Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer...."  Here's the paragraph: Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much appreciated. Ruth

Hi, I haven't heard of this, but have just begun to hunt relatives, and had no idea where to begin. I had originally thought the family of McCleary had come over much later, but now I think they may have come from Pennsylvania... Thanks for sharing this hint.... Now to try to figure out how to follow up on it... should be interesting. Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:52 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give > the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the > last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not > wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: > > Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, > "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to > come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but > were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families > sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in > the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they > journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of > land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert > Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at > Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The > majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled > overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware > (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." > > Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New > Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were > they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar > with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH > and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the > same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, > not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved > on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I > am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much > appreciated. > > Ruth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ellen, It's hard to give you specific advice because we don't know what info you got! At this point you want to post : "Okay, I know my great grandpa Scott was living in Pohokan, Nebraska in 1884 and his daughter said they came from ....." That's important stuff to document. Right now, before anyone else passes on to the great beyond. My great uncle Ralph is now gone and we don't know the source of his story that one ancestress of ours had a twin brother who set off for the gold rush in 1849 and was never hard from. Family believed he was murdered at a tavern. Digging up the area for a street car line, the town found skeletons. Good story? BAD story so far. Ie ancestress was supposedly born in Scotland but there is no baptism for her -- and none for a twin brother. No twin brother named in any wills or deeds. Could be another ancester and the story got attached to the wrong person. Or Uncle Ralph is right. Donno.....we'll have to channel him if we want to know. I wonder if that works? I'm jumping ahead. It's like a murder investigation. You got to collect all the clues and info, but then you need to realize these are not facts. These are clues. Some clues are misleading. Some clues, even if misleading, can lead you to the murderer anyway. Or a different crime scene altogether. So then you ask 'How do I know great grandpa Scott was living in Pohokan? You check the censuses. You migh think this is a two minute no-brainer, what with the indexes at Ancestry.com. No. often you can't find them either due to bad indexing, bad census taking, inaccurate information, inexperienced searching (on your part). So when this happens (and it will) don't get depressed and don't give up. As you gather evidence, you must learn all about records: what exists, where to find them, how to interpret them. Knowing how to find this information is not genetic. We are not bees who are born, eh, hatched, knowing what they need to know to accomplish bee-tasks. So if you haven't received training in this stuff, you don't know how to do it, even if your Cousin Alma knew and she told you. That's because things are changing fast. If you try to do genealogy like Cousin Alma, you won't get very far. That's why she didn't and left you all those dead ends. You live in the electronic age and you can literally accomplish more in one afternoon than she could in her whole life of writing letters to courthouses and distant cousins. So you need to get educated. This isn't a grim as it sounds. There is lots of free information at www.rootsweb.com and www.familysearch.org, www.ancestry.com, and lots of information you should get, even if you have to pay for it. You should take some classes, visit your local family history center, and absorb new information -- every day. You can subscribe to free enews letters over the INternet and every day get a couple with short, digestible articles. You can learn to use your local library to check expensive standard works. On and on! Learnng can be fun. The genealogy industry also holds conferences -- local ones, regional, national, etc, which are great places to learn fast. Get invovled in the local genealogy societies too. There are people who try to do this for a living, though few actually make a decent living at it. The rest expect these guys to produce results FAST so they tend to be better educated. The number of people who can afford to hire someone else to do their family history is quite small. Other than poverty, the one thing professionals have in common and that separates them from the 'family historian' is that pros keep learning. On the pros lists, they are constantly looking for conferences, cheap copies of lectures, magazines, books, etc, because every day they learn even though they may be recognized leaders in their field. On the other hand, family historians often think they already know it all and get quite huffy if you suggest they don't. NO one knows it all. So what's important now for you is to start collecting what info you do have in the family. Oral history dies with the person unless you collect it. Collect it and source it (Aunt Mary Hart....) and if you can ask the person how they know it, it might lead to more discovery. Then you model it in genealogy software. You can get several free. I like Legacy (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Then you can print out a zillion updated, correct family group sheets for the family reunion, send people PDF reports, gedcom your data to people -- it's easy. A lot easier than in Cousin Alma's day. I do genealogy professionally...what sucks (among other things) is to get a pile of papers in the mail (sources! I think). Wrong. Family group sheets -- and they are all different. What's the most up to date version? WHo knows! The client doesn't know either. My inherited family group sheets are a mess too. MINE I print out and they have a date on them <grin>!!! Voila. I or a grand neice can arrange them chronologically. Hopefully the later ones are righter than the earlier. Every genealogy 'problem' has standard ways to resolve it. These are taught at conferences, in books, in free webpages and courses, etc. Usually you have to check standard sources. Most of the time clients who employ me either haven't checked those sources or if they did, didn't document that they did. So they basically haven't done the job and, having done it, failed to document the findings. Even a negative result is important. It says something. If you try to find an ancestor in the book that documents British aliens living in the USA in 1812 it means something: he wasn't here or he wasn't an alien. (The book could be wrong or he could have been hiding out as well). This is important info to know. Can you prove he wasn't here? Was he in the army? Can you find him back home? Was he old enough to be documented or could his father be this man who lived in your area and who is documented?? So you found him or rather his father, but didn't realize it? You need to understand the standard sources to check for things. The Family history library's free guides can help or you can pay $$$ to buy some books to learn these. Legacy (paid verson) also will tell you what to check and where they are. I cheat a lot and use it<grin>!! If you have colonial (or near colonial) ancestors, you will most likely never find a document that says where precisely they came from ("Ireland" on an early naturalization don't count: you can get that from the census). That's because no one ever made those documents. You can search for 100 years for a document that never existed -- and oddly, never find it. Only the naive are impressed when you sound off at a family reunion" "I have searched for immigration information for sixty years now". Smarter to search for 5 minutes at Ancestry and then moving on to really locating the family origins in a productive manner. The way we locate the place of origin is to use clues. If you don't have any because you didn't collect any or you don't know which are correct and which appear fabricated -- you don't get too far. It's episode2 of the season. The rest of the episodes you spend interviewing and re-interviewing and staring at charts and driving around following up on 'aha's. We know that. We watch TV. A good book is Rising's "A Family Tree Problem Solver" -- it shows how you use indirect evidence to figure out where they came from. She uses I think it is Missouri records to trace people back to Tennessee and Virginia. The technique is much the same for hopping over the pond. You can't explain this all in an email. And you can't learn it all in a day either! It takes years and years of practice and learning, so the answers are not here. One good place to start and then revisit often are the free courses at www.genealogical.com/university.html . I still visit these...when? When I'm stuck! Being stuck means you need to go learn some more. Sometimes something you overlooked the first 10 times will be your savior. So it's circular, like an English mystery where the detective is always driving past the same fields as he returns to interview the witnesses, again and again. The long version will be put into a book someday. If you don't buy books you won't know how to do it. I have (meanly) said at times that my plan is to the part of my family history that I discovered in a journal -- and thereby hide it from all the family as they don't read genealogy journals or know about the index to them (PERSI). Hehehe..... And send all my notes to the Family History Library who will microfilm it and put it in their catalog but my family never visits the first place you should always go for family history -- the family history library (largest collection of genealogy on the planet -- why wouldn't you go, esp. since 'going' means visiting www.familysearch.org ?). Hehehehehe....oh, I'm a mean one, I am <grin>! Tell me about the Dowlings. There are English Dowlings and there are Irish. The Irish are in Ulster and I got one. In Ireland the name is believed to be a variant of "Doran", an Irish name, but without investigation who knows. All I know is the marriage of my ancestress to Robert Norris about 1820 in Derry, that produced "Dowling Norris". He was killed in the American Civil War. Don't know who her people were, yet. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:58:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 Hi, I haven't heard of this, but have just begun to hunt relatives, and had no idea where to begin. I had originally thought the family of McCleary had come over much later, but now I think they may have come from Pennsylvania... Thanks for sharing this hint.... Now to try to figure out how to follow up on it... should be interesting. Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:52 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give > the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the > last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not > wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: > > Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, > "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to > come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but > were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families > sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in > the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they > journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of > land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert > Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at > Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The > majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled > overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware > (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." > > Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New > Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were > they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar > with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH > and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the > same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, > not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved > on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I > am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much > appreciated. > > Ruth > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, thanks for taking so much time to answer my, I don't know what to do comment. I should have let you know why I have a snag in the McCleary family search. I have traced them back to North Carolina during the civil war and even one tax list after, and then other census from then till now, but my snag is I can't figure out how to go further back to tie the McCleary family elsewhere to the one in North Carolina. The North Carolina county courthouse where the McCleary family lived was bombed during the civil war and burnt down. all records lost, and then it burnt 3 more times... I can not seem to find who the father of Jefferson McCleary, also spelled McClorry, and MCClary on different census papers. Not doing such a hot job of figuring out who his wife is either. she must have been dead by the time the records that have survived were taken. I did read a bit of a history book online that said a lot of Scotts that came to North Carolina actually came inland through Tennessee, but Jefferson lists he was born in North Carolina. I have found records in other counties of McCleary or some derivative thereof, but no one claims Jefferson on their family . I'm stumped. I figured I would just suearch out every MCCleary etc I can find from Pennsylvania to North Carolina and I might get lucky and find something. Right now it is guesswork. The Dowling name means nothing as far as ancestry goes... My husbands father and his twin sister, were adopted by the Dowlings. His dads adoptive mother made him promise to never look for his genetic parents. Thankfully his wife finally talked him into letting her look when he was 70 years old. We have been able to trace his blood family, The Raffields, and the Morris family we are still working on. The Morris side was possibly Irish but I have more work to trace in America before I try that. The Raffields are probably English, but again I haven't tried to do to much hunting that way yet. I use Ancestry.com, but have only been working about 4 months. And that is on lots of different family names. I have used family search on line, and genealogy.net for my side. My tree is looking like a spider web. I have my tree to the point where many ancestors have to be hunted for overseas. But I still have to try to get to one of those ancestry help places that family search has. There is one in our town, but their schedule and mine haven't fit together yet. I have noticed on ancestry.com that the family lists from other peoples trees don't have a lot of facts connected sometimes. Many have names and dates all mixed up. But they have helped give me directional hints though. And most of the names panned out as being family, if not in the exact order I found them in. I am searching family in Lithuania, Germany/ Prussia and Sweden, on my side. Have even tried writing some people living who have my family name and living in the same towns my family hailed from. Hoping they answer me. I have my Swedish side to where they came over to America, but I haven't invested the time or money yet to sign up to SVAR. That whole directions entices but baffles me. I am signed up to a Swedish list, and have Swedish word lists etc. But haven't worked up the courage to dive in. My tree is on Ancestry.com. It is the Auge,Vitz, Plinsky Thomander, Nyberg etc tree. LOL. I have gotten some family to pitch in and share what they know. Sometimes I think I'm nuts to have tried to go so many directions so fast, but , I don't know how long I will have a subscription, so I am hunting everybody for everybody. Tell ya what, the more I learn the more I realize I don't know enough.. I still have 2 McCleary ladies left in their 80's, but they have actually tried to find out things years ago by traveling to the towns where the McCleary's lived in North Carolina. but they ran into the fire in the courthouse problem, and could go no farther. Their father was dead and there was no one to ask. I have been able to find out that their dad Jordan Winfield McCleary was illegitimate . so I have no idea who his dad was. I figure it was somebody in the farming area where his mother lived and worked in other peoples homes. Her name was Amanda McCleary, and through the census records that list her, I was able to find her siblings and her dads name. they lived in a place called MCCleary swamp, but I can't find it on any map, in North Carolina, but I have the counties they lived in. Before the last courthouse fire, when my husbands mother and her sister went hunting, they found a certificate of bastardy for a McCleary boy child, they thought might have been for their father. They have long since lost it. I am enjoying the hunt too, but I can't imagine doing this for a living. the time involved is enormous. Anyway, thanks for writing, sorry I didn't make a clearer comment on what you wrote... I really do appreciate your taking the time to write me that long letter. and you have mentioned paths to take that I have yet to follow but plan to. If I could only find that connection in the McCleary family from Jefferson on back. I found a Thomas Jefferson McCleary age 26 on an 1830 Maryland census... but my Jefferson was born in 1814, as per the 1860 census that lists him as age 46. It calls him McClorry on that one, but it's him. The batches of first names in the family tie together the various census misspellings of the last name. I even found people that may have been his brothers or cousins, but haven't found them back further either, yet. I was hoping if I couldn't follow his trail, I could hit on it with extended family from the same area and census. The area I found them in was Cool Springs, Washington County, NorthCarolina, Post office Mackeys Ferry, and also Harrington County Div.2. dist. 1 N.C., and the northern district 1850 Census Rockeartto, County, N.C. or something like that, can't read it very good. If you have any idea how to look back farther I'm all ears....or in this case eyes since we are writing, not talking. LOL. There are some colonial ancestors on my husbands side as well, but none on mine.. the hardest part of waiting so long to start hunting is I forget what I've found and where I found it so quickly... I am trying to document it all as I go along... but I have gone so many directions in such a short time I have well nigh driven myself crazy!!!! In your business do you only hunt Scotch Irish, or do you hunt other countries too??? Well thanks again... Ellie From: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 10:00 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Hi Ellen, It's hard to give you specific advice because we don't know what > info you got! > > At this point you want to post : "Okay, I know my great grandpa Scott was > living in Pohokan, Nebraska in 1884 and his daughter said they came from > ....." > > That's important stuff to document. Right now, before anyone else passes > on to the great beyond. My great uncle Ralph is now gone and we don't know > the source of his story that one ancestress of ours had a twin brother who > set off for the gold rush in 1849 and was never hard from. Family believed > he was murdered at a tavern. Digging up the area for a street car line, > the town found skeletons. Good story? BAD story so far. Ie ancestress was > supposedly born in Scotland but there is no baptism for her -- and none > for a twin brother. No twin brother named in any wills or deeds. Could be > another ancester and the story got attached to the wrong person. Or Uncle > Ralph is right. Donno.....we'll have to channel him if we want to know. I > wonder if that works? > > I'm jumping ahead. It's like a murder investigation. You got to collect > all the clues and info, but then you need to realize these are not facts. > These are clues. Some clues are misleading. Some clues, even if > misleading, can lead you to the murderer anyway. Or a different crime > scene altogether. > > So then you ask 'How do I know great grandpa Scott was living in Pohokan? > You check the censuses. > You migh think this is a two minute no-brainer, what with the indexes at > Ancestry.com. No. often you can't find them either due to bad indexing, > bad census taking, inaccurate information, inexperienced searching (on > your part). So when this happens (and it will) don't get depressed and > don't give up. > > As you gather evidence, you must learn all about records: what exists, > where to find them, how to interpret them. Knowing how to find this > information is not genetic. We are not bees who are born, eh, hatched, > knowing what they need to know to accomplish bee-tasks. So if you haven't > received training in this stuff, you don't know how to do it, even if your > Cousin Alma knew and she told you. That's because things are changing > fast. If you try to do genealogy like Cousin Alma, you won't get very far. > That's why she didn't and left you all those dead ends. You live in the > electronic age and you can literally accomplish more in one afternoon than > she could in her whole life of writing letters to courthouses and distant > cousins. > > So you need to get educated. This isn't a grim as it sounds. There is lots > of free information at www.rootsweb.com and www.familysearch.org, > www.ancestry.com, and lots of information you should get, even if you have > to pay for it. You should take some classes, visit your local family > history center, and absorb new information -- every day. You can subscribe > to free enews letters over the INternet and every day get a couple with > short, digestible articles. You can learn to use your local library to > check expensive standard works. On and on! Learnng can be fun. The > genealogy industry also holds conferences -- local ones, regional, > national, > etc, which are great places to learn fast. Get invovled in the local > genealogy societies too. > > There are people who try to do this for a living, though few actually make > a decent living at it. The rest expect these guys to produce results FAST > so they tend to be better educated. The number of people who can afford to > hire someone else to do their family history is quite small. Other than > poverty, the one thing professionals have in common and that separates > them from the 'family historian' is that pros keep learning. On the pros > lists, they are constantly looking for conferences, cheap copies of > lectures, magazines, books, etc, because every day they learn even though > they may be recognized leaders in their field. On the other hand, family > historians often think they already know it all and get quite huffy if you > suggest they don't. NO one knows it all. > > So what's important now for you is to start collecting what info you do > have in the family. Oral history dies with the person unless you collect > it. Collect it and source it (Aunt Mary Hart....) and if you can ask the > person how they know it, it might lead to more discovery. Then you model > it in genealogy software. You can get several free. I like Legacy > (www.legacyfamilytree.com). Then you can print out a zillion updated, > correct family group sheets for the family reunion, send people PDF > reports, gedcom your data to people -- it's easy. A lot easier than in > Cousin Alma's day. I do genealogy professionally...what sucks (among other > things) is to get a pile of papers in the mail (sources! I think). Wrong. > Family group sheets -- and they are all different. What's the most up to > date version? WHo knows! The client doesn't know either. My inherited > family group sheets are a mess too. MINE I print out and they have a date > on them <grin>!!! Voila. I or a grand neice can arrange them > chronologically. Hopefully the later ones are righter than the earlier. > > Every genealogy 'problem' has standard ways to resolve it. These are > taught at conferences, in books, in free webpages and courses, etc. > Usually you have to check standard sources. Most of the time clients who > employ me either haven't checked those sources or if they did, didn't > document that they did. So they basically haven't done the job and, having > done it, failed to document the findings. Even a negative result is > important. It says something. If you try to find an ancestor in the book > that documents British aliens living in the USA in 1812 it means > something: he wasn't here or he wasn't an alien. (The book could be wrong > or he could have been hiding out as well). This is important info to know. > Can you prove he wasn't here? Was he in the army? Can you find him back > home? Was he old enough to be documented or could his father be this man > who lived in your area and who is documented?? So you found him or rather > his father, but didn't realize it? > > You need to understand the standard sources to check for things. The > Family history library's free guides can help or you can pay $$$ to buy > some books to learn these. Legacy (paid verson) also will tell you what to > check and where they are. I cheat a lot and use it<grin>!! > > If you have colonial (or near colonial) ancestors, you will most likely > never find a document that says where precisely they came from ("Ireland" > on an early naturalization don't count: you can get that from the census). > That's because no one ever made those documents. You can search for 100 > years for a document that never existed -- and oddly, never find it. Only > the naive are impressed when you sound off at a family reunion" "I have > searched for immigration information for sixty years now". Smarter to > search for 5 minutes at Ancestry and then moving on to really locating the > family origins in a productive manner. > > The way we locate the place of origin is to use clues. If you don't have > any because you didn't collect any or you don't know which are correct and > which appear fabricated -- you don't get too far. It's episode2 of the > season. The rest of the episodes you spend interviewing and > re-interviewing and staring at charts and driving around following up on > 'aha's. We know that. We watch TV. > > A good book is Rising's "A Family Tree Problem Solver" -- it shows how you > use indirect evidence to figure out where they came from. She uses I think > it is Missouri records to trace people back to Tennessee and Virginia. The > technique is much the same for hopping over the pond. > > You can't explain this all in an email. And you can't learn it all in a > day either! It takes years and years of practice and learning, so the > answers are not here. One good place to start and then revisit often are > the free courses at www.genealogical.com/university.html . I still visit > these...when? When I'm stuck! Being stuck means you need to go learn some > more. Sometimes something you overlooked the first 10 times will be your > savior. So it's circular, like an English mystery where the detective is > always driving past the same fields as he returns to interview the > witnesses, again and again. > > The long version will be put into a book someday. If you don't buy books > you won't know how to do it. I have (meanly) said at times that my plan is > to the part of my family history that I discovered in a journal -- and > thereby hide it from all the family as they don't read genealogy journals > or know about the index to them (PERSI). Hehehe..... And send all my notes > to the Family History Library who will microfilm it and put it in their > catalog but my family never visits the first place you should always go > for family history -- the family history library (largest collection of > genealogy on the planet -- why wouldn't you go, esp. since 'going' means > visiting > www.familysearch.org ?). Hehehehehe....oh, I'm a mean one, I am <grin>! > > Tell me about the Dowlings. There are English Dowlings and there are > Irish. The Irish are in Ulster and I got one. In Ireland the name is > believed to be a variant of "Doran", an Irish name, but without > investigation who knows. All I know is the marriage of my ancestress to > Robert Norris about 1820 in Derry, that produced "Dowling Norris". He was > killed in the American Civil War. Don't know who her people were, yet. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:58:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from > NH toPA in 1719 > > Hi, I haven't heard of this, but have just begun to hunt relatives, and > had > no idea where to begin. I had originally thought the family of McCleary > had > come over much later, but now I think they may have come from > Pennsylvania... Thanks for sharing this hint.... Now to try to figure out > how to follow up on it... should be interesting. Ellie > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:52 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH > toPA in 1719 > >> Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give >> the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the >> last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not >> wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: >> >> Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, >> "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to >> come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but >> were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families >> sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in >> the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they >> journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of >> land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert >> Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at >> Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The >> majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled >> overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware >> (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." >> >> Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New >> Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were >> they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar >> with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH >> and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the >> same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, >> not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved >> on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I >> am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Ruth >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth, there is an entire book written on them. "The Scotch-Irish of Northampton county, Pennsylvania" by Northampton County Historical and Genealogical Society. See here: http://www.pa-genealogy.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8&products_id=900 Also a little information here: http://www.lifestylesover50.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=72 It's fairly well known that many New England Scotch Irish families did migrate down to Pennsylvania. Why wouldn't anyone (I wonder): the climate was much better, the soil better, and they had religious freedom in PA, which they didn't have in New England. It's difficult to establish who they exactly are because in the early 1700s we often do not have much information. We trace them back to Cumberland County (etc) and then we figure we've reached the immigrants and we start to try to find them in Ulster. Not realizing that we're short a generation and another migration. Local histories can give us a clue -- like in this case. I don't know if they came by boat or land. Land in 1718 I think would be very very difficult. I know there was a Scotch irish settlement in Orange Co, NY by that time (an ancestor of mine died on the ship and his widow spend a cold winter on Cape Cod playing Irish harp to feed the children. She then moved to Orange Co -- this was 1729 ish). Ship would have been far easier, I suspect, but someone would have wanted paid and did these people have money? Perhaps the book above has the answer. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:52:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH to PA in 1719 Below is an excerpt about the 1718 arrival of "the 5 ships" to give the context. The bit of the excerpt that catches my attention is the last sentence beginning "The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer...." Here's the paragraph: Elmer Roy Collier begins his book, Weir, Wear, and Ware, by saying, "The... families petitioned in 1718 to the Governor of New England to come to America...they arrived in Boston Harbor in 4 August 1718 but were forbidden to land by the intolerant Puritans. ...Sixteen families sailed to Casco Bay to claim a tract of land there but were frozen in the Bay by early winter weather…When the ice broke in the Spring they journeyed to Haverhill, Mass., where they heard of a fine tract of land about 15 miles northeast called Nutfield…James Gregg and Robert Weir sent a request to the Governor and Court, assembled at Portsmouth, New Hampshire, for a township ten miles square. The majority of the Scotts-Irish could not wait any longer and traveled overland to the Scotts-Irish settlement at the Forks of the Delaware (Northampton County, Pennsylvania)." Is anyone familiar with this 1719 movement of families from New Hampshire to PA, after the terrible winter in Casco Bay, ME? Who were they, why there in particular, how did they get there? I am familiar with the families who stayed and settled in Nutfield/Londonderry, NH and environs. The idea makes sense that others, perhaps within the same families, couldn't wait for the decision of Governor and Court, not wanting to endure another tough winter as yet unsettled, and moved on to PA, thus losing contact with siblings, cousins etc. in NH. But I am out of my depth on PA! So any insights or help would be much appreciated. Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for that, Linda. You given me a real place to start! Ruth On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Ruth, there is an entire book written on them. > "The Scotch-Irish of Northampton county, Pennsylvania"