Scundered verb found out or discovered, usually whilst trying to do something of debateable legality, eg. "see ye got scundered working the dole..." phrases uttered and spluttered by the perplexing people you may meet in Northern Ireland. http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/gmhp/dictionary/dictionary_s.shtml ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan" <alan@ulster-scots.co.uk> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Book Review- CARSON: The Man Who Divided Ireland > Hugh H. Macartney wrote: > >> Having grown up in Ulster and lived in various areas I never heard the >> word, "scundered". The expression is to "take a scunner" at something you >> find loathsome or unpleasant. The same word is used in Scottish dialect >> and is thought to derive from the Middle English word, "scurn" meaning >> shrink or to shrink from. >> Hugh Macartney > > > > Yes the same word. In large parts of Ulster it is scunnered and here in > Tyrone there is a distinct d in the pronunciation giving scundered. > A person can be a scunner or scunder but here it is also used "I am > absolutely sundered". > I have heard it is also used in parts of Canada alongside "reddding out" > or "redding up the place" - cleaning up / tidying up > > > >> Alan wrote: >> >>> May 29, 2005 >>> >>> Biography: Carson by Geoffrey Lewis >>> REVIEWED BY RUTH DUDLEY EDWARDS >>> >>> CARSON: The Man Who Divided Ireland >>> by Geoffrey Lewis >>> Hambledon and London £19.99 pp277 >>> >>> There is a timelessness about Northern Ireland. The Rev Ian Paisley, >>> who has just succeeded David Trimble as the leading voice of Ulster >>> unionism, >>> epitomises a centuries-old tradition of roaring clergy who repel the >>> British government as much as the southern Irish. A century ago, Arthur >>> Balfour, the great >>> Conservative statesman and Edward Carson's mentor, could no more abide >>> Ulster Protestants than these days can the majority of new Labour. >>> Peter Hain, the new secretary of state for Ulster, already looks like a >>> chap who wishes he >>> had stayed safely in his Tardis instead of straying into what sounds >>> like the 17th century. >>> >>> Yet there have always been outsiders who saw the merits of these flinty, >>> disciplined, straight-talking people, not least those Americans who >>> recognise what they owe to the work ethic and raw courage of >>> innumerable immigrant >>> Presbyterian Ulster-Scots who fought valiantly on the frontiers and in >>> the war of independence. Among those admirers closer to home were two >>> romantics: >>> Rudyard Kipling (who wrote elegiacally at the time of the home-rule >>> controversy of >>> the betrayal of loyal Ulster) and Carson. >>> >>> It is one of the many paradoxes of Carson's life that he was born and >>> brought up in Dublin of Scottish and southern Anglo-Irish stock, made >>> his career in the south and in London, yet became the greatest of all >>> the heroes in the >>> Ulster Protestant pantheon. An Irish patriot, he was passionately >>> devoted to the Union. And although he hated the very idea of partition, >>> he became >>> indeed (as the book's subtitle emphasises) the driving force behind the >>> division of Ireland. He is venerated by bigots such as Paisley, yet >>> there was nothing >>> sectarian about him. >>> >>> Full article at the link below....... >>> >>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,2-534-1626735,00.html >>> -- >>> >>> Faugh A Ballagh >>> >>> Lámh Dhearg Abú >>> >>> *Tha Hamely Tongue:-* >>> Houl yer whist - keep quiet / don`t butt in >>> Ye hallion - you tearaway >>> Skreigh o day - crack of dawn / day >>> Scundered - fed up >>> >>> <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1 >>> <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1>> >>> > > > -- > > Faugh A Ballagh > > Lámh Dhearg Abú > > *Tha Hamely Tongue:-* > Houl yer whist - keep quiet / don`t butt in > Ye hallion - you tearaway > Skreigh o day - crack of dawn / day > Scundered - fed up > > > <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1> > > >

RBradley wrote: > Scundered verb found out or discovered, usually whilst trying to > do something of debateable legality, eg. "see ye got scundered working > the dole..." > > phrases uttered and spluttered by the perplexing people you may meet > in Northern Ireland. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/gmhp/dictionary/dictionary_s.shtml Never heard it being used like that before at all. Ulster-Scots Voices http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/voices/atilazed/s.shtml *Scunner*: A feeling of loathing. 'She took a right scunner at him from the very start.' *Scundered*: Embarrassed, mortified. 'I was completely scundered when he walked in on me like that'. -- Faugh A Ballagh Lámh Dhearg Abú *Tha Hamely Tongue:-* Houl yer whist - keep quiet / don`t butt in Ye hallion - you tearaway Skreigh o day - crack of dawn / day Scundered - fed up <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1>