What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what district was the land in? Where in Ireland was your POI? I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they would then sell off. Judy wrote: At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >I am trying to prove all of this. -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon
Judy: Normally, the application was made in Ontario, from specially appointed Land Grand Sites, appointed by the government. Depending on where the person wanted to locate, would indicate where the application site would be. There were many Canada Land Agents in Ireland, handing out multiple page instructions, on how to apply for a land grand in Ontario. I am not aware of any that could be made while in Ireland. Many/most of these can be obtained on the internet. Many can also be obtained on the "The Ships List" Web Site. You may also want to subscribe to the Can/Ont/York , or Can/Ont/Upper Canada Rootsweb Mailing Lists, which would be able to supply most of this info. Regards Jim White Naples, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Young" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land > What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when > your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what > district was the land in? > > Where in Ireland was your POI? > > I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in > Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland > probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they > would then sell off. > > Judy wrote: > > At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >>The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >>consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >>The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >>children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >>this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >>I am trying to prove all of this. > > > > > > -- > David N Young > San Diego, CA > researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5117 (20100515) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5117 (20100515) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com
This is complicated....so I just have to get little sections of information to get to the big picture. I am trying to determine how possible would it have been for a person who lived in Ireland in 1840 to buy 100 acres in Canada. This would have been in Ontario, Canada. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Young" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:52:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what district was the land in? Where in Ireland was your POI? I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they would then sell off. Judy wrote: At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >I am trying to prove all of this. -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Where in Ontario, Judy? There are wonderful land records in Ontario. I live in Ontario and might hazard a guess if I knew where. We know when -- 1840, but where along with when is key. Ruth Sent from my iPod On 2010-05-29, at 7:31 PM, Judy Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is complicated....so I just have to get little sections of > information to get to the big picture. I am trying to determine how > possible would it have been for a person who lived in Ireland in > 1840 to buy 100 acres in Canada. This would have been in Ontario, > Canada. > > > > Judy > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Young" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:52:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land > > What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when > your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what > district was the land in? > > Where in Ireland was your POI? > > I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in > Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland > probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they > would then sell off. > > Judy wrote: > > At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >> The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >> consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >> The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >> children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >> this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >> I am trying to prove all of this. > > > > > > -- > David N Young > San Diego, CA > researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message
Hi Judy, what is key is to view the earliest recorded deed or grant as well as to know the history of the immediate area. As I already said, unless the person was claiming land as a settler under some specific legislature, he just paid some money. There were plenty of lawyers and banksand merchants through which to work to do this although one might use a private person -- a relative, friend, neighbor. Obviously a person able to put up cash for land in Canada probably was better off than the average person. It signals that it might be useful to search the deeds for an inheritance (sometimes recorded as a memorial) or a sale of land in Ulster. Of course it was legal for a resident of one British country to own land in another, if that is your concern. That had been going on since the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Another way people in Ireland came by land overseas is inheritance. LOTS of people inherited land that way. They were not forced to immigrate. Supposedly if they abandoned the property and didn't pay taxes before too long, just like now, your property is resold to someone who will pay taxes on it. I've seen lots and lots of placenames in Ireland in wills and deeds in the USA -- and the same is true for Ontario. This is a general statement -- we know nothing about the specific county and township and whether it was a designated military area, an Indian reservation, etc, etc... In some US locales mortages survive and are microfilmed -- some of these are private mortgates (Person A agrees to purchase the land for Person B, who agrees to pay person A. If Person B gets behind on his payments, Person A sues him. I 've seen cases where Person B was taken to court and over and over for non-payment). These days banks loan the money. Back then, more likely some rich uncle would do it or some other connection. This is different from the method of settling and developing the land, raising a few years crops and getting cash which was then applied to the warrant, survey, and purchase grant, or whatever remained to be done. No matter the locale, generally the legislatures had to eventually secure the rights of the small voter and settler over the rich land speculator who might have purchased thousands of acres with no intention of settling on them -- while he lived in luxury back east somewheres. In the USA landowners who supported the British lost their land after the Revolution, but of course that's not a problem in Canada. Some were awarded land in Canada for their service in the Revolution -- another way Canadians got land from the government without paying for it. Usually the history of the township will tell you if United Empire Loyalists or soldiers settled there. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Anderson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:31:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land This is complicated....so I just have to get little sections of information to get to the big picture. I am trying to determine how possible would it have been for a person who lived in Ireland in 1840 to buy 100 acres in Canada. This would have been in Ontario, Canada. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Young" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:52:22 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what district was the land in? Where in Ireland was your POI? I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they would then sell off. Judy wrote: At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >I am trying to prove all of this. -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi David, Perhaps he sent the money over and it was purchased for him by his uncle, who had already settled there. Not everyone in Ireland was a tenant farmer. There was a middle class of lawyers, doctors, merchants, ministers, etc. and they did get disposable tax. One way would be to inherit cash or a small property, which you could sell and send on to Canada to make sure you got a plot of land near your dear uncle or the other fellow in the village who left two years ago or your wife's brother. Not having any idea of the amount of land purchased or the rate, can't tell if the guy was given a cash grant after the old master died for his lifetime of devoted service or was the second son of a prosperous merchant in Belfast. Again, perhaps his wife and children died. This happened a lot -- due to an epidemic the whole family is lost and you start over again. Only he didn't. Or he wasn't too practical and was duped by his brother who wanted to enlarge his farm all along and while his brother in Ireland was sure he'd recover and come over to Canada, the Canadian brother was pretty sure, due to letters from the neighbors, he'd be standing in front of St. Peter before long -- and so he was. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Young" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:52:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Owning Land What is the basis for your theory that the land was purchased when your POI [person of interest] was in Ireland? What township and what district was the land in? Where in Ireland was your POI? I seriously doubt a "normal" person in Ireland could purchase land in Canada in abstentia. However, the land barons [literally] in Ireland probably could have purchased or been given large tracts that they would then sell off. Judy wrote: At 12:26 PM -0600 5/29/10, [email protected] wrote: >The land was purchased in Ontario in 1839 from a private person? It >consisted of 100 acres.? This individual died in Canada in 1858.? >The land was willed to his brother.? In his will he lists no wife or >children and is buried near his brother ALONE.? Almost everyone has >this guy married with about 7 kids which I believe to be wrong.? So >I am trying to prove all of this. -- David N Young San Diego, CA researching Young, Norwood, Barrons, Smith, Pocock, Peacock, Moon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message