Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among many people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming. Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories. Edward > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol > and Joe Marlo > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hi, Marilyn, > > I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with > possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised.   The > same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with > possible SLOWEY relatives.  I find possible leads, contact > the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail > address, and usually never hear from them again. > > Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else > related to these "close markers"?  Those of us who have that > genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who > just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be > compelled.  Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and > maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. > > Carol > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to > many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show > another side where people might not want to spend the money > for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to > learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry.  I > was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got > tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested > for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match > that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or > even 67 markers if we were both interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her > cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo!  he had the same > surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very > tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not > interested at all in swapping information.  I figure that > with the same markers and the same very small location we are > probably connected not too many generations in the past, but > since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was > all kind of for naught.  I have also had a couple of other > people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping > information, either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of > silly not to go further and to exchange information if not > going for more markers.  It was a real disappointment to > learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange > family information since he is not interested in participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find > another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested > with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to > research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > > > What is the ancestr.s name? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > > > >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that > understanding > >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. > >> > >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting > just the 12 > >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your > father or brother's > >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can > better define the > >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 > markers to 67 > >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My > haplogroup has > >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish > Modal with > >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my > SNP marker L21 > >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been > negative, that > >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several > hundred members who > >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many > having fairly well > >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other > SNPs. However all > >>are searching for even more defining information to > indicate where our > >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish > Cluster there, > >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! > > ,! > >>  there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are > still being defined > >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. > >> > >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA > ancestor's origin > >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the > same or a > >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research > and possibly > >>better define your common ancestor's origin.  Early in my > Y-DNA tests and > >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was > fortunate to > >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched > perfectly at 12, then > >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent  extension to > 111 markers > >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more > mutatable markers. > >>However by working together over about two years, we found > our common > >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are > >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. > >> > >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated > >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male > ancestor being born > >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to > what was to > >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely > Scots-Irish areas > >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. > We also found he > >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel > Boone in Rowan > >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle > of Kings > >>Mountain in 1780. > >> > >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just > >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment > your genealogy > >>research. > >> > >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide > general origins of > >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine > exact origins. It > >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research > since wives' > >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go > further back in > >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American > ancestry, which is > >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and > origins are not > >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my > mtDNA results > >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor > >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. > >> > >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting > DNA tests done, > >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't > answer all the > >>questions you may have because more questions arise with > each new finding. > >> > >>Les Tate > >>========== > >> > >> > >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out > how to read DNA > >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > >>> > >>> Heather > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I can see that; however, it seems odd that anyone who is not interested in learning more about possible "relatives" would even participate in paying for a Y-DNA test at all. I think anyone who has their DNA tested must have SOME reason for doing so, but to me if not genealogy, then what? It's a mystery. I can live with my disappointment, of course, but it would have been fun to have found a distant relative in Co. Tyrone. Ah, well... Thanks, Edward! Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Andrews" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: "'Carol and Joe Marlo'" <carolandjoemarlo@yahoo.com>; <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among > many > people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the > pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming. > > Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group > rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of > grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories. > Edward > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol >> and Joe Marlo >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> Hi, Marilyn, >> >> I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with >> possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The >> same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with >> possible SLOWEY relatives. I find possible leads, contact >> the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail >> address, and usually never hear from them again. >> >> Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else >> related to these "close markers"? Those of us who have that >> genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who >> just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be >> compelled. Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and >> maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. >> >> Carol >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> Hello, folks, >> >> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to >> many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show >> another side where people might not want to spend the money >> for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to >> learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but >> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I >> was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got >> tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested >> for me) for 25 markers. >> >> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match >> that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or >> even 67 markers if we were both interested. >> >> Another participant on this list or another convinced her >> cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same >> surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very >> tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not >> interested at all in swapping information. I figure that >> with the same markers and the same very small location we are >> probably connected not too many generations in the past, but >> since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was >> all kind of for naught. I have also had a couple of other >> people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 >> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping >> information, either. >> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of >> silly not to go further and to exchange information if not >> going for more markers. It was a real disappointment to >> learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange >> family information since he is not interested in participating. >> >> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find >> another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested >> with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to >> research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. >> >> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> >> > What is the ancestr.s name? >> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> > >> > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >> > >> >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that >> understanding >> >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >> >> >> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting >> just the 12 >> >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your >> father or brother's >> >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can >> better define the >> >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 >> markers to 67 >> >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My >> haplogroup has >> >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish >> Modal with >> >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my >> SNP marker L21 >> >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been >> negative, that >> >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several >> hundred members who >> >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many >> having fairly well >> >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other >> SNPs. However all >> >>are searching for even more defining information to >> indicate where our >> >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish >> Cluster there, >> >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >> > ,! >> >> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are >> still being defined >> >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >> >> >> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA >> ancestor's origin >> >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the >> same or a >> >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research >> and possibly >> >>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my >> Y-DNA tests and >> >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was >> fortunate to >> >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched >> perfectly at 12, then >> >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to >> 111 markers >> >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more >> mutatable markers. >> >>However by working together over about two years, we found >> our common >> >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >> >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >> >> >> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >> >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male >> ancestor being born >> >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to >> what was to >> >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely >> Scots-Irish areas >> >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. >> We also found he >> >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel >> Boone in Rowan >> >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle >> of Kings >> >>Mountain in 1780. >> >> >> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >> >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment >> your genealogy >> >>research. >> >> >> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide >> general origins of >> >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine >> exact origins. It >> >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research >> since wives' >> >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go >> further back in >> >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American >> ancestry, which is >> >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and >> origins are not >> >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my >> mtDNA results >> >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >> >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >> >> >> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting >> DNA tests done, >> >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't >> answer all the >> >>questions you may have because more questions arise with >> each new finding. >> >> >> >>Les Tate >> >>========== >> >> >> >> >> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out >> how to read DNA >> >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >> >>> >> >>> Heather >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >