Hi Nelda, I am a Linage 5, you are right! No one that I know of has categorically proven that 'my' Frances Beatty who moved from Newburgh, NY to Western PA in the early 1800s is the son of Robert Beatty. I've spent some time researching this but haven't completed (so I've not given up hope!!): Jane Beatty's parents were Frances Beattie (Beatty) and Jane HALL, from Wallkill, New York. Frances's dad was Robert Beatty, probably the son of John Beatty and Elsie (from http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle/Family/index.htm#Beatty ). These folk were Reformed Presbyterians. The records of the RP congregation in Wallkill are sparce. Probably that's why he moved to Western PA -- large congregation there. He may have moved to lands originally granted to one of the Beatty cousins who received Depreciation Land grants from PA. As I said...not done yet with this research. Frances lived in PA all his life. He is not the Frances Beatty in your Carolina line. The other line has no lineage number from the Beatty Project (I am not a member and have no wish to be one). The line is entirely in Scotland and apparently came up from the borders in the early 1600s, moving northward every generation or so through east Lothian. IN the early 1800s they were in Haddington and then moved to Stirling, where they remained in Polmont. They were Free Kirk in the 1840s and so on. That line remained Free Kirk till they emigrated (as DALRYMPLEs) in 1893). My ancestor was a boatman on the canal. As my grannie was a Dalrymple, I know what it is like to look from Cromwells! Though...it is fun to visit Campbell booths at Scottish fairs and make a lot of suggestions.... they get REAL nervous <grin>. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:01:22 -0800 >Hi William and Linda, >This email I think actually goes more to Linda a I only joined this list >when I got her answer to you William, via PML. > >I also descend from the same Beatty family as Linda. There is a Beatty DNA >project at MTDNA.com (all spellings) I think we have 75 members tested? try: >Description >This group is established to organize and coordinate a project to test DNA >samples of males with Beaty (all spellings) surnames. The purpose of this >testing is to aid in the determination of ancestry and lineages. the mailing >list is at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GenMatch/ >If you want to learn more about this effort, go to the Beatty DNA Project at >http://www.beattydna.org/. > >Linda, Our Beatty lineage is at my website. But there is a blurp at >connections on the Beatty DNA website: url: >http://www.beattydna.org/Connections.html which you might find interesting. > >Please let me know what you think and Linda maybe we can compare lineages? > >Nelda > >Nelda's websites - Please visit >http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >Gilpin DNA Project member > >Source: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: >Hi William, > >Both my parents have BEATTIE lines. If you check the early >records of the Ulster Plantation that are in Hanna "Scotch-Irish", you will >see that in the Irish plantation of Cavan, >Precint of Tullaghgarvy, allocated to 'natives' -- ie Irish, >262 acres went to Henry Betagh, gentleman. The surname >of Beatty is, according to some, Irish in origin. Some >believe it is occupational from the Irish meaning public >vitualler. It is still found in Athlone in its Irish form. >Others believe it orginated in Meath. Most likely, since the >Scots also spoke Erse, it originated in any number of places >like other occupational surnames. > >So some Beatties in Ireland are Irish natives. The descendents >of Henry (above) lost their land in the Cromwellian or >Williamite settlement (I forget). They may well have stayed >on, nearby, say, in Monaghan. Donno..... > >One of my lines is Scottish -- never left, and the other >left Ayre, served in the Irish army in the mid 1600s, was an >officer in King WIlliam's army, received a land grant in >Antrim, it is believed, and definitely took to the ocean in >1729. The second wife of John was the sister of the grandfather >of Dewitt Clinton. One of John's children by Christina Clinton >was the future Rev Charles Clinton Beatty, the first missionary >west of the Alleghenies. Uncle Charlie attended the coronation >of King George in Engerland (his Clintons were English gentry >who once held the earldom of Lancaster) and died in Barbados, >converting the locals. > >I believe there is a Border clan DNA study (google) that may >be the fastest way to determine the origin of your Beatties. >Nonetheless as a double Beattie, I will welcome you to the >clan if you will help round up the Maxwells who took our land. > >I need to get my dad's DNA tested. We have an occupational >surname. Donno who we really 'are'!!! We lost our clan!!! >We have no identity.... Probably we'll do the border DNA >project as we're from Weardale, Co Durham. > >Linda Merle > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net