Re: Linda Merle's message "3" below on DNA Made Simple Hi Linda, I learned another great tidbit from your message regarding people signing with 'X' in the old days. You mentioned the possibility that a person in Ireland could well have signed their name but rather than appear uppity the person would sign with an X. Hope I translated that tidbit in my brain correctly. lol I have a tiny bit of new info I learned last month at a DAR genealogy seminar in Whitney, TX. It surprised me very much. First, I will 'Bold & Italicise' only the section of your message that my new bit pertains to on why there can be several spellings of the same name in the same deed or will filed at the courthouse. 2nd, I will add my 'new bit learned' at the bottom of this message. On 12/13/2011 9:19 AM, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re; Scotch-Irish Merchants in Colonial America (D H) > 2. Re: DNA Made Simple (john.hume) > 3. Re: DNA Made Simple (lmerle@comcast.net) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:19:27 +0000 (UTC) > From: lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <378540863.1101607.1323789567110.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > Hi John, ... It's harder in the New World, I think, where there were more dialects and less education. People in a parish in the hills of Virginia, for example, could have come, and did come, from 'all over', not just Britain, but France, Germany, Holland, etc. Some were native speakers of the evolving local dialect. Others just hopped off the boat. In some cases you can find a man's surname spelled multiple ways in a deed or will (I've seen both). /*He didn't write the deed or will. The clerk did.*/ Sometimes the only way to determine if there is one man or several is to seek out additional information, such as locale, associates, and his wife. > For example there were two men named William McCarmack/McCarmish etc in Old Bedford County in the 1770s and 80s. One I was an Irish immigrant living on Little Wreck Island and one the son of Micajah McCarmack, whose place of residence I forget. However when about 1786 or so the county was divided up, one was still in Bedford (Micajah's son) and one was in the new Campbell County. That was the Irish immigrant because Little Wreck Island was in it. And when he split for Tennessee, only one appeared in the tax records for the area -- Micajah's son in Bedford. All these guys and several other families are indexed together in the deed book, court records (Micajah's family sued everyone, especially each other), and will book. Their surname spellings were entirely inconsistent and greatly varied. Sometimes the only way to tell which guy it was was by who he was suing or wheeling and dealing in land. Micajah's family endlessly did land deals, often with the Wrights, one of the leadi! > ng families of the area. The McCamish boys never seemed to have left their plot. Carriers of the M222 variant and late of Tyrone, they'd learned how to survive among the Proddy mackerels: keep the head down out of the line of fire. > > > So if you do get 'stuck' somewhere in the past, revisit surname spelling variants. It might help. > > Linda Merle -- in cold but sunny Pennsylvania > *Cindy's New Bit Learned!!* Regarding your . /*He didn't write the deed or will. The clerk did. */Speaker Marcy ?? of Dallas area said that often the reason we find a variation of spellings on the same surname in a deed, will, etc. is that a courthouse clerk was transcribing and filing the document for the court. The clerk wanted to ensure that the document's surnames could be located thru a variety of spellings. I have a deed on a very dead end 1743 McIntire, Falmouth/Portland, Maine. We, me and several other 4th & 5th McIntire/McIntyre cousins originally from Maine, one from Dallas, TX , one from state of Washington, one from Australia) have reached a dead end on our Henry, Henery, Hanery, Henary, Hanary, etc. McIntire/McIntyre. No connections yet to the many McIntires of Maine & Massachusetts who have been illuminated in at least 3 McIntire, etc. books. I digress. The deed is below as a sample of the various spelllings of the 2 primary parties in a 1743 deed that I transcribed as best I could. Bk 2/P 478 Henry Mcintire of Falmouth Hannah Coy, John Coy's daughter of County Essex Massachusetts. (see photocopy of P.479 which has lots of detail - TYPED below) P. 479: by Benjamin Blackstone of the Town of Fa/mouth in the County of York Yeoman and Henry Mackentire of the Same Town Husbandman The Receipt whereof we do hereby acknowledge and our selves therewith fully consented satisfied and paid have therefore given granted bargained sold aliened ensconced conveyed and past over and do by these presents fully freely clearly and absolutely give grant bargain sell aliene ensconce convey and pass over unto them the P.? Benjamin Blackstone and Henry McEntire their heirs and assigns forever Sixty acres of Land lying in the Town of Fa/mouth aforesd at a Place called New Casco which Sixty Acres of Land is bounded as followeth beginning of the northerly corner of a lot of land laid out to Warren Drinkwater from thence running north 45 deg. East Sixty Rods to a stake from thence running north 45 deg West one hundred and sixty rods to a stake from thence running South 45 deg West Sixty rods to the land of Drinkwater and so by the land of Drinkwater to ye bounds first mentioned only allowing a convenient highway throught the same together with all the priviledges and appurtenances to the same now being or ever may be from thence arising ---- To Have and to hold all and singular the above granted premises free and clear from us the P.? Hannah Coy and Mary Gilbert our heirs Executors and Administrators unto them the said Blackstone and Mackentire their heirs Executors Administrators and assigns hereby giving unto them quiet and peaceable possession of all and Singular the above granted premises the which they their heirs and assigns shall and may from time to time and at all times forever hereafter have hold use occupy possess and enjoy to their entire use benefit and behoof forever and furthermore we the P.? Hannah Coy and Mary Gilbert for our selves our heirs Executors & Administrators do promise grant and covenant to and with the P.? Blackstone and McEntire their heirs and assigns in manner and form following that is to say untill the ensealing and delivery of these presents we are the true and lawful owners of the above granted land and have in ourselves good right full power and authority to make conveyance as is above expressed and furthermore that we will from time to time and at all times forever hereafter warrant and defend the P.? Blackstone and Mackentire their heirs and assigns in the quiet and peaceable possession of the same against all and every person laying any lawful claim unto the same or any part thereof and in witness and confirmation hereof we thoud Hannah Coy & Mary Gilbert have set to our hands & seals the 3d day of September in the 17th year of his majesty's reign anno domini 1743 --- Signed Sealed & Delivered in presence of Ezra? Sargent Junr Ignatius Sargent Hannah Coy Mary Gilbert Essex Co Glocester September 8th 1743 1743?? Recorded 2th Feb 1764 Cindy (McIntire) Johnson