McKENZIE ~ MADDEN ~ CASSIDY ~ O'NEIL ~ SULLIVAN ~ SHEEHAN IRE Sponsors : MOONEY ~ GREY ~ KENNEDY in USA BALLYMONEY ~ QUEBEC ~ YORK ~ LANCASHIRE ~ GLASGOW ~ BOSTON Greetings All , Primary essential roll call info is on first portion of page 1. Any input greatly appreciated. McKenzie suggest Protestant but family all CATHOLIC since 1874 US & possibly earlier in 18-19th century Ire. May the God of your understanding BLESS YOU. Grandpa Walt "Scot-Ulster-Irish" McKenzie, Sr. Unknown McKENZIE b.c. 1793* (My GGG Grandfather) //BRICKWALL INDIVIDUAL\\ Daniel McKENZIE b.c. 1820* Ire ? John McKENZIE b.c. 1827* Ire ? (My GG Grandfather) (Daniel's Brother or Cousin ? - Farmer**) d.c. 1871*** Ire ? Children m.c. 1846 Mgt. MILLER (Mueller)* James Lloyd b.c.1848-52**&**** Ire Not listed at Groni as Protestant m. m. April 25, 1874 to Mary CASSIDY Ire**. Children (at CATHOLIC Chapel North Rd. York, ENG) BALLYMONEY,*****Ire Children**** Elizabeth b. June1841 or 47****Ire Alice E. 5, John 3, & Mary A. 2m m. None - To BOSTON 1895 James - stone mason**** 1881 & labourer** 1874 John b. Aug 1848 Ire From YORK to LANCASHIRE, ENG 1878-1880 m. 1874 CATH.- Katie MADDEN KEIGHLY / BINGLEY to ACCRINGTON Distrs. Children USA GeorgeThomas b.c.1885-89**GATESHEAD ?,ENG Francis (Frank) Joseph b. 1875 GLASGOW to NY 1907 Residence ANNAN,SCOT John , Jr. b. 1881 CATHOLIC m. 908 BOSTON to Helen MADDEN Daniel Christopher b. 1887 Soc. Secu. 1935 - Age 48 Unemployed - Parents : Joseph b. 1891 JamesLoyd McKENZIE & MaryAnn McKENZIE O'NEIL~SULLIVAN~SHEEHAN Shipper Foreman 1908 & House Painter 1968 BOSTON-SOMERVILLE,MA,USA Children - None ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Based on children birth year. ** Children or self m. record. *** Based on son John 1872 arrival in BOSTON via QUEBEC, CANADA. **** Based on children age, b. in 1900 US or 1881 ENG census. ***** Children ship passenger record ; 12 in Ire, likely ANTRIM, Ire. BACKGROUND INFO SCOTS / ULSTER / IRISH - 17-18th CENTURY - Mc PROT. / CATH. - 03 / 06 Scot. - Reformation (1533 Henry VIII) took place post-1560 and during the 600 -1700's (17th -18th century) Scot. transformed itself from Catholicism to Protestantism. In the 1600's there was much upheaval in Scot. In 1702, Scot. was less than 5 % Catholic and concentrated in the NW islands, the Highlands, Aberdeenshire. In 1745, the Episcopalians lost out to the CoS Presbyt. Both Protestant & Catholic Scots men went to Antrim, Ulster, Ire as farmers, builders & blacksmiths and married Irish Catholic women. Even though the Presbyt. were more welcomed than the Catholics, the children were raised Catholic and eventually the whole family assimilating into Irish culture and thus lost their Scots identity. The Irish Clan McSweeny, Clan Donald & O'Neill, originally from Scot., are well-known examples. Many Catholics were given shelter and protected by Sir Randal McDonald, ethically Catholic, in his Glens of Antrim, Ire. These Scots were from Ayrshire & Argyle (McDonald homeland). Ire - During the 16-1700's (17-18th century) Ire was mostly Catholic. LDS Family Search.org list in Ire b. 1688, a James McKenzie of Carnmoney, Co. Antrim and b. 1698, a Rev. John McKenzie (Presbytr. pastor 1673-1696 CoI ?) appeared in Cookstown, Tyrone. In the 1700's, Ire was relatively peaceful until the 1798 Rebellion which brought economic restrictions and less immigration. In 1718, the first wave of Ulster Scots emigrated to America. Also, Presbyt. & Catholic restrictions were starting to be lifted. IRE APPLOMT. TITHES -ANTRIM/DERRY - 1831 - Mc PROT./CATH.-03 / 06 By the 19th century in 1830"s there were substantial presence of Catholic Mc surnames in NI. Upon surveying some of the Antrim / Derry 1830's NI Applotments Tithes records, it is apparent that Mc surnames are approximately 24 % Catholic. The 76 % Protestant are largely Presbyterian. Of the Mc's, none were McKenzie and one was a McKinny. This is expected since US records indicate that my family were poor farmers in Ire and 3 adult males were unemployed in the 1900 census. There were 57 % Mc's families with the identical surname that were split e.g. 67 % or 50 % or 33 % Catholic vs. Protestant. Families remaining all Protestant represented 43 % of the Mc's. It is interesting to note, that all the Miller's were Protestant. The O'Neil's were 17% Catholic. As expected, there were no primarily So. Ire Madden, Cassidy, Sullivan or Sheehan etc. Via the Tithes, the first apparent Catholic McKenzie in Ire, a John McKenzie b.c 1783 in Sligo followed by a John McKenzie b.c. 1824 in Quinn, Co. Clare. In the Ire 1831 Aghadowey, Derry census, 1 Daniel McKensey is listed. Via Griffiths records, one Daniel McKenzie (DM) has been identified in each Cos. Derry (Magherafelt, Leckagh), Tyrone (Donaghmore, Mullaughmore), Mayo (Crossmolina) & Fermanagh (Derrybrusk, Ballyreagh). Other Fermanagh McKenzie family Derryvullan Irvinestown & Tempo. One DM listed in Co. Antrim 1842 Belfast directory as a pub owner living at Donegal Quay. No DM's found in Tithes and the surname McKenzie were Tyrone 30, Antrim 7, Down 2 & Derry 1. Dual surname (McKenzie / Miller) are as follows : Tyrone 18, Belfast 12, Derry 9, Antrim 8, Sligo 4, Down 3, Dublin 3 with 1 each in Fermanagh, Monahan, Laois. Via LDS IGI, one DM each identified in Cos. Donegal, Sligo, Kerry & Limerick. A total of 7 documented DM's in all and as expected all in No. Ire with 4 in Ulster. There are probably a few more DM's, just too poor to be listed on any records. From 1875 to 1908 in the US there is no given name pattern in my McKenzie line that follow Scot or Ire naming pattern. The bad news is ... some will say that one can not trace / find common or average people before 1820. Maybe true for Catholics but, the good news is that this is not true, particularly for Protestants. Protestants are far more likely to be named in some unusual records that they did manage to keep in Ireland before church records. One needs to learn how to find and use these records. First, you need to already have some info on your ancestor. Surnames do not only originated in one place and migrate from there. This is especially true with Me surnames. Secondly, for pre-1860 records, particularly Catholic, one needs to depend heavily on the net and genealogy list, & individuals interaction / interchange, as well as, baptismal records to obtain very difficult brickwall 18th - 19th century data. The best path is via brickwall roll call summaries with key individuals, surnames, places of origin, religion(s), dates with postings at regular intervals. Religion Suggest Protestant Suggest Catholic ------------------------- ----------------------- o McKenzie surname more likely o Daniel's c. 1846 m., not listed as Protestant of Scot. origin. Protestant at GRONI. o Miller surname more likely o John b. Aug.1848 of Ire, m. Katie Protestant of German, English Madden of Ire (single boarder) via a origin. Cath. Mass less than 2 yrs after arriving in Boston. o James b.c. 1848-52 of Ire, m. Mary Cassidy of Ire (single boarder) via Cath. Mass 1874 in Eng. o All 6 US b. McKenzie's 1875-1908 as well as all 1908-2002 were b., m. & d. in Cath. Church and utilized Cath. Homes for children & elderly during early 1900's. o George b. c. 1887 Eng, m. US Cath. Mass 1908 less than 1 yr. after arriving in Boston.