The McAnally/McAnelly surname has two well documented family histories back to their original immigrant and at least five to six family histories that dead end in the mid to late 1700. We are attempting to see if there are connections between these families and will they connect to linages in Scotland and Ireland. The DNA project has six participant to date, four have their test results and two are in process. Of the four results none of the men are related to each other. The family history "The McAnally Family in America" by James L. McAnally published in 1976 chronicles the descendants of his original immigrant (Charles McAnally b. 1685 Scotland) . The family lore implies that Charles was kidnaped and placed on a boat to America as a youth and started life here in Pennsylvania. The DNA results for this line on the author himself indicates he has a haplogroup designation of I1c. We are presently trying to get some distant cousins to join the project to establish a standard for this linage. The family history "The John McAnelly Family" by Gaylon S. McAnelly is a hardback book of 269 pages describes the life and descendants of John and Mary Clark McAnelly who were married 1790 in county Antrim, Ireland and subsequently migrated to the United States in 1792. This history published in 1977 implies that the original McAnelly family came from Scotland and that there is a connection between John McAnelly and a Dr. Adam Clarke a noted Methodist writer. The author searched for further connections to Scotland but was not able to develop any definite information but implicates connections to MacLeans of Mull, McKracken, McReady via the wife of John McAnelly, Mary Clark. The participant from this linage in the DNA project is a R1b haplogroup. We welcome any and all variant names McNally, McAnnally, McAnully, etc to this project as each of the six participants have seen their own ancestors referred to and some branches still using these variant names. And really who is to say which is original and which is variant. John (Jack) McAnally

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Murray, Thanks so much for your help. Do you know if the Scots kept records of the passengers "leaving" Scotland in the mid 1800's? I have the date and ship that my family arrived. And I'm wondering if possibly a record in Scotland could have the town, etc. that they actually came from. I'm also tracing two military records, but think I'm going to have to find someone in Scotland to do the search for me. Have rank, Regiment and duty station for one of them and just rank for the other one. Can't find either in the WO's, but possibly don't have enough information on them for that. Thanks again for your help Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnston, Thomson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10125.1 Message Board Post: Douglas, I have an Elizabeth Thomson, dob 01/21/1868 Old Machar, Aberdeen, daughter of Alexander Thomson and Sarah Pirie. Don't know if there could be any relation?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Johnston and decendants. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10125 Message Board Post: are you a johnston or a decendant living in dalkeith or midlothian. most of my family buried in churchyard there trying to trace any family from william wife helen arnott all children alexander wife elizabeth thomson all children or any part of the family any information contact me Douglas Johnston

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I think that what Marie meant by "earlier census" are the ones taken in 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 - these are not available on-line at Scotlands People just yet, but they are working on them. Something else to watch out for with the naming pattern of children is the high childhood mortality and reuse of names. It may seem that the parents have named their children after their own parents, but not in the order you would expect. It may be that a child died in infancy and the name given to it was reused for the next child born of that gender. A naming pattern that does not comply with the tradition is a clue that this may have happened. Another very useful resource is the 1881 British Census available from the LDS on CD. The familysearch site has the 1881 census transcription available for free for England and Wales, but not for Scotland. Scotlands People have that on-line for a fee. However, the CD set includes Scotland.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10124 Message Board Post: William McKenzie married Elizabeth Roberts on 6 Aug 1819. Would like to trade information with anyone knowing anything about these two people. Thanks, Ron .

I have a Margaret Mackie also, in Victoria , Aus Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nanaannemarie@aol.com> To: <SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [SCOTLAND] Re: How did the Scots name their children????? > In a message dated 9/17/2004 3:43:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > jmb@austin.rr.com writes: > > > 1. Mary Mackie - after maternal grandmother > > 2. Alexander Forbes Irvine Mackie - after the landlord > > 3. Margaret Mackie - possibly after father's sister, or the landlord's wife > > 4. Frances Helen Mackie - unknown > > 5. John Mackie - after father > > 6. Susan Mackie - after mother's sister > > 7. Ann Mackie - after mother > > 8. James Hamilton Irvine Mackie - after the landlord's son > > 9. May Brown Mackie - first name unknown, but Brown was maternal > > grandmother's surname > > 10. Elizabeth Mackie - after paternal grandmother > > 11. George Johnston Mackie - after husband of mother's sister, Susan Lamb. > > George was also his paternal grandfather's first name. > > > > > > Marie; > > I have a Margaret Mackie abt 1811 married to an Alexander Thomson from > Peterhead. > > Sound familiar? > > > AnneMarie > > > ==== SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the list administrator, or to unsubscribe, or to view > the list archives, or for other information about this list, visit the > list web page at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCOTLAND.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDonald/McGregor ETC Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EgC.2ACE/10123 Message Board Post: Thomas McDonald died in 1931 as the result of an accident with a Threshing Mill at Kinnernie,Aberdeenshire,he would have been 27. My mother would have been his neice,she was born the same year. His widow Catherine Williams McGregor,my mother believes she remarried and poss. went to live in Glasgow.Mum thinks there were 4 small McDonald Children,one poss called Violet. Tom/Thomas was born at Leochel Cushnie,Alford,Aberdeenshire to Charles Forbes McDonald and Helen McGregor. David McDonald brother of Charles wed Agnes Ross at Banchory Ternan1895, 1 child i know of born in 1896 Helen Bella McDONALD Agnes died 1899 poss as a result of childbirth. David may have been in America at the time as I found him in Illinois with family in 1910 and going by the ages of the family he may have been out of the country before Agnes died. Any one have any connections? JUNE RIDDELL

In a message dated 9/17/2004 3:43:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmb@austin.rr.com writes: > 1. Mary Mackie - after maternal grandmother > 2. Alexander Forbes Irvine Mackie - after the landlord > 3. Margaret Mackie - possibly after father's sister, or the landlord's wife > 4. Frances Helen Mackie - unknown > 5. John Mackie - after father > 6. Susan Mackie - after mother's sister > 7. Ann Mackie - after mother > 8. James Hamilton Irvine Mackie - after the landlord's son > 9. May Brown Mackie - first name unknown, but Brown was maternal > grandmother's surname > 10. Elizabeth Mackie - after paternal grandmother > 11. George Johnston Mackie - after husband of mother's sister, Susan Lamb. > George was also his paternal grandfather's first name. > > Marie; I have a Margaret Mackie abt 1811 married to an Alexander Thomson from Peterhead. Sound familiar? AnneMarie

I have tried replying to Kerri Gibson and it came back. Have you changed your email address, if so contact me re the Japp Family Lorraine NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, again, Marie. I have most of the sites to spoke of, but didn't know that they will eventually have the earlier census..YIPPEE! I'm searching from 1835 back, so that will be a big help. Also didn't have the old map site, which I will surely look at tonight after dinner. Need to fix that dinner so can look at that map site. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Patsy Scotland is blessed with great record keeping. I used lots of sources - IGI, Old Parish Registers, Censuses (each decade from 1841 to 1901) - all available on microfilm and microfiche through the Mormon Church Family History Centers. I also joined a couple of Family History Societies, many of which produce booklets of memorial inscriptions for graveyards in their area and local histories. Now, the Internet is invaluable - www.familysearch.org - the Mormon Church site where one can search the IGI, and also find what microfilms and fiches can be ordered. www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - where one can download pre-1855 old parish register entries, and post-1855 birth, death, marriage certificates, plus entries from 1881,1891, and 1901 censuses, for a fee - they will eventually have all the earlier censuses. www.scottishdocuments.com - where one can search the index of wills free - and download digital images of them for a fee. www.edina.ac.uk/statacc/ - the Statistical Accounts of all the Scottish parishes can be read there, giving wonderful insight into life at the end of the 1700s and the mid 1800s. www.cyndislist.com - where one can find all sorts of useful websites for genealogists. www.old-maps.co.uk - with maps from the mid 1800s where one can even zoom in close enough to see the shape of the farm buildings. And of course GOOGLE is invaluable. It is amazing what one can turn up by using that. Marie B.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Marie, Pleae tell me...How were you able to find the information you have on your family's history? Are you finding it in the Parish History? Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/EgC.2ACE/10122.2 Message Board Post: Lloyd, I have to agree with Murray – the whole story is confusing – Thomas and Hannah were also married in Glasgow - so IGI says. That’s Lanark. Here’s what Scotlands People has for the parameters shown in Lanark (i.e.Glasgow): Birth Results (Statutory Register Index Births & Christenings (1855-1903)) Criteria : Surname: "ORR"; Forename: "WALTER"; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1903 No. Year Surname Forename Parent Name Sex District County GROS Data 1 1856 ORR JOHN WALTER RAN M GLASGOW CENTRAL DISTRICT LANARK 644/01 0790 2 1863 ORR WALTER M GLASGOW CENTRAL DISTRICT LANARK 644/01 1446 3 1868 ORR WALTER M ANDERSTON LANARK 644/08 1416 4 1869 ORR WALTER M MILTON LANARK 644/07 0976 5 1872 ORR WALTER M DALZIEL LANARK 639/00 0339 6 1872 ORR WALTER M SPRINGBURN LANARK 622/02 0570 7 1879 ORR WALTER M NEW MONKLAND LANDWARD LANARK 651/02 0367 8 1895 ORR WALTER M MARYHILL LANARK 622/01 0587 9 1896 ORR WALTER M MARYHILL LANARK 622/01 0266 10 1897 ORR WALTER M LESMAHAGOW LANARK 649/01 0055 11 1899 ORR WALTER M MARYHILL LANARK 622/01 1376 12 1902 ORR WALTER M FALKIRK STIRLING 479/00 0909 13 1903 ORR WALTER M CAMBUSLANG LANARK 627/00 0087 14 1893 ORR WALTER BUCHANAN M KINNING PARK LANARK 644/14 0916 15 1900 ORR WALTER COWAN M DALMELLINGTON AYR 586/01 0023 16 1899 ORR WALTER CRAIG M PAISLEY RENFREW 573/01 1654 17 1890 ORR WALTER CROSS M HADDINGTON EAST LOTHIAN 709/00 0095 18 1883 ORR WALTER HARVEY M KILMARONOCK DUNBARTON 497/00 0004 19 1892 ORR WALTER MUIR M BOTHWELL LANARK 625/01 0109 20 1879 ORR WALTER PARTICK M OLD MONKLAND (MIDDLE DISTRICT) LANARK 652/02 0563 21 1874 ORR WALTER PATERSON M AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND LANARK 651/01 Plus this one: Marriage Results (Statutory Register Index Marriages (1855-1928)) Criteria : Male Surname: "ORR"; Male Forename: "THOMAS"; Female Forename: "JANET"; City: Glasgow City; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1928 No. Year Surname(M) Forename(M) Surname(F) Forename(F) District County GROS Data 1 1888 ORR THOMAS STOBO JANET BLACKFRIARS LANARK 644/05 0252 The above record is a Thomas Orr (a widower) marrying Janet Stobo. (I peeked). All of the above is yours to check out here: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php Regards, Larry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Patsy Glad to be of help. I do know who the landlord was - Alexander Forbes Irvine of The Drum - and no there is no relationship to the family. Actually, John Mackie had a new landlord in the mid-1820s, he moved from the Schivas estate to a croft on the neighboring estate of Haddo where his landlord was the Earl of Aberdeen who later became Prime Minister of the UK. Most of my forebears were tenant farmers on estates - and I have several other instances of children being named for the landlord. Marie B.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: URQUHART/FALCONER/CROOKS/BAXTER/STEEL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Marie, Gee, don't you wonder who exactly the 'landlord' was?...lol Maybe he was related in some way to the family. I really thank you for the info. It does seem that my 3rd g-grandfather adheard to the cultural naming until he had his third daughter. "IF"....and that's a big "if".....I am on the right trail. I get overwhelmed and just want to pick up the phone and call them for all the answers....lol Thanks again so much & you have a wonderful day. Patsy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10117.2 Message Board Post: Patsy It is true that the Scots, to a certain extent, adhered to the "traditional" naming system. But, as I have found, focussing too much on that idea can lead to some red herrings! Here is an example from just one of my family lines - John Mackie (tenant in Mains of Schivas, Aberdeenshire) and Ann Lamb had 11 children born between 1806 and 1829 - 1. Mary Mackie - after maternal grandmother 2. Alexander Forbes Irvine Mackie - after the landlord 3. Margaret Mackie - possibly after father's sister, or the landlord's wife 4. Frances Helen Mackie - unknown 5. John Mackie - after father 6. Susan Mackie - after mother's sister 7. Ann Mackie - after mother 8. James Hamilton Irvine Mackie - after the landlord's son 9. May Brown Mackie - first name unknown, but Brown was maternal gradnmother's surname 10. Elizabeth Mackie - after paternal grandmother 11. George Johnston Mackie - after husband of mother's sister, Susan Lamb. George was also his paternal grandfather's first name. These names were passed on down through the generations. George Johnston was particularly popular - occuring several times per generation - possibly because the parents thought his much younger wife, Susan, a fairly well-to-do childless widow, might look favourably on her husband's namesakes in her will!!! Children were also named after the minister, the minister's wife, the doctor, a good friend, commanding officer, etc. Hope this helps, Marie B.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Orr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/EgC.2ACE/10122.1 Message Board Post: The place of birth of Walter ORR of "Kelso, Renfrewshire" sounds geographically confused. The town of Kelso is in the old county of Roxburghshire, not Renfrewshire. The modern administrative area is called Scottish Borders. Perhaps Jane was a widow when she married Thomas ORR, and her son Walter's birth was registered under the surname of Jane's first husband. When you searched for Thomas' second marriage, did you search right up to 1901?

I really need some help please. I have spent money and hours looking for this family, can you help please. I found this family on 1881 census at Dundee, Forfar Scotland. GRO ref Fol. 282-4 67 Cowgate. THOMAS ROSS 27 ISABELLA M ROSS 23 THOMAS 2 HENRIETTA 2M I have found Thomas & Henrietta living with a brother Alex Ross on the 1891 census I have searched census and deaths for Isabella and I believe another younger daughter Williamina to no avail. Can anyone help me or advise my next place to search, Hope someone can help me, thankyou Lorraine Anderton

Hi, I am searching for any family or info on Christian (b 12 February 1788 ) & John (August 1790) WATHERSTON children ofWilliam & Agnes( nee YELLOWLEES) WATHERSTON. Many thanks. Helen McNamara in NEW ZEALAND.