This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21643.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Legal adoption did not start until 1930. Prior to that, a child or children would be taken in by close relatives (usually) or friends (occasionally). If the girl was on her own and age 13, there is a strong possibility that she got financial help as a pauper. The surviving Poor Law records (which can sometimes be incredibly helpful) should be with the local archives; in the case of Montrose this would by the Angus Archives at Forfar (they have a website). Gordon Johnson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daveforrest57 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21644.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need to be careful what I post as attachments - copyright issues. Are you sure it was Scotland? :-) Dave Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daveforrest57 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21644.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: PS. What are you trying to achieve? ie birth, marriage of James? Dave (in Glasgow) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daveforrest57 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21644.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Gwilanne, I'm just going out but had a quick look. Nothing obvious but will look in more detail later, unless of course someone else helps. The initial results I found were.... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: derf2fred Surnames: ANDERSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21645/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please see if you can find a Jane ANDERSON born about 1817 in 1841 with parents Robert and Maggie/Margaret in the 1841 Census. Please check TORRYBURN, FIFE and DUNFERMLINE, FIFE and CULROSS, PERTHSHIRE and WEST LOTHIAN. I know of no other siblings and nothing about her parents ages. Sorry. Jane married James SANDS in 1844 and went to Australia in 1849 with James and other members of his family. James had two brothers who married ANDERSON sisters from WEST LOTHIAN but Janet's and Ann's parents were Alexander and Janet ANDERSON. Jane does not fit in that family. Thanks. Fred Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Gwilanne Surnames: Burns Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21644/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello: I am looking for a 1851 Census lookup for the following Family James Burns B: 1819 Sct. Head Father Elizabeth Burns B: 1840 Dtr Mary Burns B: 1842 Dtr Archibald Burns B: 1844 Son Margaret Burns B: 1848 Dtr Adam Burns B: 1850 Son Wife unknown Possibly Catherine Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: young618 Surnames: Thorpe, Barclay Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21643/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Are adoption records available either online or through regular mail for 1882 - 1891? Looking for possible adoption of child born to a 13-year old mother in Montrose area. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: banjo0461 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Bieng a Dundonian I would pronounce the names with an I instead of an E e.g. Howden -Howdin. In the case of Horden it would most likely be Hoardin depending on which part of the town you were from. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DonGillies61 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21640.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Being Scottish, I agree with you that we pronounce our R's with a heavy burr. So it's unlikely to sound like Howden. However looking at it the other way, in the North East of England they hardly pronounce the R at all, so Hordon sounds something like Hawden. This could possibly then be misconstrued as Howden ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSpeed63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Gordon, I did not know that.. Thank you for sharing. I was kind of hoping that it was a mix-up in the spelling on the surname as the reason I am unable to find the next branch up on the tree. Both the census and word have my GGGF coming from Scotland, but no hints as to where to look. Word has it GGF was bootlegging on one side of the river and had "partners" in Scotland who "sent" the Scotch to him. That's where the story ends, as the descendants were embarrassed that they didn't want to "hear" the details and definitely didn't pass the information along. I found out in one of my GF's ramblings towards the end... he had Alzheimers, and when I had this information I went to his little sister and asked her about it. She said she knew little about it but GF knew and said more than she knew about, but she did verify that her father was born somewhere in Scotland, but had no idea where, she believes he was a Lowlander, but was sure that further up the tree a few generations that t! hey were originally Highlanders. Heresay still at the moment, since I'm finding it very hard to find their father's birth anywhere... (that includes searching England and part of Ireland) Well thanks again. Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: GordonPertJohnson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The 1901 census (and any other UK census) is based solely on written returns from the householder (every household was issued with a form to fill in), so the spelling in the census return should be correct for the name of the Inn, whether written by the householder or the enumerator delivering the form - copied from the sign! The same applied to the surname of the family - correct as far as the householder spelled it on the form. Gordon. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSpeed63 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: It does help very much.. Thank you so much :) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flipturn01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21642/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm trying to trace my family history. I know that I have family from Scotland, I'm just not sure if they are from Scotland. This is what I have: Edward S Kelley was married to Mary Alice (Mayme) Hart in September 1912. They had two children: Madeline Elizabeth (born Sept. 28 1913) and James Edward (born March 1917). Edward died in 1918 in the US during the flu epidemic and Mary Alice died in Dec. 1936. Any ideas or information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: hastiegd Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, HOWDEN would be pronounced HOWdn, two syllables with the first stressed and the second like a very foreshortened DIN. The "O" would be pronounced as in "cow". Hope this helps, Graeme Edinburgh Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSpeed63 Surnames: HORDON,(HOWDEN?) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21641/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry part of a sentence in my previous post was only typed 1/2 way through what I wanted to complete that sentence before I went on to the next. What I meant to ask was in the heavy (to my American ears) Scot's accent would Howden sound similar to HORDON to English/American ears? This is part of my brickwall and I thought, when I saw the 1901 Census for Wingate, England that the name of the Inn where GGF is listed as Innkeeper, that perhaps, the "R" and the "W" are/were sort of interchangeable when it came to the accents. (It was my GGF not my GF that was the innkeeper, but my GF still had a heavy Scot's brogue up until the day he died. I loved it, personally) Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JSpeed63 Surnames: HORDON,(HOWDEN?) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21640/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, This is asked with NO disrespect intended! My maiden surname is HORDON. My GF HORDON, lived in Morpeth England, and his father originally was from Scotland. My GF was an "innkeeper" at the HOWDEN ARMS in Wingate, England in 1901. My question is in the pronunciation of HOWDEN would it sound similar to HORDON with a heavy Scottish burr? My GF never lost his heavy Scot's accent or the burr. I am unable to ask him as he passed away in 1978. Thanks Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: flipturn01 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21639/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm trying to find information on the Kelley side of my family and so far haven't had much luck. My grandmother, Madeline Elizabeth Kelley was born September 28, 1913 to Edward S Kelly and Mary Alice (Mayme) Hart. Edward and Mayme were married September 12, 1912. Madeline had one brother, James Edward Kelley, born in 1917. Edward passed away in 1918 during the flu epidemic and Mayme passed away in December 1936. Mayme's parents were Ida S. Miller and Frank Hart. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please respond to my yahoo email account at [email protected] Thanks! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Clannessie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/2089.516.535.543.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Jean Carlaw married to a Robert Campbell. Their son, John, was born 29 Oct, 1749 Linlithgow, West Lotian Scotland. Would make Jean born around 1728 or so Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JuneMayer71 Surnames: Burns Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/2816.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Judy Burns: I am just blown away after reading your email. I am another member of the Burns family have been working on this same information. Robert E. Burns was my great grandfather but because he adopted my father he became my grandfather also. I would love to communicate with you and share the information that we have and learn new things from you. Thanks June Mayer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: phillipharker1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.general/21638/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to trace any relatives of the above mentioned lady, Anne Harvey Abernathy, who married the Rev Rees Davies. Anne Harvey Davies nee Abernathy may have had a sister called Olga L G Ree and another sister called Jessie Lyall Abernathy. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.