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    1. Re: [Sc-Ir] Cork and the Scotch-Irish?
    2. Hi Charles, have you read your Leyburn or those other books we mentioned? (Leyburn wrote a social history on the Scotch-irish). You can also look at our webpages (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle where there is an overview of the history of the so called Scotch-Irish and search with google. All of these will tell you the same thing: NO! Of course it's contingent by what you mean by "Scotch Irish". For an analysis of this term, check the above sources. We address it on the front page of our website. If you read it you'll find out that (obviously <grin>!) you asking if there was a large colony of Proddies, largely Presbyterians, living in Cork. A map will tell you that: NO! Scotland is next to Ulster. However Cork is the other end of Ireland. A long trek. It is true that Cromwell considered lugging their butts from Ulster (where he feared they fomented with their cuzzes over the Sheugh) to Tipperary, but he gave that idea up since, well, the Ulster Scots were a breed apart. Cromwell, to them, possessed a critical attribute that won their undivided (well...at least semi undivided) loyality: he was a Prod. Ireland is not Scotland, he learned. If you change your question to "Was there a crowd of Proddies living in Cork?" the answer is YES! There WAS! Not a huge crowd, but a sizable lot. They were not often of Scottish descent. More likely English, Irish, and German. They were also not Presbyterian (largely) but Church of Ireland and most significantly Quaker. Perhaps you slept through your Pennsylvania History class in 5th grade, like me <grin>, where maybe we would have learned that William Penn was himself a Quaker in Cork. He was also a jailbird in Cork, so he probably didn't think of it too fondly. He of course founded a free colony in the new world and gave a home to all those Quakers in Cork as well as anyone else who wanted to come. Many left before the Scotch Irish began to evacuate Ulster. In fact another sizable population of Proddies left Ireland before us: the Germans. They founded the American Methodist church in 1706. Figuring out where they were in Ireland is a little more complicated. I'd have to get a book of the shelf but my dog has crossed legs...... The things that's important to remember are: 1 There were Protestants all over Ireland. 2 They left 3 Over here we have no names for Flemmings who settled near Dublin or German Methodists from Ireland or Church of Ireland Irish, Irish whose gggggranddad was a soldier in Cromwell's army but whose ancestors married lots of Irish gals, younger sons of nobility looking for a cash cow in the new world, etc... but all them types of people, and more, left Ireland, many before the Scotch Irish. Over here, they assimilated into some group. The Irish quakers we call "Quakers"! The ones who settled in the tidewaters of Virginia we call "Virginia Planters". The ones who froze to a rock in Maine, we call "Yankees". And the ones who took the superhighway south of Cumberland, through the valleys to the back country of Virginia and the Carolinas we call "Scotch Irish". One place where the history of the larger groups is discussed as well as where to find records on them is Falley "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research". Devotes a chapter each to the Quakers, the Methodists, of course the Presbyterians, the Church of Irelanders, Baptists, etc etc. Several books have been written on Irish Quakers and a couple are on line at ancestry, so you can rather quickly to a 101, single-brain cell search for your man. However if you want to do a real search, it requires a visit to Swarthmore. My visit there resolved a number of mysteries. It also has film of both an index to and the actual records of Quakers in Ireland. They are terrible to read....Oi!! Share with us your surname. Maybe we can give you an idea about where it might be from. Linda Merle -------------- Original message -------------- From: charles <jitsu93@yahoo.com> > Was there any large Scotch-Irish emigration from Co. Cork in the 1700s to the > American Colonies? > > There was a Scotch-Irish colony at Cork, (Maine) in the early 1720s that only > lasted about two or three years before being overrun. Any connection to Co. Cork > Ireland? > > thanks, Charles >

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