Ok, I get it, thanks... I was in high school 39 years ago, They didn't cover a whole lot on Chromosomes. All I remember learning is chromosomes in male pattern baldness...LOL, Ok, well there are no more McCleary males that I know of in our line. Last one died last year... . Ellie -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:37 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from NH toPA in 1719 > Hi Ellie, we learned about the Y chromosome in high school. Maybe talk to > son if you forgot. He would only have the Y chromosome of his McCleary > ancestors if he descends on his MALE LINE from them. That means his > surname is McCleary, his father's surname was McCleary, his grandfather's > was, etc. This is the male line. Or try a google. > Knowing how to google is a basic skill for doing genealogy these days. > Teaching about Y chromosomes is not the purpose of this list but you can > find plenty of instructions out thar on the Internet -- and far better > than what we'd attempt here to do. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2010 2:54:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from > NH toPA in 1719 > > Hi Linda, I guess what I was asking is, my son Seth has the McCleary genes > through his grandmother's, father Jordan McCleary... Does it get too > muddled > that far away from the McCleary surname??? I looked at the site and am > more > confused than before...LOL, I am artistic, not scientific, so my brains > goes...Duh..... sorry, Ellie > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:10 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration from > NH toPA in 1719 > >> Hi Ellie, it has to be a male relative with the right surname because he >> would have a Y chromosome inherited from the male ancestor with the >> surname. See www.familytreedna.com for more information. >> >> Good luck with the husband. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ellie Dowling" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 11:55:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration >> from >> NH toPA in 1719 >> >> Hi Linda, Oh I would love to go the DNA route!!!! And maybe someday I >> will >> be able to ... It is on my wish list ... Why does it have to be a male >> relative with the surname??? Why can't it just be a male with the >> McCleary >> genes in him??? Keeping in mind that my husband is Scotch-Irish, maybe it >> doesn't always fit, but talking my husband into the desire to pay for DNA >> testing will be a real adventure..... LOL, Thanks Ellie >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:14 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] a question about a possible Scotch-Irish migration >> from >> NH toPA in 1719 >> >>> Hi Ellen, >>> >>> The burnt courthouse scenario is an all too familiar one. It is the >>> subject of endless lectures, articles, and even books. You need to stop >>> using it as an excuse (like the rest of us <grin>) and get past it using >>> good genealogical methodologies. Such an event can be overcome. You just >>> need to know how. >>> >>> The first thing to do is google. In this case for things like burnt >>> courthouse genealogy. I did that and came up with several things >>> including >>> http://inman.surnameweb.org/documents/looking.htm . >>> >>> The bottom line with burnt courthouses is that sooner or later some >>> government comes along and wants to collect taxes. Unless they can >>> figure >>> out who is responsible for paying the taxes, many are likely to avoid >>> it. >>> So reconstruction of land records occurs rather fast. Assisting are >>> families who want to inherit or continue with their high place in the >>> social order as well as those whose enemies see the chaos as a chance to >>> dispossess those families of their property. >>> >>> There was NOT a law in place (that I am aware of) requiring that >>> property >>> sales (deeds) be registered at the courthouse. I am not a North Carolina >>> expert; I may be wrong, but I doubt it seriously. You COULD register the >>> deed but you didn't have to. Eventually due to the difficulties of >>> collecting taxes, etc, the states applied much pressure to get the court >>> house used. But that's later on. The way you proved you owned property >>> is >>> you produced the deed. The real deed. The deed was copied into the >>> courthouse records -- maybe. The real deed is the one your ancestor had. >>> To prove he owned it after the fire, he showed up at the courthouse and >>> had it recorded again. >>> >>> If he didn't have the deed (house burnt too, goat ate it, Uncle Bob used >>> it for TP (toilet paper)), then you got some witnesses who swore an oath >>> and testified. There are a zillion of these kinda cases all over the USA >>> in court records. If the courthouse burnt up, it started again. >>> >>> There are also grants -- made by the colony. NC grants are a huge huge >>> topic. I once encountered them in a project in Tennessee....They're not >>> kept at the courthouse. Maybe it had some copies but those are state >>> records and I do know they survive. Ditto for Virginia, PA, Maryland and >>> all the places to the north where you should be looking. There are all >>> kinds of records that are not kept at the county courthouse you can use >>> and lots of articles and books that explain what they are and how to >>> find >>> them. >>> >>> However this is a heck of a lot of work. If you want fast results, then >>> it's simple. Catch a male relative with the surname and test his Y >>> chromosome. He has to have the Y chromosome of the early family, so make >>> sure he descends on the male line. Don't have one, you say? Hogwash. Do >>> some genealogy and FIND one! That's what we do <grin>. Genealogy! It >>> costs >>> $300 unless you hit on a sale. Test at www.familytreedna.com (largest >>> database). You can join free as many projects as you want. Maybe the >>> Ireland one. When the results arrive, the admins can usually figure out >>> what quad of Ireland they're from. If Ulster, you are shuffled off to >>> the >>> Ulster Heritage project. Then you look for matches in that project, in >>> NC >>> projects, in family projects, etc. >>> >>> When you find matches, you can then look for the paper trail from A to >>> B. >>> Eliminates a lot of vacuuming up of records in places your ancestors >>> never >>> were. >>> >>> You can spend 20 years vacuuming records and copying them at 25 cents or >>> more per page and not get anywhere, so you hire someone for the minimum >>> amount -- which now is about $300 and they may or may not find something >>> (toss the dice). Or you can do DNA testing NOW. You spend $300. You save >>> money photocopying every piece of paper in the original colonies, and >>> eventually, maybe in six weeks, maybe in a year, you will have a match >>> and >>> can start figuring out how they got from A to B. Even if you never get a >>> match in the USA, you know your ancestor didn't match those guys. He's >>> not >>> a McCleary. But you'll know what he was and can work with those people >>> to >>> figure out who the Indian in the wood pile was. THAT you'll never learn >>> any other way. >>> >>> Because the truth is even if all the courthouses hadn't burnt down, >>> there >>> could have never been a record made of where your ancestors came from, >>> so >>> sifting through records, will not solve this problem. Most colonial >>> immigrations are NOT documented. They were not documented in 1719 when >>> they hopped off the boat nor any other time unless by chance in oral or >>> county histories, obits of pioneers, etc. >>> >>> So forget the courthouse and go track down a cousin. In six weeks, when >>> your DNA results come in, you could know which family groups you match >>> and >>> which you don't, assuming others with the surname have tested. Check for >>> a >>> family project at www.familytreedna.com and find out. >>> >>> DNA is the only way to get results for certain, and it's fast and cheap >>> too. If you have colonial migrants, then you need to do this. You can >>> read >>> through several courses on migration genealogy at >>> www.genealogical.com/university.html and eventually you'll figure out >>> there is no sure way to find their origins doing genealogy. There is >>> using >>> DNA -- so bag a cousin and then read the courses while the DNA is being >>> tested. It'll give you something to do <grin>. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message