----- Original Message ----- From: <dgsw07438@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM Subject: Re: How did the Scots name their children????? Hi List >> > Middle names did not become popular until the 20th century. Most common > usage was when the 2nd son was given his maternal grandfathers surname as > his middle name. In response to above, my family who came from Dundee were using ancestors surnames as middle name early in the 1800's although not all children had the middle names, and it was both male & female. I found this helped in eventually finding some earlier ancestors which was great, and also tying in grandchildren as well. Cheers Heather Auck, NZ > ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Orr Thomas Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10122 Message Board Post: Thomas Orr,s first wife died 1879. In 1901 census First Barony Calton Glasgow I find Thomas (bd 1845) Jane ? (47) and Walter (7). The words wife and son have been written over. I cant find the marriage of Thomas and Jane nor the birth of Walter. Walters WW1 (1916) attestaion papers into the Canadian army show his bd 25th Mar 1894 Kelso Renfrewshire Scotland. help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Orr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10121 Message Board Post: Hannah Payne , the first wife of Thomas Orr died in 1879 Brigdeton Dist. Glasgow. In The 1901 census Bromley Calton Glasgow I find Thomas Orr at 35 James St. Glasgow with Jane ?? and a son Walter age 7. The words wife and son on the census are over written. I cant find the marriage of Thomas and Jane ? nor the birth of Walter. Walters WW1 attestation papers of 1916 in the Canadian Army gives his birth as Kelso Renfrewshire Scotland March 25 1894.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Braham,Sample Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10120 Message Board Post: I am looking for any records of any Braham's in Scotland in 1600 and 1500.My Braham's fled Ireland Down County right before 1800 and went to Pennsylvania,because of t regilious persuction.They apparently were landed gentry.Hugh is used alot in my Braham's and the old name of Melancthon for a first name instead of a last as the regilous reformer. Susan LynnChase@usa.com .to go through my list of 49 BRAHAM'S plus descendants with other surnames go to www.rootsweb.com and put in name William Vincent Lambert and click on the one married to a POSSON.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Begley Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EgC.2ACE/10119.1 Message Board Post: Karen, There appears to be a blacksmith of that name born in England as well, but also of Scottish decent. Federal Census of 1871 (Ontario Index) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BEGLEY , ALEXANDER Stray: Individual bears a different surname than the head of the family Sex: Male Age: 35 Birthplace: ENGLAND Religion: Roman Catholic Origin: SCOTCH Occupation: BLACKSMITH District: TORONTO WEST ( 046 ) Sub-district: St. Andrew's Ward ( B ) Division: 3 Page: 37 Microfilm reel: C-9970 Reference: RG31 — Statistics Canada From here: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010803_e.html Regards, Larry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Orr Thomas Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10118.2 Message Board Post: Thanks Murray Archer, I will update this posting re Thomas Orr. The info is out of date.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: dixon Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/EgC.2ACE/10013.1.1 Message Board Post: Murray will try that thansk for your advice anna

Hello from Australia. I am researching my GGrandfather, John CUNNING in Falkirk 1797 to 1849, thence Australia. He married Helen NICHOL and after her death, Marion ERSKINE I have lots of data/photos to share. Cheers, Bob in Melbourne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: URQUHART/FALCONER/STEEL/BIRCH/BAXTER/CROOKS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Murry! I'm hoping that with the way you say it went I can find the additional information I'm looking for. My 3rd g-grandfather's name was John Robertson Urquhart and I'm hoping the Robertson comes from his mother's maiden name. So far I haven't found an Urquhart married to a Robertson who had a son named John in 1800-1810. But the names on John's wife's side match up with the custom. So I'll keep checking and digging. Thanks so much for your reply & Good Luck with your searching also. Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have plenty of ancestors with middle names in the 19th century. They took their middle name from the surname of their ancestor; eg: my GG grandmother Janet Spittal WOTHERSPOON was named after her paternal grandmother Janet SPITTAL. Her sister Isabella Cullen WOTHERSPOON was named after her maternal grandmother Isabella CULLEN. I hope this helps

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne, Orr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10118.1 Message Board Post: Have you look on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for Hannah's death? They have the statutory register of deaths for Scotland.

On the other hand, my grandmother had a sister born out of wedlock in 1889; her name was Alice Hughes McPHERSON. HUGHES was her mother's surname, McPHERSON her father's. She was the oldest child in my grandmother's family, Gran being the second-oldest. On subsequent censuses, Alice is given as Alice TULLIS, TULLIS being my grandmother's surname (i.e. she was "adopted" by my Ggrandfather when he married my Ggrandmother). It took me a LOOOOOOooooong time to find her birth record! Leslie On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:27:03 +1200, Heather Higgins <higgins.global@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: <dgsw07438@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 6:23 AM > Subject: Re: How did the Scots name their children????? > > Hi List >>> >> Middle names did not become popular until the 20th century. Most common >> usage was when the 2nd son was given his maternal grandfathers surname >> as his middle name. > > In response to above, my family who came from Dundee were using > ancestors surnames as middle name early in the 1800's although not all > children had the middle names, and it was both male & female. > I found this helped in eventually finding some earlier ancestors which > was great, and also tying in grandchildren as well. > > Cheers > Heather > Auck, NZ > > > >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the list administrator, or to unsubscribe, or to view > the list archives, or for other information about this list, visit the > list web page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOTLAND.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > -- Kodiak Web Design http://www.kodiak-web-design.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Orr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10118 Message Board Post: Thomas Orr born 1845 Edinburgh and His wife Hannah Payne. Children Thomas Jr., Margaret, Martha, Walter. Find Thomas Jr. in Canada 1892. Thomas Sr. Walter and Margaret in Canada 1896. Martha may have married a Holyrood or Hendry and stayed in Scotland. Hannah Orr [Payne] may have died ca 1895 in Scotland.

Hello Patsy. I found in my family,my Great Grandfather had a midle name like yours. For in those times I have been told that if there was a child born out of weddlock. They would give the real father his second name .Like this was mine Wooliston Carter Levers . Wooliston was a given name,Carter the real fathers name,and Levers his mothers name. What I was told was if the real father and Mother married,they would just drop the Levers and he his last name would be Carter. Hope this might help you,Don Levirs in Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <plethgo@comcast.net> To: <SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [SCOTLAND] Re: How did the Scots name their children????? > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Gee, how I wish I knew if he was first son!!!!! I recently found out that his middle name was Robertson and searching everywhere I can to get more info. on him and his family. Have checked the OPRs with no luck as I don't have a definate date of birth for him. He emigrated to Canada in 1835 with his wife & two daughters. Also found a Lieutenant Alexander Urquhart on same ship who may have been his father as also found an Alexander Urquhart living with him in the 1861 census. And John named his first son Alexander and his second son John. So both of these names fit what you explained. Also the first daughter fits.......not sure about the second daughter. Have found an Alexander Urquhart married to Betty Robertson, but they only have daughters listed........."ugh"! And additional advice would really be appreciated. But don't want all my "confusion" to rub off onto you.....lol > Patsy > > > ==== SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the list administrator, or to unsubscribe, or to view > the list archives, or for other information about this list, visit the > list web page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOTLAND.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Have a look at this site: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/namingse.htm Note that not all families followed a convention, and that there will always be variations on these conventions. Cheers, Leslie On 15/09/2004 16:55:39, scotland-l@rootsweb.com wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >Surnames: URQUHART/FALCONER/FALKNER/STEEL > Classification: Query >Message Board URL: >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117 >Message Board Post: >Can someone please tell me how the Scots named their children in the late > 1700's-early 1800's? Did they name their first born > son's after the birth father or the birth father's father, etc.? > I'm trying to find out if my 3rd g-grandfather's middle name stands for > his mother's maiden name or something else. > Thanks bunches, > Patsy >==== SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the list administrator, or to unsubscribe, or to view > the list archives, or for other information about this list, visit the > list web page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOTLAND.html >============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 -- Kodiak Web Design http://www.kodiak-web-design.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/1071.5060 Message Board Post: Thomas, I was flicking through the Lawrie boards, and spotted that you thought the street name was Riego Street in Edinburgh, the street is infact Reigo Street which is off East Fountainbridge in the Tolcross area of Edinburgh John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EgC.2ACE/1116.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Peggy, I know Dora was Cecil's sister, but I didn't know much about her husband. I didn't even know his name was Sawyer. I do have an old family photo book w/ some old news clippings with the name Sawyer. I unfortunately don't know who most of the people in the photos are. Do you know anything about Cecil's wife Hulda? Are we related? I'm looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Steve

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Gee, how I wish I knew if he was first son!!!!! I recently found out that his middle name was Robertson and searching everywhere I can to get more info. on him and his family. Have checked the OPRs with no luck as I don't have a definate date of birth for him. He emigrated to Canada in 1835 with his wife & two daughters. Also found a Lieutenant Alexander Urquhart on same ship who may have been his father as also found an Alexander Urquhart living with him in the 1861 census. And John named his first son Alexander and his second son John. So both of these names fit what you explained. Also the first daughter fits.......not sure about the second daughter. Have found an Alexander Urquhart married to Betty Robertson, but they only have daughters listed........."ugh"! And additional advice would really be appreciated. But don't want all my "confusion" to rub off onto you.....lol Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Patsy Paternal grandfather = fathers father. Maternal grandfather = mothers father Middle names did not become popular until the 20th century. Most common usage was when the 2nd son was given his maternal grandfathers surname as his middle name. Was John Robertson Urquhart the eldest son ?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Don! Now can you tell me about the middle names? My 3rd great grandfather's name was John Robertson Urquhart. Tell me if I'm right here.......The "John" would be after his paternal grandfather.? Could the "Robertson" be after his mother's maiden name or his grandmother's maiden name. And "maternal or paternal"??? Sorry for all these questions. I think I'm becoming overwhelmed, but they are questions I've always wanted to ask. And you sound like you know what you're talking about...lol Thanks, Patsy