A cultural question. William of Orange, Son in Law of King James II and IIV, husband of Princess Mary James' Daughter by Anne Hyde, who invaded the UK in 1688, and was appointed King of the United Kingdom and Ireland when his Father in Law was seen as threatening the Protestant interest in England. In the course of the subsequent fighting in Scotland and Ireland King William led the anti French forces, who were supporting James at the Battle of the Boyne. 1 July (old Style) 1690, now celebrated on 12 July. Seen as a Protestant Hero, (though he was probably gay). Linda with her tongue in her cheek picked him as the symbol of the Scotch Irish who's future would have been at risk had William not been secured on his throne. Also known as King Billy, the Orange Order (Google) takes his name from the Prince of Orange. A protestant toast goes To the glorious, pious and immortal memory of King William III, who saved us from rogues and roguery, slaves and slavery, knaves and knavery, from brass money and wooden shoes: and whoever denies this toast may he be slammed, crammed and jammed into the muzzle of the great gun of Athlone, and the gun fired into the Pope's belly, and the Pope into the devil's belly, and the devil into hell, and the door locked, and the key forever in an Orangeman's pocket. Edward Andrews --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Karen <[email protected]> wrote: From: Karen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 13:58 Ok, I give up. Who is King Billy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. > > Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in Ulster >> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There doesn't >> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at least) or >> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, they had >> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made unlawful. Our >> lowland Scots ancestors would >> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >> caught walking around in Washington >> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >> about the truth. >> >> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a lot of >> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are full of >> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern breakfast is >> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her ancesters >> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of different >> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >> >> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >> more room for the food. >> >> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a challenge >> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the ancestor >> brought it from Scotland: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >> >> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if our >> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is an >> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is Irish, >> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >> christianized the >> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >> proud! >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> Maybe something here? >> >> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the planet, >>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>> >>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that is >>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>> >>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America got >>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch Irish >>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>> >>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a little >>> bitmap? >>> >>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster Scots, >>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to network >>> for your heritage?) >>> >>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my phone >>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Well the protestants over there are a bit bloody, eh? Marlene On Mar 14, 2010, at 11:47 AM, EDWARD ANDREWS wrote: > A cultural question. > William of Orange, Son in Law of King James II and IIV, husband of > Princess Mary James' Daughter by Anne Hyde, who invaded the UK in > 1688, and was appointed King of the United Kingdom and Ireland when > his Father in Law was seen as threatening the Protestant interest in > England. > In the course of the subsequent fighting in Scotland and Ireland King > William led the anti French forces, who were supporting James at the > Battle of the Boyne. 1 July (old Style) 1690, now celebrated on 12 > July. > Seen as a Protestant Hero, (though he was probably gay). > Linda with her tongue in her cheek picked him as the symbol of the > Scotch Irish who's future would have been at risk had William not been > secured on his throne. Also known as King Billy, the Orange Order > (Google) takes his name from the Prince of Orange. > > A protestant toast goes > To the > glorious, pious and immortal memory of King William III, who > saved us from rogues and roguery, slaves and slavery, knaves > and > knavery, > from brass money and wooden shoes: and whoever denies this > toast > may he > be slammed, crammed and jammed into the muzzle of the great gun > of Athlone, > and the gun fired into the Pope's belly, and the Pope into the > devil's > belly, and the devil into hell, and the door locked, and the > key > forever > in an Orangeman's pocket. > Edward Andrews > > --- On Sun, 14/3/10, Karen <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Karen <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, 14 March, 2010, 13:58 > > Ok, I give up. Who is King Billy? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! > > >> I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. >> >> Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >>> Ulster >>> you were living in a new political climate and you changed. There >>> doesn't >>> seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the Plantation at >>> least) or >>> haggis -- which you can see immediately was an improvement. On the >>> negative side the natives were unfriendly but on the other hand, >>> they had >>> very good looking daughters. The fake highland stuff wouldn't do >>> anyway -- only highlanders wore them, before they were made >>> unlawful. Our >>> lowland Scots ancestors would >>> as soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >>> caught walking around in Washington >>> DC in a loincloth with tomahawk! Lowland Scots were as fond of >>> highlanders as Andy was of Indians, too. >>> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so who cares >>> about the truth. >>> >>> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we grew a >>> lot of >>> different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the bakeries are >>> full of >>> all kinds of breads you will find no where else in Ireland -- or even >>> perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous southern >>> breakfast is >>> the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not called the Chlorestorol >>> Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, though her >>> ancesters >>> had left Ireland 250 years before, was still enjoying a lot of >>> different >>> breads -- that's a sign that she was an Ulster girl. >>> >>> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so you will have >>> more room for the food. >>> >>> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >>> challenge >>> for us Americans to come up with something not Scottish and not even >>> Ulster. If only I had a photie of my grandfather's favorite goat. I'd >>> even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, but I know the >>> ancestor >>> brought it from Scotland: >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >>> >>> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now because if >>> our >>> ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. If your >>> immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a sign they were either >>> brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. Which is >>> an >>> important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. If your DNA is >>> Irish, >>> be happy. What was Scotland once but an Irish colony? Your ancestors >>> christianized the >>> heathenish Scotti (ex Irish, themselves) and the Picts of Alba. Feel >>> proud! >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >>> >>> Maybe something here? >>> >>> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >>> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I did try a >>>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and didn't work. >>>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>>> planet, >>>> I see (again) searching the Internet. >>>> >>>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll work (that >>>> is >>>> either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>>> >>>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what has America >>>> got >>>> to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently too Scotch >>>> Irish >>>> to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>>> little >>>> bitmap? >>>> >>>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>>> Scots, >>>> etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking green beer to >>>> network >>>> for your heritage?) >>>> >>>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>>> phone >>>> number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now we know how the >>>> little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >