Linda, The Y6VDW is on ysearch. It is right next to the 1st one I sent you. I was stupid and didn't look that the 1st one was only 12 markers. The other one is more, but I'm not sure if it is 67 or not. Please take a look. I have been trying for years to figure this one out! Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 7:13:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Bonnie, no I didn't check a kit. One can't check a kit at Family Tree DNA unless it is your own or it is a match of yours or it is in the same project as you are. Privacy and all that. 12 markers is like 'Crackers". They come in lots of different types. You are saying that some kits that appear (somewhere) to have more than 12 markers tested are whole wheat, and based on that you seem to be asking if that means yours are whole wheat, even though the software at Family Tree DNA apparently won't predict if yours are whole wheat or seseme or lowfat tofu crackers. Ysearch says the haplogroup is unknown. That means it's unknown <grin>!! Seriously, the software is much more sophisticated than we are at this and 12 provides so few data points that in y our case it can't even make a guess. Just because some crackers are whole wheat doesn't mean yours is -- the only way to know is to gather more data. Like I said before, if you asked about this on the genealogy dna list, most people wouldn't pay you the time of day because you have only 12 markers tested. If you are sensing a great silence it's because you don't have enough data to bother with. Seriously. I would expect Coil to turn up north west Irish because it's a north west Irish surname but I wouldn't bet 2 cents on it <grin>! 12 markers probably shouldn't be sold. It's not enough, generally, to tell much. Rather than trying to guess what it is, use the time to find a job, earn money, and upgrade to 67. Seriously, if the DNA is north west Irish you need 67 markers because, like I said, the DNA is very alike. With 37 you can't tell if someone is or is not related. With 67 it's fairly clear. This is what the geneticists told us and they were right. It's less than $300. For $300 you cannot do a lot of genealogy. It's cheap. Best of luck with the upgrading..... and nighty night! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:44:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... Did you check kit number 10864? It and several other kits appear to be more than 12 markers. One says R1B1B2. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:38:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Bonnie, Well you only tested 12 markers which doesn't appear to be enough to even predict the haplogroup. To find out more you have to upgrade and get more testing done. These 12 marker tests -- the 'experts' wonder why the companies even offer them. They're not too useful. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:09:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... Linda, It's under ysearch.org or familytreedna.com. Under ysearch you look for Coil then click on the WCCR3 kit number. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:04:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No that's not all <grin>.What website do I go to view it? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:58:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... It's under Coil the number is WCCR3.Is that all you need? It is an R1B1 group. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 5:24:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: www.ysearch.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Bonnie, sorry but I'm not able to analyze the meager results. No one can. 12 markers is not enough in your case to identify the haplo group. I know that because .I look at what the software says at Ysearch and it indicates that your Haplogroup is unknown. Now this stuff is so sophisticated that if it errs in predicting your haplogroup FTDNA will do additional testing free. That's what it says in my account at Familytreemaker -- where my dad is eligible for a SNP test that will positively identify his predicted haplogroup. However in y our case the software doesn't have enough data to make any prediction at all. Yet you think ****I***** can? My dear, I cannot..... Not a clue. You say you've been working on this for years? I am sure you've been told to test more markers before. I only see 12 in Ysearch. That's why you can't get even a guess from the software on your haplogroup. Upgrade and get more markers tested. The matches you get at 12 can be all kinds of things. You cannot deduce from the matches what you are. You must upgrade if you really want to know. Or you will never know. I already said this in a couple emails, but once again: In Ireland you really need 67 markers (though you can no doubt get a prediction by upgrading to 37) if you expect to find significant matches that will tell you where your ancestors came from and who they might be related to. It's a case of 'we have seen the enemy and he is us' -- you are blockading success by refusing to upgrade, advice I am sure you have been given before. Do some constructive work and upgrade. Then you won't need to try to get someone to tell you what the haplogroup is: you'll have enough data that the software can tell. Best of luck, Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 10:46:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... Linda, The Y6VDW is on ysearch. It is right next to the 1st one I sent you. I was stupid and didn't look that the 1st one was only 12 markers. The other one is more, but I'm not sure if it is 67 or not. Please take a look. I have been trying for years to figure this one out! Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 7:13:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Bonnie, no I didn't check a kit. One can't check a kit at Family Tree DNA unless it is your own or it is a match of yours or it is in the same project as you are. Privacy and all that. 12 markers is like 'Crackers". They come in lots of different types. You are saying that some kits that appear (somewhere) to have more than 12 markers tested are whole wheat, and based on that you seem to be asking if that means yours are whole wheat, even though the software at Family Tree DNA apparently won't predict if yours are whole wheat or seseme or lowfat tofu crackers. Ysearch says the haplogroup is unknown. That means it's unknown <grin>!! Seriously, the software is much more sophisticated than we are at this and 12 provides so few data points that in y our case it can't even make a guess. Just because some crackers are whole wheat doesn't mean yours is -- the only way to know is to gather more data. Like I said before, if you asked about this on the genealogy dna list, most people wouldn't pay you the time of day because you have only 12 markers tested. If you are sensing a great silence it's because you don't have enough data to bother with. Seriously. I would expect Coil to turn up north west Irish because it's a north west Irish surname but I wouldn't bet 2 cents on it <grin>! 12 markers probably shouldn't be sold. It's not enough, generally, to tell much. Rather than trying to guess what it is, use the time to find a job, earn money, and upgrade to 67. Seriously, if the DNA is north west Irish you need 67 markers because, like I said, the DNA is very alike. With 37 you can't tell if someone is or is not related. With 67 it's fairly clear. This is what the geneticists told us and they were right. It's less than $300. For $300 you cannot do a lot of genealogy. It's cheap. Best of luck with the upgrading..... and nighty night! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:44:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... Did you check kit number 10864? It and several other kits appear to be more than 12 markers. One says R1B1B2. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:38:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Bonnie, Well you only tested 12 markers which doesn't appear to be enough to even predict the haplogroup. To find out more you have to upgrade and get more testing done. These 12 marker tests -- the 'experts' wonder why the companies even offer them. They're not too useful. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:09:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... Linda, It's under ysearch.org or familytreedna.com. Under ysearch you look for Coil then click on the WCCR3 kit number. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:04:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No that's not all <grin>.What website do I go to view it? Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:58:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Quiet List so..... It's under Coil the number is WCCR3.Is that all you need? It is an R1B1 group. Bonnie In a message dated 4/8/2010 5:24:23 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: www.ysearch.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message