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    1. Re: [Sc-Ir] Fw: [Q-R] Edenderry (near Dublin?), Ireland quaker records and/or site
    2. Linda Merle
    3. Hi Forrest, I cannot tell you if the Quaker meeting is on line. I seriously doubt it. She should do a google. The Irish Quaker records are still rather obscure because they were not transcribed. So before they can be 'put on line' one must locate individuals who can read 17th century handwriting and are willing to do this free for a very long time. I can't myself read this stuff and I already got a headache so I would not volunteer for such a hideous project. I've seen the originals on film and they are very very hard to read <grin>!! Maybe we will find a dedicated, rich person with the patience, aspirin, and ability to do this. I sure hope so! The resulting book would be a steal at $100. If you check the archives of the list you will find a lot of info on the availability of Quaker records as I did a 'mind dump' after I figured this out a couple years ago. Folks need to check Falley -- the authority on Irish records. As she is in most libraries, I don't have to repeat what the chapter says. "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research" is the name of the book. Researchers have to consult this reference to make progress with Irish genealogy. She has chapters on Methodist records, Presbyterian, etc. Unfortunately folks don't read books so they don't get too far with their Irish genealogy. It does (alas) require reading books to get enough information to understand where to look for records. Some of the records are filmed and in LDS, however there is the problem of indexes. There is an index for the Ulster records in the Deputy Keepers Report of 1951-53. IT and film of all these records are in Swarthmore. However Edenbury records are in Dublin. One can go there or use Swarthmore, which has film. LDS may have film too -- all one has to do to find them is go to www.familysearch.org and use the catalog. It's not that easy of course --it's a pain to find things. If she wants to know if they are there I'd be glad to try to find them in the catalog. I can't recall if they are in LDS or not.....Anyone checking these at Swarthmore or Dublin needs to read the chapter in Falley to understand the types of records and how they are organized. Ie it would be really stupid to make the effort to search the Edenbury Monthly Meetings and to not also check other types of records that may also include members of the Edenbury meeting. For example there are wills that include Edenbury wills from 1628 to 1763. These are I believe included on an Irish source CD. Also Eustace and Goodbody included abstracts of these in "Qauker Records, Dublin, Abstracts of Wills". This is aval. as a book and on CD. I got the CD and will fire it up. The biggest pain is an index. The Deputy Keeper's index of the Ulster records is sparce but makes it possible to find things. The handwriting is nightmarish....without an index prepared by folk who can read the handwriting it is next to impossible to read the records from the 1600s and early 1700s. I am not sure what index there is of the Dublin holdings except for the stuff that has been published like the wills. Also the Quakers have done a huge amount of work at putting stuff on line. Mostly this was, the last time I checked, American records. The Irish records are difficult to get access to and difficult to use and read, but maybe things will change. These are records to use as a final resort. However the answer to her question is obvious: she moved!!! The Quaker community maintained close ties across the pond. Business ties were esp. important. Perhaps she married a man and then emigrated or emigrated to marry. Or her family emigrated or she went to live with cousins or other relatives in America. US records probably would give some insight at far less pain than Irish. From personal experience: There's a lot more in Swarthmore than is published, filmed in LDS, or available on the web. So if she's not been to Swarthmore she's not done a thorough stufy of American records -- and so she could be missing the answer to her question. If she married in or out of the Quakers, there'd be a record. If she married a non Quaker she was castigated before the meeting (MOU is the code....kinda like the Zen koan MU <grin>). If she was married in the US records, then of course yo'd want to search Irish records for the marriage. I wold do this as a last resort and consider hiring an American who can check in Swarthmore rather than Dublin. easier. (The MOU-joke was funny after a long day of searching...but maybe I was just hysterical after all them hours <grin>) Good websites: http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/records/church/quaker/ http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/friends/ . There's an IMMENSE WALL of cabinets with cards that index the records. There's an IMMENSE index to this card collection about the size of one of those unabridged Dictionaries -- 12 inches or more thick. Then there's the film. Website says: Its holdings include over 3700 linear feet of original archives—membership books, minutes, and other original records. Every time I post on Quakers I get emails warning me about the various types of Quakers. Yes, know about those. No need to risk carpal tunnel with emails on basic info on Quakers. However though I'd done my research before going to Swarthmore I would probably not have been able to get into kindergarden. The librarian is breathtaking. THere's a lot more to know about Quakers. If you go there, use the librarian to save eons of time. Best of luck!! Linda MErle Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> Does anyone know whether the Edenderry Meeting either in or new Dublin, >> Ireland has an online site or has records that can be accessed through >some >> online site? >> Thank you. Still trying to figure out why our Elizabeth Fayle >> transferred from Edenderry Monthly Meeting to Exeter, PA >> Monthly meeting in 1753. >> Janet >> >> >> ==== QUAKER-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Quaker-Roots Archives - Search List Messages From 1996 On >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

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