Hi Woody: Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. Regards Jim White Naples, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their > site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain > (Cornwall > & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately > Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 > Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought > to > indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially > Norwegians. > All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or > another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of my > families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic > name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the > 5th > to 17th centuries. > > Woody Stephens > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > >> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >> >> Ruth in Ottawa >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ruth: >>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I >>> am >>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>> have >>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>> Sligo. >>> >>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need >>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>> FTDNA). >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jim White >>> Naples, Florida >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
Jim: I don't know offhand. I have to go onto the site and click links until I find it, but it's there. It is a map showing where various halpologues (?) were found to have originated based on participants' info on their earliest known male ancestor. As far as L21 goes, I believe it is a set of specific markers within the genome. Those people in R1b1b2 matching among these markers belong to a subgroup within R1b1b2 and assumed to have an origin within a specific group. I don't understand all I know about DNA, and probably know less than I think I do, so I'm really not the best person to ask. Woody Stephens -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim White" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > Hi Woody: > > Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is > concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? > > I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? > > What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). > > As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. > > Regards > > Jim White > > Naples, Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > > >>I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their >> site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain >> (Cornwall >> & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately >> Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 >> Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought >> to >> indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially >> Norwegians. >> All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or >> another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of >> my >> families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic >> name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the >> 5th >> to 17th centuries. >> >> Woody Stephens >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >> >>> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >>> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >>> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >>> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >>> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >>> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >>> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >>> >>> Ruth in Ottawa >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ruth: >>>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". >>>> I >>>> am >>>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>>> have >>>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>>> Sligo. >>>> >>>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you >>>> need >>>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>>> FTDNA). >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Jim White >>>> Naples, Florida >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Jim, The admin for the L21 Project states that SNP L21+ represents a change of nucleotide at the location on the y chromosome known as rs11799226. We have a G there - whatever that represents. L21/S145 is represented under haplogroup R1b1b2a1b6. Check out http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml On the main page you can also scroll down to several maps. Lee Ramsey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim White Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA Hi Woody: Could you advise, where on the FTDNA Site, they show that R1b1b2 is concentrated in Western Britain, etc ? I also am L21. What is R-L-21 ? What is the 11-13 Combo ? (sounds like a Breakfast @ Denny's). As I am a relative DNA novice, thesae terms are all new to me. Regards Jim White Naples, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.F. Stephens" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA >I had a 37 marker Y DNA done by FTYDNA and am R1b1b2. According to their > site, the highest concentrations of R1b1b2 are in western Britain > (Cornwall > & Wales), Scotland, Isle of Man, and Ireland, all areas of predominately > Celtic settlement. I've also been tested for R-L21 and have the 11-13 > Combo. Now, there is some indication that R-L21* 11-13 Combo is thought > to > indicate Norman origin. Of course, the Normans were essentially > Norwegians. > All the areas where R1b1b2 is concentrated in Europe were, at one time or > another, raided, invaded, and/or settled by the Norse or Danes. One of my > families is McLaughlin, i.e., Son of Norway, Lo(a)chland being the Gaelic > name of Norway, Lake Land. If only they had tested for DNA back in the > 5th > to 17th centuries. > > Woody Stephens > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:27 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [S-I] More on DNA > >> Perhaps Dan Wilson will pop in here since it was he that I was quoting >> when I made the comment about R1b1b2 being mostly Celtic Irish. I >> think HE has a much better grasp of things-DNA than I ever will. And >> of course I know Linda does too. As I've said to somebody else this >> morning already, "I'm just flappin' around like a bird that's hit the >> window" when it comes to DNA. Trying hard to learn though! I'm waiting >> to see what Linda or Dan say to you. >> >> Ruth in Ottawa >> >> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Jim White <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ruth: >>> I was interested in your comment that R1b1b2 are "most Celtic Irish". I >>> am >>> R1b1b2, and my earliest known ancestor wasd born in Sligo, ca 1765. I >>> have >>> assumed, from some vague information, that my White ancestors came from >>> England, ca 1710, as part of a plan to develop- the Linen Trade in >>> Sligo. >>> >>> Is it likely that an R1b1b2 came from Southern England ? (or do you need >>> much more of the DNA signature? I have taken the 67 marker DNA test at >>> FTDNA). >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Jim White >>> Naples, Florida >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5026 (20100413) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message