Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots ancestors would as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been caught walking around in Washington DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares about the truth. The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have more room for the food. I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor brought it from Scotland: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors christianized the heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel proud! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! Maybe something here? http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. > > Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? > > What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). > > Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little bitmap? > > And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network for your heritage?) > > Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots ancestors would > as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been caught walking around in Washington > DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. > However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares about the truth. > > The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. > > So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have more room for the food. > > I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor brought it from Scotland: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm > > So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors christianized the > heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel proud! > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > Maybe something here? > > http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >> >> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >> >> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >> >> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little bitmap? >> >> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network for your heritage?) >> >> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

But my husbands Presbyterian relatives who moved from donegal to Scotland in 1912 used to say they were Scottish as being Irish was not seen as a good thing!!! Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:32, Penny Bonnar <[email protected]> wrote: > I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. >> There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the >> Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see immediately was >> an improvement. On the negative side the natives were unfriendly >> but on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The >> fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore >> them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots ancestors >> would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have >> been caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who >> cares about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a >> lot of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the >> bakeries are full of all kinds of breads you will find no where >> else in Ireland -- or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of >> the famous southern breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north >> coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If >> your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 >> years before, was still enjoying a lot of different breads -- >> that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will >> have more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish >> and not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's >> favorite goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, >> but I know the ancestor brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. >> If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they >> were either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after >> 1600. Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. >> If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish >> colony? Your ancestors christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. >> Feel proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't >>> work. Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on >>> the planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work >>> (that is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has >>> America got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently >>> too Scotch Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>> Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer >>> to network for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>> phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know >>> how the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

In my experience you are absolutely correct but I would suggest that there are several valid but different positions. a) The view of Protestant Scots Irish who returned to Scotland, when they arrived and how their view evolved after a period of assimilation. b) The view of Irish who came to Scotland, when they arrived and how their view evolved after a period of assimilation. c) The view of Protestant Scots Irish who migrated to the USA, when they arrived and how their view evolved after a period of assimilation. d) The view of Irish who migrated to the USA, when they arrived and how their view evolved after a period of assimilation. And there will be variations on the above depending upon education and whether or not people were involved in mixed marriages. I think most people on this list are tracing ancestors who moved from Ireland to the USA from Northern Ireland. I suspect you and I are in the minority who are tracing ancestors who moved from Ireland and Northern Ireland to Scotland. Regards John S. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnalangbank Sent: 08 March 2010 10:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! But my husbands Presbyterian relatives who moved from donegal to Scotland in 1912 used to say they were Scottish as being Irish was not seen as a good thing!!! Sent from my iPhone On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:32, Penny Bonnar <[email protected]> wrote: > I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. >> There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the >> Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see immediately was >> an improvement. On the negative side the natives were unfriendly >> but on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The >> fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore >> them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots ancestors >> would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have >> been caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who >> cares about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a >> lot of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the >> bakeries are full of all kinds of breads you will find no where >> else in Ireland -- or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of >> the famous southern breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north >> coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If >> your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 >> years before, was still enjoying a lot of different breads -- >> that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will >> have more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish >> and not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's >> favorite goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, >> but I know the ancestor brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. >> If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they >> were either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after >> 1600. Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. >> If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish >> colony? Your ancestors christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. >> Feel proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't >>> work. Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on >>> the planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work >>> (that is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has >>> America got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently >>> too Scotch Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>> Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer >>> to network for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>> phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know >>> how the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Really this is something which we should be discussing in the Culture list - As an Ulster Scot now living in Scotland I am very aware that I am not Scottish. I have some different attitudes, and in some cases different values from the Scots around me. As far as the Church is concerned, the PCI and the Kirk are quite different. Part of this is that early Irish Presbyterianism was influenced by English Congregationalism, and there were quite strong tensions between the Irish refugees who took refuge in, I think, Irvine during the time of the Black Oaths, and even the Covenanted Kirk. What had happened by 1912 was that the Protestants who were also Unionists were working hard on affirming a UK identity. I was very much brought up as being a Scot in exile. The Irish nationalists, right until the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement where it was decided that all the cultures of Northern Ireland were to be equally affirmed, very much tied in being Irish with Gaelic speaking Roman Catholicism. One of the funniest things about this is that the only area of Britain which is largely comfortable with the Theology of Ian Paisley. The irony is that the general language and in many places the language of preference for worship is Gaelic. The idea of the Ulster Scot / Scotch Irish was an affirmation of this separated state. The Scotch Irish in America were to distinguish them from the famine refugees in the 1840s and thereafter. I wish someone would check this one up, perhaps at the time of your Rebellion it was also used to distinguish us from the Scots who in large numbers were supporters of the Status Quo that the idea of Ulster Scots was perhaps developed. Come over to Culture where we can argue this one. Edward > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnalangbank > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > But my husbands Presbyterian relatives who moved from donegal > to Scotland in 1912 used to say they were Scottish as being > Irish was not seen as a good thing!!! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:32, Penny Bonnar <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in > >> Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. > >> There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the > >> Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see > immediately was > >> an improvement. On the negative side the natives were > unfriendly but > >> on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The fake > >> highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore them, > >> before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots > ancestors would as > >> soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been > >> caught walking around in Washington DC in a loincloth with > tomahawk! > >> Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders as Andy was of Indians, > >> too. > >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so > who cares > >> about the truth. > >> > >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we > grew a lot > >> of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the > bakeries are > >> full of all kinds of breads you will find no where else in > Ireland -- > >> or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous > southern > >> breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not > called the > >> Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, > >> though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 years before, was still > >> enjoying a lot of different breads -- that's a sign that > she was an > >> Ulster girl. > >> > >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so > you will have > >> more room for the food. > >> > >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a > >> challenge for us Americans to come up with something not > Scottish and > >> not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my > grandfather's favorite > >> goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, > but I know > >> the ancestor brought it from Scotland: > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm > >> > >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now > because if > >> our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. > >> If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a > sign they were > >> either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. > >> Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. > >> If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but > an Irish > >> colony? Your ancestors christianized the heathenish Scotti > (ex Irish, > >> themselves) and the Picts of Alba. > >> Feel proud! > >> > >> Linda Merle > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > >> > >> Maybe something here? > >> > >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm > >> > >> > >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> > >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I > did try a > >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and > didn't work. > >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the > >>> planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. > >>> > >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll > work (that > >>> is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? > >>> > >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what > has America > >>> got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently > too Scotch > >>> Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). > >>> > >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a > >>> little bitmap? > >>> > >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster > >>> Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking > green beer > >>> to network for your heritage?) > >>> > >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my > >>> phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now > we know how > >>> the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. > >>> > >>> Linda Merle > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok, I give up. Who is King Billy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, >> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish >>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How about a bottle of Bushmill's? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster > you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't > seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or > haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the > negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had > very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- > only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland > Scots ancestors would > as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been > caught walking around in Washington > DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders > as Andy was of Indians, too. > However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares about > the truth. > > The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of > different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of > all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even > perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is > the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast > for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had > left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different > breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. > > So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have more > room for the food. > > I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge > for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even > Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd even > use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor > brought it from Scotland: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm > > So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our > ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your > immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either > brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an > important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, be > happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors > christianized the > heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel > proud! > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > Maybe something here? > > http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a bitmap >> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >> I see (again) searching the Internet. >> >> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >> >> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish to >> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >> >> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >> bitmap? >> >> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >> for your heritage?) >> >> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the little >> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'll drink to that! Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Otterson Sent: 07 March 2010 21:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! How about a bottle of Bushmill's? Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster > you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't > seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or > haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the > negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had > very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- > only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our lowland > Scots ancestors would > as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been > caught walking around in Washington > DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders > as Andy was of Indians, too. > However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares about > the truth. > > The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of > different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of > all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even > perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is > the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol Coast > for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters had > left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different > breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. > > So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have more > room for the food. > > I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge > for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even > Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd even > use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor > brought it from Scotland: > http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm > > So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our > ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your > immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either > brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an > important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, be > happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors > christianized the > heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel > proud! > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > Maybe something here? > > http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm > > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a bitmap >> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >> I see (again) searching the Internet. >> >> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >> >> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish to >> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >> >> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >> bitmap? >> >> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >> for your heritage?) >> >> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the little >> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I remember, Bushnells is whiskey? Not beer., Guinness is beer. two ounces Bushnells and 6 oz water....It would put me under. Marlene On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:25 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I'll drink to that! > > Boyd Gray > > http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm > > http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marilyn > Otterson > Sent: 07 March 2010 21:24 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > How about a bottle of Bushmill's? > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >> doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >> least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they >> had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- > >> only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland >> Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders > >> as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about > >> the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot >> of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >> full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast >> is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast > >> for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had >> left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more > >> room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even > >> use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >> an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >> Irish, be > >> happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap > >>> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>> planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>> is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>> got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>> Irish to > >>> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>> network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little > >>> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good grief! No wonder I am over weight, and mom too. My daughter, we love breads, different types, My daughter is making American-type scones. Love them too, but I have a feeling that in that auld country, they would taste differently. Gee just happened to remember, my two granddaughters absolutely get wide-eyed when bread is made and nearly makes piggies out of themselves. Marlene On Mar 7, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Marilyn Otterson wrote: > How about a bottle of Bushmill's? > Marilyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >> Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >> doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >> least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they >> had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- >> only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland >> Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders >> as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about >> the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot >> of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >> full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast >> is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast >> for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had >> left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more >> room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >> challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even >> use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >> our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >> an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >> Irish, be >> happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap >>> of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>> planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>> is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>> got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>> Irish to >>> HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>> little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>> network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little >>> bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >