OK, I give up ! ! ! I'm going to enjoy my Thanksgiving. Grandpa Walt Ulster-Scot McKenzie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish1@comcast.net> To: Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Apology for asking for traditions > G'day , > Thank you so very much for your service to our country, > USAmerica. Isn't it great we can all express our opinion. May God > bless you. Happy Thanksgiving , Walt > P.S. : I can't understand all the confusion over my rather concise, > courteous, constructive opinion. It is a simple matter of having 29,000+ > Rootsweb genealogy mail list, so that each list can experience on-topic > sharing in a relatively kind & mature manner and not psyche-out or > greatly irritate others. Rootsweb is not 1 site / mail list where all of > genealogy, no matter what, is discussed. Again, we can't even > comment relatively on-topic on this one single matter. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish1@comcast.net> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Apology for asking for traditions >> Bag it, Walt. If your primary interest is Scots-Irish >> History go to the library and read up on it. Cultural >> traditions are as important to genealogy as all the >> names and dates going back to the 1700s. That >> information fell off the table a long time ago. >> I'm 58 and of Scots-Irish Descent, a retired US >> Army Sergeant First Class(wounded twice), father of >> three and grandfather of seven. If you want to study >> the history of the emigration, as well as the root >> causes; go to the library. These lists are for people >> who wish to learn about their own heritage, not what >> happened 300+ years ago!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Plumstead" <fplum1@gmail.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Apology for asking for traditions > Traditions are a part of history, and history is a part of genealogy. With > out them all you have is a boring list of names, date and place of birth, > date and place of death, and date and place of marriage. For example I have -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.7/180 - Release Date: 11/23/2005

Walt, My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.

Hi Bill , Most genealogist feel there is no documentation to establish a valid reason for the Mac to Mc. However, from all I've seen, changing names to conceal "criminal" / religious etc. background to facilitate relocation was rather common. Some MacKenzie (my) only used the Mac to Mc entirely or initially, with others it seems to have progressed to entire surname thus all the spelling variations some of which look entirely different. My aunt b. 1902 told me ancestors were horse/sheep thieves in Scotland & change Mac to Mc in transition to Ire. These changes took place with moves from Highlands N. Scot to S. Scot, to N.Ire, to S.Ire, to US, Can & Aus. I feel it was done primarily for "criminal" & religious reasons to put past behind & moving along for a better life. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinney" <sholly@adelphia.net> To: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish1@comcast.net>; <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re:Grandpa Walt > Walt, > > My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if > you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. > > Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs > under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. > > Bill McKinney > Erie, Pa. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

I'm no expert but I've also seen references that during the Revolutionary War residents often changed the spelling of their name for political reasons to avoid punishments by the British and then would change the name back when the regime changed. Another reason for the change in spelling is due to persons not being educated and others spelling a name as they perceived it to be. Kirk might be spelled Kerk, Kirke, Curk as well as Quirk(e). I'm sure others just "shortened" their names for whatever reason. Ludie -

-----Original Message----- From: Bill McKinney [mailto:sholly@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:20 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Re:Grandpa Walt Walt, My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.