There is a text, "In Search of the Forlorn Hope", by John M. Kitzmiller II, which is dedicated to answering this question, but I only have Vol I, which seems to go only to the early 1800s. Presumably Vol II will have the answer. As for the comment that ">> Just about everyone in Scotland has Irish ancestors, (the Irish granny is >> a cliche). ", Foster has the comment that "The Irish emigration to >> Scotland had its own colouration. The long tradition of seasonal >> migration set up a connection that rapidly became permanent; by 1851, 6.7 >> per cent of the entire Scots population was Irish-born, a percentage that >> rose to over 18 per cent in Dundee and Glasgow. " so there was certainly >> plenty of movement in that direction Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD ANDREWS" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] New to list > Thanks Charlie, I should have said that. > I did a bit of research and there is an Irish-Scots list, though it lately > doesnt seem to have been very busy. I am going to join when I am back with > a proper connection > There is a Yahoo list Britishregiments which is very good at answering > questions about the whereabouts of regiments, though don't explicitly say > that it is a genealogical question as they are not officially into > genealogy > Edward > > Charles Clark <Charles.Clark@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > The only comment that I can add to this excellent essay from Edward is the > suggestion that as an army wife, your gr gr grandmother may (perhaps) have > accompanied her husband from the area where he was recruited in Ireland > (the > British army peaked in the 1850s, I believe, at about 55% Irish, if I > recall > correctly from Foster's Modern Ireland, which I probably don't) to an area > where his regiment was serving. Was there a British army regiment with > recruitment in Ireland stationed near Duns in 1858? > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD ANDREWS" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] New to list > > >> Dear Yvonne, >> Sorry for the delay in replying to you, but I am away from home and today >> is the first time I've had access to a good connection. >> The question that you have asked is not one that this list is really >> geared up to answer, and I don't know if there is a list that is. >> Scotch-Irish is a concept of looking at a group of people who went to >> America, mainly, but not exclusively in the eighteenth century. At some >> stage their ancestors had moved to Ireland from Britain, traditionally >> Scotland, but also from England. I happen to be from a part of the Tribe, >> who didn't make the leap to America. I believe that my ancestors is >> Scottish - why? Because I am a Presbyterian. It is not infallible, but it >> is a good guide. A lot of the work in this group is of little interest to >> me as they are very, very good at that additional layer of research about >> where they went in early America. >> Now Ulster (a shortcut name for the part of Ireland where most of the >> Scots Irish operated which is why the stay in Ireland people like me are >> often called the Ulster Scots) genealogy is different to that of the rest >> of Ireland because the land holding was done differently, and the Church >> records (Presbyterian and sometimes Covenanting) are different. >> While it is a general ambition of the S-I to trace their ancestors back >> to >> Scotland they are generally looking for people a long time ago, for whom >> they have to use special techniques - about which they generally know a >> lot. The actual work in Scotland is however a different technique as >> generally all you can do is to get them back to an area in Scotland. >> What this list is not geared up to do is to do very much for what you >> could call the Irish Scots. People from Ireland who have moved to >> Scotland. >> Just about everyone in Scotland has Irish ancestors, (the Irish granny is >> a cliche). Most of the ancestors moved from Ireland in the 19th Century, >> mainly between 1840 and 1880. They were generally economic refugees from >> the distress which there was associated with the Irish famine of 1845 - >> 1850, and the subsequent effects. They were also substantially Roman >> Catholic in belief and culture. >> However many of these people are also represented by the people who >> pre-famine, as well as post famine came over to work as agricultural >> labourers often in places like the Lothians and Berwickshire (actually up >> and down the East Coast generally) >> However as an added complication there were Protestant Ulster Scots who >> went to work in Scotland and who for obvious reasons pretty well >> disappeared in a generation, reabsorbed into what they saw as "their >> culture". Many of them were skilled Engineers from the Shipyards in >> Belfast or other engineering concerns. >> I don't know if there is a roots-web list which addresses people from >> Ireland in Scotland. If there isn't, there really should be one. >> I am in the interesting position of being an Ulster Scot, who now lives >> in >> Scotland, actually in Haddington which is just over the Lammermuir Hills >> from Duns. >> I hope that I've helped you about what is a complicated and misleading >> topic for those who are looking for help. >> Edward Andrews >> Hello List, >> >> I am trying to find out about an Irish ancestor who lived in Duns, >> Berwickshire, Scotland from approximately 1858 until her death in 1895 >> aged 75. (I am taking it to be 1858 as her daughter Eliza was born in >> Duns >> that year). My gr gr grandmother's name was Mary CHRISTIE (born Ireland >> in >> 1820) she married Hugh DILLON (birth unknown). Don't know where in >> Ireland, sorry!! >> >> Is there a way of finding out when and where abouts in Ireland they moved >> from. CHRISTIE and DILLON seem such common names and I can't seem to >> pinpoint anything pre Duns. On Mary's death certificate it stated that >> Hugh DILLON (deceased) was a soldier. >> >> Any help, information or a point in the right direction would be >> fantastic. >> >> Regards >> Yvonne >> >> > >