If he /she can get permission. Some Church of Ireland parishes will not let people look at their records without going through many hoops. Incidentally many church records are not too accurate either. It all depends on when the Minister took his notes from his notebook and put them in the Register! I for instance am in the parish register as child of my Uncle and Aunt so not all idiots are outside the Church! Ella -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D H Sent: 11 November 2011 08:38 To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] BMD 1690 - 1800 records from CHEWEM Ehhh...some mouthful there Linda, agree with everything you say!! The starting date for C of I basically start in a parish when someone decided to start them. some go back to 1600's, others start in 1800's so there is no answer to "When did church of I records start?" As for;.. "The first attempt had each county funded to hire some local eejit to locate and index records into a computer. Then the diaspora wrote letters enclosing cash." ..... I agree whole heartedly...you got some local eejit who MIGHT be able to use a computer to put records together, he in turn got a few other eejits to help, these were unemployed eejits who got a few extra pounds a week on top of their unemployment money to put in data. These eejits, in general, could not care any less about accuracy....These records are as good as using a paper bag to carry water!! I've seen some of these records and I can tell you I have had nothing but trouble from "relatives" contacting me insisting they are related...GRRRRRR and all because these eejits have put 1 + 1 together to make 3! Yes the records may look right but they are far from it..the hub of my family stem from Co. Monaghan and I've seen tree after tree on Ancestry with these "eejit records" used, they are PUBLIC TREES and becoming gospel! more GRRRRRR.. These have also been put on Familysearch by submitters who think they have their tree correct, I've looked up some of mine and can't believe my eyes!!!...even more GRRRRRRRRR The records of The Established Church of England and Ireland are public records, the Church Of Ireland are not. I have also seen indices of Church Records put together by these eejits stating records for a particular church 'don't exist/destroyed in Dublin', when in fact the records do indeed exist.... more GRRRRR.. So far, I've only had these bad experiences in Co. Monaghan...oh if only they had allowed unemployed people with a modicum of interest in Genealogy to compile them!!! Neither Familysearch, nor the submitters, nor Ancestry Tree Owners can be blamed for putting up what they believe to be true.... the fault lies, as you say, with these eejits!!!! These "expert" records have done more harm than good!!! To call them eejits is an insult to eejits!! I've even fallen out with a distant cousin I've never met because she insisted she was my g/aunt because these "records" told her so!! I could go GRRRRRR here but I won't. Some of these eejits actually believe they are now experts and are too thick to realize the damage they have done. Thankfully it doesn't annoy me as you can see! AS FOR... "Some of the people hired were more fit for herding sheep. Standards were not maintained."... This is an insult to shepherds who are quite intelligent... :-))) As for standards.... What standards??? ________________________________________ To other poster; As you can see, the best and most reliable way to get Tuam records would be for your cousin to take a spin over from Fermanagh to look at them if they are in Tuam. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ On 10/11/2011 15:52, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:59:43 +0000 (UTC) > From:lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [S-I] BMD 1690 - 1800 records from TUAM > To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <147368241.2328006.1320937183166.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Sean, I don't recall mentioning any bmds from Galway or anywhere else. I mentioned a website: > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ It is the last in a series of attempts by the Irish to provide access to BMDs in a way that didn't result in them being cursed widely on the Internet for a variety of faults or sins, while harvesting money from the diaspora (a diaspora that expects everything for nothing). > > The first attempt had each county funded to hire some local eejit to locate and index records into a computer. Then the diaspora wrote letters enclosing cash. This didn't work out too well because some counties did good but some really bad. Some of the people hired were more fit for herding sheep. Standards were not maintained. The diaspora didn't want to wait months after sending large amounts of cash to a foreign country, especially when they got no results or responses other than the canceled check. Some of course did much better. > > This attempt has aggregated the indexes into one database which is free on the Internet. Then the diaspora can do the searching themselves. They are directed to the website of the county and once they pay some cash, are provided on line with a transcription of the actual text. Or (and) they can order up a copy of the real thing. Of course it might be in the FHL but as we know from the Scots, it is not so hard to get the diaspora to pay money for what they could get free or almost if they learned a bit. They want instant access and so they pay for it. > > In many cases the indexes and records, before, could only be got by hiring someone in Dublin if not locally (not all in Dublin, but most were). Meanwhile the law prosecuted a few bishops who wouldn't let anyone see the records (parts of Limerick come to mind). While they were ruled public records, if I recall correctly, I don't know if one can get access to all of them right now. The local genealogy centre can tell you. The Limerick ones were filmed and in Dublin but no one was allowed to view them. I was dealing with a case in Limerick, which is why it is on my mind. We located the ancestor without needing to bother with the bishop, thank heavens. Or is he an archbishop? I donno...I know he's a pain, but that's all. > > It's a bit of a wide sweep to claim that no records are recorded before a certain date. Actually the CHurch of IReland records begin much earlier. However not all parishes survive due to the Four Courts Fire. Many Irish and Presbyterians were baptized in the Church of Ireland. In the first course you take in Irish genealogy they tell you ALWAYS check those records. How? Well, you just did at the site above. Try IGI. Also using Ryan "Irish Records", identify the status of parish records surrounding where your ancestor lived. It'll tell you if they were locally held or microfilmed at the date of publication of the book. > > > Happy hunting, > > Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message