 6/2/2002 4:43:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mmckay@nemichigan.com writes: > Hi Christine > The name has to be Mc Kay or Mac Kay. The information as to the place of > birth was taken from his discharge or separation papers from the Royal > Garrison Battalion when he was discharged in 1784 after serving in the 42nd > Highland Regiment Foot during the Amer. Rev. War. He didn't return to > Scotland but went to New Brunswick instead. If he followed the Scottish > Naming Pattern his father's name would have been Hugh, and his Grandfathers > name would have been George. If you contact me direct I will give you my > thoughts on this. > > Thanks > Marv. > > Hi Marv I just wondered if the surname "KAY" was derived from McKay or MacKay. I have not made any connections on my KAYS or MORRISONs from Edinburgh area, but I have gotten some information on my DEWARS from there. Thanks, Christine

Hi Christine The name has to be Mc Kay or Mac Kay. The information as to the place of birth was taken from his discharge or separation papers from the Royal Garrison Battalion when he was discharged in 1784 after serving in the 42nd Highland Regiment Foot during the Amer. Rev. War. He didn't return to Scotland but went to New Brunswick instead. If he followed the Scottish Naming Pattern his father's name would have been Hugh, and his Grandfathers name would have been George. If you contact me direct I will give you my thoughts on this. Thanks Marv. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Poppy0206@aol.com> To: <SCOTLAND-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [SCOTS~GEN] Surnames McKAY/MACKAY > HI Mary, I have "Kay" in my line from that area? Would that connect? > > Christine > > > ==== SCOTLAND-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Use of this list to further anyones' business interests will result in your removal from the list. > Commercial activities are off limits on this list. > >

I am seeking descendants of George and Marion McKAY/MACKAY. Lived No 8 Guthrie street, in Greyfriars, Edinburgh,Scotland. In the 1881 census George was 53, born 11th June, 1827. George was a Type Founder [as was his father John and at least 2 brothers.... Walter and Francis]. Known issue: [of George and Marion], Elizabeth C., aged 25 in 1881, and working as an Elementary Teacher. Isabella, aged 22, and working as a shopgirl [Tobacconist]. Parents of George McKAY were John and Annie WATSON. If the above details seem familiar please contact me. If there are questions you'd like to ask.... please contact me..... soon, I am running out of time! Regards, Mary shortis@spot.com.au

HI Mary, I have "Kay" in my line from that area? Would that connect? Christine

Hi, I am reposting my enquiry hoping someone can help me. I am researching the name BRUCEWATER and many other spelling variants of the name. I presume that it is BRUCE WATER. The last one I can find is Nathaniel BRUISEWATER b abt. 1740. Could someone please tell me the order of the names when both surnames of a husband and wife are used for the children. Whether the husbands name goes first or last. I cannot get any further with my research until I find out. Hoping someone can help me with this. Kind Regards Jen