Do you think the name Large or Lar'ge is Palatine rather than Hugenot? I'm trying to trace my mothers family of Larges from Ohio and Illinois back from 1850 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [S-I] Palatine History Hi folks, in exploring today's free Global Genealogy newsletter, it announced a book "The Irish Palatines in Ontario: Religion, Ethnicity, and Rural Migration - Second Edition By Carolyn A. Heald. Published by Global Heritage Press. This new book provides a broad history of the Palatines in Ontario, where they came from, where they settled, and what characterized their communities. It is not a catalogue of every Irish Palatine who settled in Ontario. However, the book does contain lists of individuals and many references to specific persons and families. In this new second edition of The Irish Palatines in Ontario the author has corrected known errors from the original 1994 edition and added a completely new chapter on Barbara Heck and the Loyalist Palatines plus other refinements and new material. " http://www.globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/ I then found a website: http://www.irishpalatines.org/ and a free book: http://www.irishpalatines.org/about/history.html The story of the Palatines: An episode in colonial history book now in zotero. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Connie, have you checked the books? Our opinions are hardly worth a cent -- but the opinion of a scholar who has studied the matter and written a book on it is much more interesting. You have to remember too that these categories are not 'disjoint' and they often come with a political meaning besides an ethnic. Germany didn't gel as a country till the mid 1800s or later (can't recall offhand). It was a group of small principalities. You have areas too in Europea that had sizable groups of French speakers and also people who spoke Walloon or German. Some of these areas changed hands like the phases of the moon. One week they were French and the next a part of a German kingdom. Napoleon in the early 1800s conquered his way through this area and united the Germans for the first time. What's a Palatine? If you read a few books (and you should if you are interested in this topic -- you can read some free ones at google books). It's a Protestant from the Palatinate. Check a map. This area was resettled by people from other areas. "Germany" endured several wars that destroyed much of its populace and after the Thirty Years War, these depopulated areas were resettled. What I'm saying to you is that the people who became known as the Palatinates hadn't lived in the Palatine for long-- as a group. Individual cases might vary. Their surnames show a lot of different roots including some probably French -- from the 'debatable lands' of Europe -- some of the people there were of French ethnicity and some German, Waloon, etc. What is a Huguenot? A French Protestant; however generally they were forced to go to England earlier. They are (and here's the political part) people persecuted for being Protestant. Many were middle class or higher. They actually came in two waves of persecution, earlier in the 1500s and early 1600s. It is very possible that some French speaking Protestants lived in areas of Europe where they were not forced to flee and later left as part of the Palatine migration. So what I am saying is the two categories are not disjoint. They overlap or well could overlap. You need to find a copy of Falley "Irish and Scotch Irish Family Research" and read the chapters on these people so you are familiar with them and their records and you can figure out which yours are. If you are still try ing to get east of the Alleghenies, this is for amusement purposes only. It is axiomatic in genealogy that you work from the present to the past. You need to gather clues. If you don't know where or when your ancestors can to America, you have no data to begin assessing where they were before or what their prior ethnicity was. But of course you will do this any way because you are normal like the rest of us!! It's a no-brainer to figure out who these two groups were. That's because (as I learned in Falley, the Bible of Irish genealogy) they were settled by the government. They became English subjects by acts of Parliament. Their names are in the parliamentary records. Furthermore, these names are collected and well known and documented in books and websites. You may have issues with trying to prove you descend from a particular man who became a British subject by an act of Parliament, but that this man was naturalized -- like I said, that's a no brainer. We just got to look them up in the right places. There are societies that study the history of both groups, manned by scholars who have studied them for long period of times. The opinions of these people are much more interesting than yours or mine. It's like asking the foot doctor for an opinion on your brain tumor. It ain't the guy's specialty. If you seriously want your brain tumor to go away, find a brain surgeon, not a foot doctor. We're, alas, not even foot doctors. It's more like asking the janitor to ask us. We are not scholars. The most we can do is point you to some books written by scholars. Focus on getting them over the Alleghenies. Lar'ge is not a French usage of the '. Here you might be running into something thing that you encounter in Ireland, though not generally in Ulster. Someone was trying to construct for himself a Norman past, which he may or not have in reality. DNA will tell the truth. The case that comes to mind is the D'Altons of Limerick. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Dankesreiter" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:48:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [S-I] Palatine History Do you think the name Large or Lar'ge is Palatine rather than Hugenot? I'm trying to trace my mothers family of Larges from Ohio and Illinois back from 1850 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [S-I] Palatine History Hi folks, in exploring today's free Global Genealogy newsletter, it announced a book "The Irish Palatines in Ontario: Religion, Ethnicity, and Rural Migration - Second Edition By Carolyn A. Heald. Published by Global Heritage Press. This new book provides a broad history of the Palatines in Ontario, where they came from, where they settled, and what characterized their communities. It is not a catalogue of every Irish Palatine who settled in Ontario. However, the book does contain lists of individuals and many references to specific persons and families. In this new second edition of The Irish Palatines in Ontario the author has corrected known errors from the original 1994 edition and added a completely new chapter on Barbara Heck and the Loyalist Palatines plus other refinements and new material. " http://www.globalgenealogy.com/countries/ireland/ I then found a website: http://www.irishpalatines.org/ and a free book: http://www.irishpalatines.org/about/history.html The story of the Palatines: An episode in colonial history book now in zotero. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message