Greetings all In my father's family there would appear to be a definite naming pattern - all the first sons were called John, including my own father. Had I been a boy I was told by my parents I would have been called John also but they only had two daughters! My great-grandfather was John but his father was Arthur so, presumably, Arthur had an older brother John. Great-grandfather named his sons John, William, Arthur and Robert. William (my grandfather) called his only son John (my father), Arthur had two sons, Arthur and John, but, without dates, I do not know as yet which was the elder. Robert only had a daughter before he succombed at 29 years of age to pneumonia. On great-grandmother's side her father was John MAWHINNEY, his first son was also John but HIS son was Robert. Robert then had a son whom he called John!!! PHEW!!!! Cheers Pat Pat Banks Perth Western Australia Researching: MAGILL Co.Antrim MAWHINNEY Co. Antrim