Oh dear - below I said they left in 1820. It was a typo! They left in 1840. Sorry Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Hart Anthony" <cushkaren@gwi.net> To: <merle@mail.fea.net>; <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish Christmas Gifts > Thanks, Linda. My Irish Protestant (Presbyterian, we think) Ulster > ancestors (my grandfather's grandparents) left Co. Cavan and Co. Armagh in > 1820 and settled in, yes, Ontario, in a little farming town called > Bishop's Mills, south of Ottawa. Its entire name is Bishop's Mills, > Oxford-on-Rideau Township, Ontario, Canada. Their surname was Hart. > There were others of the same ilk there; one other family into which one > of mine married was Minish. Though my people apparently were not > involved, it was the time of the digging of the Rideau Canal. That > project attracted many Irish, and most of it was dug by "Irish." I don't > know if those diggers were Catholic or Protestant; they came, I suppose, > because it was known they could get work. > > So there's a bit of real info for you.... > > The most wonderful part of that tale is that, last summer, we visited the > area, asked around, and were pointed toward the "Hart log cabin" and the > "Minish log cabin." These were the homes built by my ancestors. We were > told that they built something much smaller to live in for about one year > while these more permanent structures were built. They were large, > identical, and solid, and one is lived in and loved now by a young family > who is refurbishing it. I was able to give that young couple a photo of > Maurice Hart (born in Canada Dec. 25, 1840, died September 7, 1928, the > son of the original settlers Samuel Hart and Rebecca Kelly Hart, ) and his > next door neighbor and then wife Catherine Minish (b. approx. 1845, died > March 26, 1911). Catherine Minish had grown up in their log cabin. A > wonderful memory. > > Karen Hart Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com>; "Karen Hart Anthony" > <cushkaren@gwi.net> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish Christmas Gifts > > >> Hi Karen, >> >> To learn the history of Scotch Irish settlements in Canada you would need >> to check with a history of Canada. I don't myself >> know. >> >> The history of the settlement of Canada is very different from >> the USA. Due to the black fly it was settled later. Partly too >> due to the policy of the British of discouraging settlements. >> >> I know some people moved up there after the Revolution -- >> they are called Loyalists. Some were of Ulster Scots origins. >> A large set of books documenting loyalists has been burnt into a CD and >> is on line at www.genealogy.com (to members). >> >> In addition to Protestant Irish from Ulster, Canada is the home of many, >> many Irish Protestants from outside of Ulster. I did read a book on the >> Irish of Ontario. Most of them were Methodists and NOT from Ulster. I >> believe they largely settled >> there in the early and mid 1800s. It has often been wondered >> where the once large and now completely forgotten Protestant 'minority of >> Ireland went. I believe they went to Ontario. >> >> Most Irish Protestants not in Ulster were not of Scottish >> descent but of English, Welsh, Irish, French, Flemish and German descent. >> (The same holds true for many Ulster >> Protestants, esp. those in counties settled by the English >> during the Plantation). >> >> The American Methodist church was founded by Irish Protestants >> of German descent who migrated in 1708 -- before the mass >> migration of Ulster Scots even began. >> >> Have you tried www.cyndislist.com ?? It would have a large >> section on Canada. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Karen Hart Anthony" <cushkaren@gwi.net> >> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:46:31 -0500 >> >>>Linda you say about Hanna "It also has lists of all known Scotch Irish >>>settlements in colonial America and their ministers, etc." What about >>>known >>>Scots-Irish settlements in Canada. Any ideas of how to learn about >>>those? >>>Karen >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >>>To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:22 PM >>>Subject: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish Christmas Gifts >>> >>> >>>> Hi folk, >>>> >>>> Perhaps we can help one another by suggesting books, etc, >>>> to read for Christmas that can help us understand our >>>> ancestors. >>>> >>>> In the USA one is Hanna "The Scotch-Irish". THis book is >>>> in most libraries and on CD. Parts are very dated but parts >>>> are excellent. It includes primary material from the >>>> settlement of Ulster so you can read this and form your >>>> own opinions. It also has lists of all known Scotch Irish >>>> settlements in colonial America and their ministers, etc. >>>> It's on line at Ancestry. Maybe for free !! (Check "Scots-Irish"). >>>> >>>> another one is the social history by Leyburn "The Scotch Irish". THis >>>> book >>>> is more more modern. It's chuck full of >>>> good info. >>>> >>>> An excellent american reference book is "The Source". >>>> >>>> The definitive work on Irish and Scotch Irish genealogy is >>>> Falley "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research". >>>> >>>> There is Ryan "Irish Records". >>>> >>>> Billy Kennedy's books are very good, such as "Faith and >>>> Freedom: The Scots-Irish in America". >>>> >>>> You can find these at www.amazon.com, www.genealogical.com, >>>> and www.ancestry.com . And 2nd hand book shops! Try >>>> www.froogle.com . >>>> >>>> ANyone else have suggestions?? >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________ >>>> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________ >> Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >