Hi folks, here's repeat of the Irish Quaker post in the archives as requested by a list member. Linda Merle IDate: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:11:27 -0700 From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <200408091311.AA13500560@mail.fea.net> Subject: Irish Quaker Records Hi folks, I have spent some time trying to figure out how to find three key things: 1. Indexes to Irish Quaker records 2. Quaker Irish Records 3. Access to the above IN THE USA. Then of course, I want to get my grubby hands on any actual records where the surname occurs -- IN THE USA. The good news is I HAVE DONE THIS. Hurray!! I'll put some results here then improve them and put them on our website. Maybe people can add in comments or ask questions that I can try to find an answer to before we 'go there'. Before I start YES I know about the Hicksites. You always have to say that before saying much beyond "Quaker" or someone emails you a little lecture about the Hicksites (etc, etc). Thanks but, yes, I DO know about them. Save your carpal tunnel for my next subject <grin>. The details of some of this are in Falley "Irish and Scotch Irish Ancestral Research". This two volume work is the Bible of Irish genealogy. If you want to know anything, check it. However like the Bible, it is old and in its case, a bit out of date. Records "move" and new indexes are created. So! moving on.... before you start, you need to understand that Irish Quaker records are stored in TWO places, historically. There's the Ulster Friends records, on film at PRONI (www.proni.nics.uk -- Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. If I use more abreviations, try www.google.com to research them. It's training in how to do research and that's how you learn to do it: by doing it) and Dublin at the National Library (now called the National Archives, I believe). Only one set of registers from the Ulster Friends is in Dublin since we can't have perfection..... The Ulster Friends Records: The Public Records of Northern Ireland filmed the Ulster records and then indexed them. This index is included in the Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Records 1951-1953 (pp 29-309). To use this index you must find a copy. USA Availablity: LDS has a copy on microfilm: FHL BRITISH Film 888989. Swarthmore in Swarthmore, PA, a major Quaker repository, also has a copy. Having found a copy, you check the index for the surname of interest as well as all possible variants. The results will be something like: McCamish, Horatio Lurgan, 1702 . It doesnt say what kind of record that the surname is in: birth, death, marriage registers or records, monthly meetings, wills. The index contains the names of all individuals in the Friends weddings. All attendees of these weddings is listed as a witness. National Library of Ireland (Dublin): Earlier records before 1859 are NOT included in this index. US Availability: It is at Swarthmore. It is in LDS entitled "Ttranscripts of the national register of the Society of Friends, 1859-1949, Author: Society of Friends Contents: Births, 1859-1949 -- Marriages, 1859-1949 -- Deaths, 1859-1909 -- Yearly meeting register of deaths, 1909-1949 FHL BRITISH Film 571399 So that COVERS IT. By ordering TWO FILM, you can search the Quaker records of Ireland. To view the records themselves, you'll want to order the film from LDS or go to Swarthmore. There's another index that indexes the Quaker records in LDS which TO ME look like the Dublin collection. If that is so, then the Jones Index indexes ALL of the Dublin collection, not just the ones in 1859 and later. Jones index to Quaker births, marriages & deaths in Ireland's Monthly Meetings, ca. 1606-1872 is in LDS. The author is Society of Friends. The notes indicate it is a surname index to Quakers who appear in the vital records of the Monthly Meetings that are on microfilm at the Family History Library, Salt Lake City. FHL BRITISH Film 1559454 Item 10. The Irish Quaker records filmed by LDS are labeled as Society of Friends, Ireland, register transcripts of monthly meetings, 1605-1872: FHL BRITISH Film 571395 Carlow Monthly Meeting (Co. Carlow): Births 1607-1859; Marriages 1649-1847; Deaths 1655-1860. Cork Monthly Meeting (Co. Cork): Births 1625-1860; Marriages 1679-1860; Deaths 1664-1860; Dublin Monthly Meeting (Co. Dublin): Births 1606-1861; Marriages 1631-1872; Deaths 1647-1860 (A-S). FHL BRITISH Film 571396 Dublin Monthly meeting (cont.): Deaths 1647-1860 (S-Y). Edenderry Monthly Meeting (Co. Offaly/Kings): Births 1612-1846; Marriages 1652-1810; Deaths 1680-1860. Grange Monthly Meeting (Co. Tyrone): Births 1653-1861; Marriages 1678-1854; Deaths 1730-1858. Lisburn Monthly Meeting (Cos. Antrim & Down): Births 1719-1858; Marriages 1717-1858; Deaths 1738-1858. Limerick Monthly Meeting (Co. Limerick): Births 1623-1862; Marriages 1652-1863; Deaths 1619-1862. Lurgan Monthly Meeting (Co. Armagh): Births 1607-1862; Marriages 1634-1854; Deaths 1658-1862. Moate Monthly Meeting (Co. Westmeath): Births 1605-1859; Marriages 1647-1840; Deaths 1660-1858. FHL BRITISH Film 571397 Mountmellick Monthly Meeting (Co. Leix/Queens): Births 1613-1860; Marriages 1650-1860; Deaths 1648-1860. Rich Hill Monthly Meeting (Co. Armagh): Births 1675-1862; Marriages 1607-1857; Deaths 1681-1862. FHL BRITISH Film 571398 Tipperary Monthly Meeting (Co. Tipperary): Births ca.1616-1857; Marriages ca.1649-1856; Deaths, ca.1657-1859. Waterford Monthly Meeting (Co. Waterford): Births, ca.1624-1862; Marriages, ca.1650-1860; Deaths, ca.1656-1860. Wexford Monthly Meeting (Co. Wexford): Births, ca.1646-1858; Marriages, ca.1678-1862; Deaths, ca.1653-1857. Wicklow Monthly Meeting (Co. Wicklow): Births, ca.1627-1811; Marriages, 1637-1799; Deaths. ca.1663-1806. Youghal Monthly Meeting (Co. Cork): Births, ca.1661-1839; Marriages, ca.1652-1825; Deaths, ca.1675-1839. These appear to be what is in Dublin, not Belfast. I'm still trying to see if the Ulster Friends records are in LDS. Can anyone confirm or deny? They were filmed onto 4 film by PRONI and those 4 film are in Swarthmore. I have viewed them in Swarthmore. Question I have is are they anywhere else? (Yes, know about the Hicksites and other variants. Thanks for your concern. Good luck with the carpal tunnel) Linda Merle Linda Merle Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:11:27 -0700 Hi folks, I have spent some time trying to figure out how to find three key things: 1. Indexes to Irish Quaker records 2. Quaker Irish Records 3. Access to the above IN THE USA. Then of course, I want to get my grubby hands on any actual records where the surname occurs -- IN THE USA. The good news is I HAVE DONE THIS. Hurray!! I'll put some results here then improve them and put them on our website. Maybe people can add in comments or ask questions that I can try to find an answer to before we 'go there'. Before I start YES I know about the Hicksites. You always have to say that before saying much beyond "Quaker" or someone emails you a little lecture about the Hicksites (etc, etc). Thanks but, yes, I DO know about them. Save your carpal tunnel for my next subject <grin>. The details of some of this are in Falley "Irish and Scotch Irish Ancestral Research". This two volume work is the Bible of Irish genealogy. If you want to know anything, check it. However like the Bible, it is old and in its case, a bit out of date. Records "move" and new indexes are created. So! moving on.... before you start, you need to understand that Irish Quaker records are stored in TWO places, historically. There's the Ulster Friends records, on film at PRONI (www.proni.nics.uk -- Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. If I use more abreviations, try www.google.com to research them. It's training in how to do research and that's how you learn to do it: by doing it) and Dublin at the National Library (now called the National Archives, I believe). Only one set of registers from the Ulster Friends is in Dublin since we can't have perfection..... The Ulster Friends Records: The Public Records of Northern Ireland filmed the Ulster records and then indexed them. This index is included in the Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Records 1951-1953 (pp 29-309). To use this index you must find a copy. USA Availablity: LDS has a copy on microfilm: FHL BRITISH Film 888989. Swarthmore in Swarthmore, PA, a major Quaker repository, also has a copy. Having found a copy, you check the index for the surname of interest as well as all possible variants. The results will be something like: McCamish, Horatio Lurgan, 1702 . It doesnt say what kind of record that the surname is in: birth, death, marriage registers or records, monthly meetings, wills. The index contains the names of all individuals in the Friends weddings. All attendees of these weddings is listed as a witness. National Library of Ireland (Dublin): Earlier records before 1859 are NOT included in this index. US Availability: It is at Swarthmore. It is in LDS entitled "Ttranscripts of the national register of the Society of Friends, 1859-1949, Author: Society of Friends Contents: Births, 1859-1949 -- Marriages, 1859-1949 -- Deaths, 1859-1909 -- Yearly meeting register of deaths, 1909-1949 FHL BRITISH Film 571399 So that COVERS IT. By ordering TWO FILM, you can search the Quaker records of Ireland. To view the records themselves, you'll want to order the film from LDS or go to Swarthmore. There's another index that indexes the Quaker records in LDS which TO ME look like the Dublin collection. If that is so, then the Jones Index indexes ALL of the Dublin collection, not just the ones in 1859 and later. Jones index to Quaker births, marriages & deaths in Ireland's Monthly Meetings, ca. 1606-1872 is in LDS. The author is Society of Friends. The notes indicate it is a surname index to Quakers who appear in the vital records of the Monthly Meetings that are on microfilm at the Family History Library, Salt Lake City. FHL BRITISH Film 1559454 Item 10. The Irish Quaker records filmed by LDS are labeled as Society of Friends, Ireland, register transcripts of monthly meetings, 1605-1872: FHL BRITISH Film 571395 Carlow Monthly Meeting (Co. Carlow): Births 1607-1859; Marriages 1649-1847; Deaths 1655-1860. Cork Monthly Meeting (Co. Cork): Births 1625-1860; Marriages 1679-1860; Deaths 1664-1860; Dublin Monthly Meeting (Co. Dublin): Births 1606-1861; Marriages 1631-1872; Deaths 1647-1860 (A-S). FHL BRITISH Film 571396 Dublin Monthly meeting (cont.): Deaths 1647-1860 (S-Y). Edenderry Monthly Meeting (Co. Offaly/Kings): Births 1612-1846; Marriages 1652-1810; Deaths 1680-1860. Grange Monthly Meeting (Co. Tyrone): Births 1653-1861; Marriages 1678-1854; Deaths 1730-1858. Lisburn Monthly Meeting (Cos. Antrim & Down): Births 1719-1858; Marriages 1717-1858; Deaths 1738-1858. Limerick Monthly Meeting (Co. Limerick): Births 1623-1862; Marriages 1652-1863; Deaths 1619-1862. Lurgan Monthly Meeting (Co. Armagh): Births 1607-1862; Marriages 1634-1854; Deaths 1658-1862. Moate Monthly Meeting (Co. Westmeath): Births 1605-1859; Marriages 1647-1840; Deaths 1660-1858. FHL BRITISH Film 571397 Mountmellick Monthly Meeting (Co. Leix/Queens): Births 1613-1860; Marriages 1650-1860; Deaths 1648-1860. Rich Hill Monthly Meeting (Co. Armagh): Births 1675-1862; Marriages 1607-1857; Deaths 1681-1862. FHL BRITISH Film 571398 Tipperary Monthly Meeting (Co. Tipperary): Births ca.1616-1857; Marriages ca.1649-1856; Deaths, ca.1657-1859. Waterford Monthly Meeting (Co. Waterford): Births, ca.1624-1862; Marriages, ca.1650-1860; Deaths, ca.1656-1860. Wexford Monthly Meeting (Co. Wexford): Births, ca.1646-1858; Marriages, ca.1678-1862; Deaths, ca.1653-1857. Wicklow Monthly Meeting (Co. Wicklow): Births, ca.1627-1811; Marriages, 1637-1799; Deaths. ca.1663-1806. Youghal Monthly Meeting (Co. Cork): Births, ca.1661-1839; Marriages, ca.1652-1825; Deaths, ca.1675-1839. These appear to be what is in Dublin, not Belfast. I'm still trying to see if the Ulster Friends records are in LDS. Can anyone confirm or deny? They were filmed onto 4 film by PRONI and those 4 film are in Swarthmore. I have viewed them in Swarthmore. Question I have is are they anywhere else? (Yes, know about the Hicksites and other variants. Thanks for your concern.) Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net