Dan, that was great information to have. Now, can you tell me how to convince my brother, the only living male relative in my family, to do the testing? He's paranoid about something, don't know if it is credit card theft, identity theft or what ;-) . "Aging is mind over matter . If you don't mind, it does not matter." Shirley Newbold [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:01:45 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. More on DNA (Daniel Wilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:10:34 -0700 > From: Daniel Wilson <[email protected]> > Subject: [S-I] More on DNA > To: Scotch-Irish Discussion List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I had to chuckle at the people and all the questions about Y-DNA, > because I had (have) the same questions. In general, the more markers > you have tested, the more confidence you can have in the results. The 25 > marker comparisons are almost useless as they give too many matches to > be realistic. FTDNA diplays your matches for 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers, > and I see that a number of those who matched exactly with 12 markers, > fell of the list when we looked at 37 markers. Ditto for the 67 markers. > > I have a good paper trail of my Wilsons back to Coleraine, some from > Ballywillan parish and some from Dunboe. In fact I even found their > names in the records of the First Dunboe Presbyterian church and walked > the old streets of Articlave and Ballywildrick - a bit spooky I'll > admit, but fun in any case. So, when I had my Y-DNA analyzed by FTDNA, > thought for sure it would come back as R1b1b2 as most Cletic Irish do, > but I was surprised when my haplogroup turned out to be I1a - Nordic! > that means my ancient ancestor probably came from Norway or Denmark and > was among the Vikings that eventually stayed in Ireland (or possibly > Scotland or England - the Danelaw, etc.) Using Y-SEARCH, and the matches > by FTDNA, I was able to find 4 perfect matches at 37 markers and one at > 67 markers with a genetic distance of 1 (we matched on 66 of 67 markers). > > FTDNA has some faculty at the University of Arizona who compute the > probabilities of matches, and they claim that the guy I matched on the > 67 markers had a common ancestor with me about 300 years ago, with a > probability of about .96. That's pretty high if you're not up on > probability theory. One of these days I'm going to sit down and figure > out how they came up with .96! > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 > ******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Probably the best thing to do is search for some simple information explaining why Y DNA testing doesn't expose the family jewells (sorry....couldn't resist!). I was searching for some yesterday at ftdna and didn't find any. It's programmers must all have phds....it's one of the problems with DNA testing firms -- too esoteric. You can search the archives of the newbie list, for example, and find articles at ancestry.com, etc. What I did was forwarded the fearful one the public page of the project which had some kit numbers, names of the oldest known ancestor (not the testee's) and a string of weird numbers. .The only thing you can get from that is suggestions for the lottery. You can't connect these to any living human. Sometimes people give out their logons and passwords. Now this is not smart because that lets them access your name, address, etc. Instead try to figure out how to upload the data to ysearch (This can be difficult due to programmers with Phds but if you email familytreeDNA, my experience is they are always helpful -- and they need to know their design is hard to navigate). Then send the person the Ysearch ID. Or point them to a project (I am Kit 34343 in the FISH project at <URL>). Where people do expose their testing themselves to their doctors (and thus insurance firms) is with the autosomal testing). This tests ALL your chromosomes. It could find genes associated with known diseases and if these show up on y our report of course you would want to alert your doctor so he/she could watch out for these situations. If you don't tell the doctor, no one would know you had any DNA tested. I suppose the police could find a DNA sample at a crime scene and have it tested and look for matches in Ysearch and find your DNA matches and force the firm via search warrant to identify the donor and show up at your house trying to figure out if it is you or your brother or your 37th cousin but I've not heard of this happening....could be a topic for the DNA lists -- could this happen? I donno enough to say yes or no. But don't bring it up to your brother. I'm no expert, so I don't know. Credit cards don't have anything to do with DNA -- y ou can also be invoiced for the kit. It is very common to have a third party pay for it and they don't tend to mess this up. I doubt his DNA matches his credit card number <grin>. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Newbold" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 9, 2010 10:37:28 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [S-I] Y-DNA Dan, that was great information to have. Now, can you tell me how to convince my brother, the only living male relative in my family, to do the testing? He's paranoid about something, don't know if it is credit card theft, identity theft or what ;-) . "Aging is mind over matter . If you don't mind, it does not matter." Shirley Newbold [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:01:45 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. More on DNA (Daniel Wilson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:10:34 -0700 > From: Daniel Wilson <[email protected]> > Subject: [S-I] More on DNA > To: Scotch-Irish Discussion List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I had to chuckle at the people and all the questions about Y-DNA, > because I had (have) the same questions. In general, the more markers > you have tested, the more confidence you can have in the results. The 25 > marker comparisons are almost useless as they give too many matches to > be realistic. FTDNA diplays your matches for 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers, > and I see that a number of those who matched exactly with 12 markers, > fell of the list when we looked at 37 markers. Ditto for the 67 markers. > > I have a good paper trail of my Wilsons back to Coleraine, some from > Ballywillan parish and some from Dunboe. In fact I even found their > names in the records of the First Dunboe Presbyterian church and walked > the old streets of Articlave and Ballywildrick - a bit spooky I'll > admit, but fun in any case. So, when I had my Y-DNA analyzed by FTDNA, > thought for sure it would come back as R1b1b2 as most Cletic Irish do, > but I was surprised when my haplogroup turned out to be I1a - Nordic! > that means my ancient ancestor probably came from Norway or Denmark and > was among the Vikings that eventually stayed in Ireland (or possibly > Scotland or England - the Danelaw, etc.) Using Y-SEARCH, and the matches > by FTDNA, I was able to find 4 perfect matches at 37 markers and one at > 67 markers with a genetic distance of 1 (we matched on 66 of 67 markers). > > FTDNA has some faculty at the University of Arizona who compute the > probabilities of matches, and they claim that the guy I matched on the > 67 markers had a common ancestor with me about 300 years ago, with a > probability of about .96. That's pretty high if you're not up on > probability theory. One of these days I'm going to sit down and figure > out how they came up with .96! > > Dan > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 5, Issue 113 > ******************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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