Ruth (and Linda), I can understand how you feel. My dad was always told that his Armstrongs were Scottish. I know the Armstrongs were a big Borders clan, many of them very pesty aggravators of the English crown, who raided on both sides of the Borders and in the late 1500s had many of the clan shipped up to Northern Ireland. Since doing my own research I have found that the family came from Termonmaguirk area in Omagh district in Co. Tyrone. Hoping perhaps to meet up with some "cousins" through Y-DNA testing, I got my male cousin on my paternal side, an Armstrong man, that is, to contribute a few cheek cells so I could find out my Armstrong Y-DNA of my particular family. I have my info on the Family Tree DNA on the Armstrong group and a couple of others and have had only a couple of 25-marker matches, both with different surnames, and neither or which wants to play genealogy with me. (I always said if I found a 25 marker match I'd go for a bigger number, but so far I don't have any) LINDA...my haplogroup was first said to be R1b1c but now it's classed as to be R1b1b2..so I am confused, and my ancestor is in the "unassigned" section of the Armstrong DNA group. The closest deep ancestry of mine, the most recent bunch, is said to be England, Germany, Holland,Ireland, New Zealand, Northern Ireland and Scotland. New Zealand???? How does that work in? Now...how do I try to interpret stuff like this and how come I never find a "cousin". Do I have a weird haplogroup, or what? I suppose, since my DNA is "unassigned" that must mean that it can't be put in any specific group of testees who mostly seem to have some group to which they at least somewhat closely match. Like Ruth, I can't see that I can get any real info from the DNA results I have. I've had my info on Family Tree DNA for over 3 years with nary a bite. Thanks for any insight! Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth McLaughlin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... > Very interesting post, Linda. > > When a family member tests and family turns out to be "Northwest > Irish," does that mean they have to be R1b of one kind of another? Or > are they are a particular R1b category? Or not necessarily either of > the above?