I have a couple of questions that may seem ignorant to most of you. Is the orange/white/green flag of Northern Ireland or the other counties...Yes, I forget the name. What are the flag colors of the other part? About 50-55 years ago when I was in high school [grades 9-12] I had Catholic friends, but there was always a strain of some sort. I have a couple of Catholic friends now, and our friendship is closer and we have fun. But back then friendships were a bit odd. The Catholic people had an attitude which made you back off Marlene. On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Edward Andrews wrote: > Really this is something which we should be discussing in the Culture > list - > > > As an Ulster Scot now living in Scotland I am very aware that I am not > Scottish. I have some different attitudes, and in some cases different > values from the Scots around me. > > As far as the Church is concerned, the PCI and the Kirk are quite > different. Part of this is that early Irish Presbyterianism was > influenced > by English Congregationalism, and there were quite strong tensions > between > the Irish refugees who took refuge in, I think, Irvine during the time > of > the Black Oaths, and even the Covenanted Kirk. > > What had happened by 1912 was that the Protestants who were also > Unionists > were working hard on affirming a UK identity. I was very much brought > up as > being a Scot in exile. The Irish nationalists, right until the Belfast > (Good > Friday) Agreement where it was decided that all the cultures of > Northern > Ireland were to be equally affirmed, very much tied in being Irish with > Gaelic speaking Roman Catholicism. One of the funniest things about > this is > that the only area of Britain which is largely comfortable with the > Theology > of Ian Paisley. The irony is that the general language and in many > places > the language of preference for worship is Gaelic. > > The idea of the Ulster Scot / Scotch Irish was an affirmation of this > separated state. The Scotch Irish in America were to distinguish them > from > the famine refugees in the 1840s and thereafter. I wish someone would > check > this one up, perhaps at the time of your Rebellion it was also used to > distinguish us from the Scots who in large numbers were supporters of > the > Status Quo that the idea of Ulster Scots was perhaps developed. > > Come over to Culture where we can argue this one. > Edward > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Donnalangbank >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:41 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >> >> But my husbands Presbyterian relatives who moved from donegal >> to Scotland in 1912 used to say they were Scottish as being >> Irish was not seen as a good thing!!! >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 7 Mar 2010, at 21:32, Penny Bonnar <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I know. I realized after I sent the link that it was only Scottish. >>> >>> Then I looked for other sites, but there really isn't much. >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Penny, Cute, but we're not Scottish <grin>. Once you landed in >>>> Ulster you were living in a new political climate and you changed. >>>> There doesn't seem to have been nearly as many kilts (after the >>>> Plantation at least) or haggis -- which you can see >> immediately was >>>> an improvement. On the negative side the natives were >> unfriendly but >>>> on the other hand, they had very good looking daughters. The fake >>>> highland stuff wouldn't do anyway -- only highlanders wore them, >>>> before they were made unlawful. Our lowland Scots >> ancestors would as >>>> soon appear in public in a kilt as Andrew Jackson would have been >>>> caught walking around in Washington DC in a loincloth with >> tomahawk! >>>> Lowland Scots were as fond of highlanders as Andy was of Indians, >>>> too. >>>> However now it is big money to sell you some itchy wool so >> who cares >>>> about the truth. >>>> >>>> The climate in east Ulster at least was pretty good, so we >> grew a lot >>>> of different kinds of grains. Even today in Belfast the >> bakeries are >>>> full of all kinds of breads you will find no where else in >> Ireland -- >>>> or even perhaps Scotland. In fact the parent of the famous >> southern >>>> breakfast is the Ulster breakfast. The north coast is not >> called the >>>> Chlorestorol Coast for no good reason. If your mother, like mine, >>>> though her ancesters had left Ireland 250 years before, was still >>>> enjoying a lot of different breads -- that's a sign that >> she was an >>>> Ulster girl. >>>> >>>> So if you go to Ulster this summer, diet before hand so >> you will have >>>> more room for the food. >>>> >>>> I found an image, maybe a little too Ulstery -- but this is a >>>> challenge for us Americans to come up with something not >> Scottish and >>>> not even Ulster. If only I had a photie of my >> grandfather's favorite >>>> goat. I'd even use this bitmap of tartan that I inherited, >> but I know >>>> the ancestor brought it from Scotland: >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/Tartan.htm >>>> >>>> So it won't do either.... But King Billy will do for now >> because if >>>> our ancestors were Protestants in Ireland, they were on his side. >>>> If your immediate ancestors tell other stories, it's a >> sign they were >>>> either brainwashed recently or your family assimilated after 1600. >>>> Which is an important clue. Many Irish did, as the DNA shows. >>>> If your DNA is Irish, be happy. What was Scotland once but >> an Irish >>>> colony? Your ancestors christianized the heathenish Scotti >> (ex Irish, >>>> themselves) and the Picts of Alba. >>>> Feel proud! >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Penny Bonnar" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 3:25:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Okay Bit-Map People!! >>>> >>>> Maybe something here? >>>> >>>> http://www.scottish-crafts.co.uk/clipart.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 1:56 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't find a good image for the genealogy wise list. I >> did try a >>>>> bitmap of King Billy but it was apparently too big and >> didn't work. >>>>> Unfortunately we are not the most visually graphic people on the >>>>> planet, I see (again) searching the Internet. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know of a little orange lily or something that'll >> work (that >>>>> is either in the public domain or the owner will let us use)? >>>>> >>>>> What is sad is all these images are from Ulster -- what >> has America >>>>> got to offer, I wonder? (Don't look at me, I'm apparently >> too Scotch >>>>> Irish to HAVE anything visual!!!!). >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a clever loyalist son or daughter who can make a >>>>> little bitmap? >>>>> >>>>> And does anyone want to start an Ulster Scots, Canadian Ulster >>>>> Scots, etc, group???? (Or are you all too busy drinking >> green beer >>>>> to network for your heritage?) >>>>> >>>>> Off to find NewDog who ran away on his walk today.....he has my >>>>> phone number on his collar so he'll be back... Maybe now >> we know how >>>>> the little bugger became homeless in the first place <grin>. >>>>> >>>>> Linda Merle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >