Hi Laurie, >I know the name is Scots Irish, as my grandmother was adamant about this, but have been unable to find much info on the name in Ireland or Scotland. ?? Actually almost any of these Mc names can be either or more likely both. Since Scotland and Ireland are at one point 12 miles apart anything in the one can be in the other. I wonder if many years your grandmother spent studying records? I hate to tell ya, please forgive, but grandmothers aren't always right. She gave you a clue. Her adamancy was the result of her ethnicity. Most like she had no documents proving where the family came and had done no research. So she is not an authoritative source but it's a strong clue. > I do find the name listed in Griffith's, and was wondering if >you could look it up in the sources that you have been citing >from this week. If you check IGI you will find it in Scotland as well. Twelve miles is not far. Here's some of IGI: 98. Aron <MACREARY> - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: <Male> Birth: 21 DEC 1633 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland 99. ABBEY JANE MC CREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 26 SEP 1870 , Armagh, Ireland 100. Adam MCcrery - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: About 1610 Earldom Of Kildare, , Down, Ireland 101. ADAM MCCREARY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 25 OCT 1866 0128, Galgorm, Antrim, Ireland 102. Adalade Caroline Lillie McCreery - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 04 FEB 1878 , Antrim, Ireland 103. AGNES MC CRIRIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Marriage: 23 AUG 1692 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 104. AGNES M'CRERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 01 JUL 1722 Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland 105. Agnes MC CREARY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 1728 , , Ireland 106. AGNES MC CRERIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 MAR 1735 Presbyterian, Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland 107. Agnas MCCREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1737 Barr By Girvan,Ayrshire, Strathclyde, Lanark, Scotland 108. AGNAS MCCREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1737 Barr By Girvan, Ayr, Scotland 109. AGNES MCCRERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 1740 Whithorn, Wigtown, Scotland 110. AGNES MC CRERIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 07 DEC 1752 Carnmoney Presbyterian, Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland See what I mean??? Twelve miles. Black "Surnames of Scotland" is a scientific book. If you read the front matter (book IS in a library near you; it's all over), you will learn the methodology he used to compile his book. Basically he consulted written records. His book identifies the source of the name as well as the place. It does not speculate on 'septs'. Esp. in Scotland it's highly likely that even highlanders are not related to the clan whose surname they bear. That's because when a new head-clan 'took over' people changed their 'surname' to the new clan. Other times people adopted the name of the protector clan to signify that they were under its protection. Again, read the front essay in this book. >en under the assumption that our sept was part of the MacQuarrie Clan in the Western Isles of Scotland. Can you shed any light on this? Any and all information would be most gratefully appreciated!! No! Can't! This isn't a Scottish list -- It's Irish -- that big green island to the west. So for Scottish clans you'll have to look elsewhere. Most Scots never had clans as well, so maybe your's didn't (but if you pay some $$$ you can). As you can see by IGI above, the surname is found in both Scotland and Ireland, not surprisingly. MacLysaght identifies it as the same name I was about to -- Mac Ruidhri (often McRory), a County Tyrone sept. With the Irish septs you are more likely to actually have the blood of the sept according to the sources I've read. The name means Rory's son. There was more than one Rory on the planet. Bell does cover MacCrory and says that it sprang up "in many areas as a simple patronymic" that stuck! Worse, some became Rogers . Even in 1900 Roger was being used interchangabley with several variants around Cavan. He ID's TWO septs in Ulster, a branch of Clan Colla that was in Tyrone but moved to Derry and erenaghts of Machaire Croise in Fermanagh, probably a branch of the Maguires. So he's one over MacLysaght. He says that people with the name in McDonald areas (Antrim) most likely came with them from Scotland as there was a sept of Clan Donald that had a variant of your name. The vowels change VERY fast so the O and E different doesn't matter when researching these surnames. That's covered in Black's essay too. It's very good but he doesn't indulge in speculations on clans but sticks with written records that record the surname's occurance. Often though your first place to check would be a place where the name was pronounced somewhat close to yours. Also if you haven't checked teh 1850 census, you should, as it asked where your grandparants were born. Maybe they were all born state side but that alone would allow you to estimate when they came and wherether you need to widen your variant- search or look for locales in Ulster where the surname was used. I also wonder if it's a McGregor surname? Anyone know?? These names are SO hard to research. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Since we are talking about the McCreary family today does anyone know anything about who might be the parents of Charity McCreary b. 1761??? She married Evan Holt. Karon Dyer-Scoville-Willson-Luckey -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 1:52 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] McCreary Surname Hi Laurie, >I know the name is Scots Irish, as my grandmother was adamant about this, but have been unable to find much info on the name in Ireland or Scotland. ?? Actually almost any of these Mc names can be either or more likely both. Since Scotland and Ireland are at one point 12 miles apart anything in the one can be in the other. I wonder if many years your grandmother spent studying records? I hate to tell ya, please forgive, but grandmothers aren't always right. She gave you a clue. Her adamancy was the result of her ethnicity. Most like she had no documents proving where the family came and had done no research. So she is not an authoritative source but it's a strong clue. > I do find the name listed in Griffith's, and was wondering if >you could look it up in the sources that you have been citing >from this week. If you check IGI you will find it in Scotland as well. Twelve miles is not far. Here's some of IGI: 98. Aron <MACREARY> - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: <Male> Birth: 21 DEC 1633 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland 99. ABBEY JANE MC CREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 26 SEP 1870 , Armagh, Ireland 100. Adam MCcrery - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: About 1610 Earldom Of Kildare, , Down, Ireland 101. ADAM MCCREARY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: 25 OCT 1866 0128, Galgorm, Antrim, Ireland 102. Adalade Caroline Lillie McCreery - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 04 FEB 1878 , Antrim, Ireland 103. AGNES MC CRIRIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Marriage: 23 AUG 1692 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland 104. AGNES M'CRERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 01 JUL 1722 Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland 105. Agnes MC CREARY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Birth: 1728 , , Ireland 106. AGNES MC CRERIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 MAR 1735 Presbyterian, Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland 107. Agnas MCCREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1737 Barr By Girvan,Ayrshire, Strathclyde, Lanark, Scotland 108. AGNAS MCCREERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 30 JAN 1737 Barr By Girvan, Ayr, Scotland 109. AGNES MCCRERY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 1740 Whithorn, Wigtown, Scotland 110. AGNES MC CRERIE - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 07 DEC 1752 Carnmoney Presbyterian, Carnmoney, Antrim, Ireland See what I mean??? Twelve miles. Black "Surnames of Scotland" is a scientific book. If you read the front matter (book IS in a library near you; it's all over), you will learn the methodology he used to compile his book. Basically he consulted written records. His book identifies the source of the name as well as the place. It does not speculate on 'septs'. Esp. in Scotland it's highly likely that even highlanders are not related to the clan whose surname they bear. That's because when a new head-clan 'took over' people changed their 'surname' to the new clan. Other times people adopted the name of the protector clan to signify that they were under its protection. Again, read the front essay in this book. >en under the assumption that our sept was part of the MacQuarrie Clan in the Western Isles of Scotland. Can you shed any light on this? Any and all information would be most gratefully appreciated!! No! Can't! This isn't a Scottish list -- It's Irish -- that big green island to the west. So for Scottish clans you'll have to look elsewhere. Most Scots never had clans as well, so maybe your's didn't (but if you pay some $$$ you can). As you can see by IGI above, the surname is found in both Scotland and Ireland, not surprisingly. MacLysaght identifies it as the same name I was about to -- Mac Ruidhri (often McRory), a County Tyrone sept. With the Irish septs you are more likely to actually have the blood of the sept according to the sources I've read. The name means Rory's son. There was more than one Rory on the planet. Bell does cover MacCrory and says that it sprang up "in many areas as a simple patronymic" that stuck! Worse, some became Rogers . Even in 1900 Roger was being used interchangabley with several variants around Cavan. He ID's TWO septs in Ulster, a branch of Clan Colla that was in Tyrone but moved to Derry and erenaghts of Machaire Croise in Fermanagh, probably a branch of the Maguires. So he's one over MacLysaght. He says that people with the name in McDonald areas (Antrim) most likely came with them from Scotland as there was a sept of Clan Donald that had a variant of your name. The vowels change VERY fast so the O and E different doesn't matter when researching these surnames. That's covered in Black's essay too. It's very good but he doesn't indulge in speculations on clans but sticks with written records that record the surname's occurance. Often though your first place to check would be a place where the name was pronounced somewhat close to yours. Also if you haven't checked teh 1850 census, you should, as it asked where your grandparants were born. Maybe they were all born state side but that alone would allow you to estimate when they came and wherether you need to widen your variant- search or look for locales in Ulster where the surname was used. I also wonder if it's a McGregor surname? Anyone know?? These names are SO hard to research. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net