Hi, List, first Merry Christmas Regarding the question, like Linda I've a bit of experience with both the DNA and the Lists. I think I'm more of a fan than Linda may be, but I also might be considered one of her nut cases hahaha. It all depends on perspective. DNA results will not make a lineage -- let's start there, but will it help in sorting out your lineage? Maybe -- Maybe Not. If you test the Y using a cell donation from one of your closely related males of the surname and others from your surname have also tested and they have an intact genealogy which is verified back to the time and place of your genealogy hole, then the results could be indeed helpful. This is everyone's dream. For some it has happened exactly this way. For a variety of reasons, however, this is not always the case. You will show matches -- some identical and or very close depending on the number of panels purchased, and depending on the projects some of those may also be with-in your surname. Whether or not your matches, however, have intact genealogies is another matter. Most descendants of immigrants into the Colonies out of Ireland who have not been able to establish their genealogies across the pond are not unique. The same obstacles we face, the Irish, Scot-Irish, and Scots also face. But this isn't to say that you might not get lucky. So is that advise not to test? Absolutely not. There is a whole host of information which results from DNA which is interesting and enlightening particularly since there is such a large data base of results which is increasing daily. With the Y, learning what the haplogroup of the linear paternal dna is may open up an entire world of new inquiry. Although one from Ireland would be suspected to be from one of the R1b groups, there are several of those which reflect different cultures and migrations; yet R1b clades and sub-clades is not a given. Other haplogroups with their sub-clades are found among Irish descendants as well. It really is dependent upon your goals and expectations whether or not DNA inquiry is worth it to you. For me every bit of it has been worth it despite not being able to fill in my specific over the pond holes, and for most who I speak with on the various lists agree with that sentiment; keep in mind, however, participation on the lists is an exercise of interest...so it would go to follow. If you go into it with an open mind and open expectations and devote the time and thought processes in learning about this tool, willing to participate in the lists of interest just as you have participated in this one, you may well find it as rich and rewarding as you have your traditional genealogical inquiries. You may also experience some of the frustrations which are prevalent in traditional genealogy as well. Susan On 12/23/2011 3:00 AM, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA sale (AnnL7777@aol.com) > 2. Re: DNA sale (Judy Anderson) > 3. Re: DNA sale (lmerle@comcast.net) > 4. Re: DNA sale (Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:28:10 -0500 (EST) > From: AnnL7777@aol.com > Subject: [S-I] DNA sale > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<169cc.4639f0d0.3c24d0b9@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Linda, > FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until > 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask you > for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my > purposes. > > Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can > dig deeper. All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland but I have > only been able to get one generation further back (names and places). I > have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be willing to submit > a sample. > > I would appreciate your advice. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas, > > Ann Lamb > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:32:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: Judy Anderson<plantsncn@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA sale > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <364467432.16449.1324582344193.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Hello, > > > > 23 and me is $99.00 right now. > > > > Judy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AnnL7777@aol.com > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:28:10 AM > Subject: [S-I] DNA sale > > Linda, > FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until ? > 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask ?you > for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my ? > purposes. ? > ? > Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can ? > dig deeper. ?All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland ?but I have > only been able to get one generation further back (names and ?places). ?I > have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be ?willing to submit > a sample. ? > ? > I would appreciate your advice. > ? > Thanks and Merry Christmas, > ? > Ann Lamb ? ? > ? > ? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:42:05 +0000 (UTC) > From: lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA sale > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <198591249.1533463.1324582925077.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Ann, your brothers' Y chromo test would give insight into the male line only. It's usually the one people are initially interested in. If your male line is Irish you need 67 markers as a minimum. If the male line is from Ulster, join the Ulster DNA heritage project. > > The female line is studied via mitochondrial DNA. That's a whole different animal, but possibly more interesting. Mine is Middle Eastern, for example. Probably entered Europe with Neolithic farmers. > > Then there is autosomnal DNA. That's much more complicated. And I'm not sure it's worth the money. > > The most mature is the Y DNA so it is good to start. > > THough right now they are re-doing a large part of the human tree. They made a big announcement yesterday about finding new mutations, I think within I (I was not paying attention<grin>)....and demanding FTDNA change its nominclature to conform to their own. Over on another list they were fighting about where NW Irish originated, as usual and in a tizzy because someone claimed there was more of it in Belfast than Donegal, So didn't this prove that it originated in Scotland? No. Furthermore people have been migrating east to Belfast from DOnegal (and anywhere west of Belfast) for at least 200 years, looking for jobs. And the world's expect in Irish emigration says Donegal lost most of its population before the Potato Famine. So most Donegal DNA ain't in Donegal and hasn't been since the 1700s. WHere is it? Projects like the Cumberland Gap project have a lot of it suggesting it came to America. No doubt lots came to Belfast too. We know this due to the complaints from the lo! c! > al Scots. > > They may have found a subclade to M222 which they've been looking for. Or it's older....hard to follow these posts and to remember who is a nutcase and who is a scientist<grin>. In any case there it is a dynamic time for DNA discoveries. > > Probably in the new year it'll get sorted out and explained to the rest of us. > > So corner one of those brothers and let us know the results. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AnnL7777@aol.com > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:28:10 PM > Subject: [S-I] DNA sale > > Linda, > FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until > 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask you > for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my > purposes. > > Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can > dig deeper. All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland but I have > only been able to get one generation further back (names and places). I > have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be willing to submit > a sample. > > I would appreciate your advice. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas, > > Ann Lamb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:38:08 -0500 > From: "Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr."<rwyndrum@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA sale > To:<scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<009301ccc124$4a0bea20$de23be60$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > So if we all survive, we wait a few years and we'll know? I'm approaching my > 75th birthday..... > Ralph > > Dr. Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr., LFIEEE > Adjunct Faculty, Rutgers University > CEO Executive Engineering Consultants > 2009 Board Chairman, American Ass'n > of Engineering Societies, Washington DC > Past President, IEEE-USA > Phone 732-219-0005; fax -0006; Mobile 732-809-3811 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:42 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA sale > > Hi Ann, your brothers' Y chromo test would give insight into the male line > only. It's usually the one people are initially interested in. If your male > line is Irish you need 67 markers as a minimum. If the male line is from > Ulster, join the Ulster DNA heritage project. > > The female line is studied via mitochondrial DNA. That's a whole different > animal, but possibly more interesting. Mine is Middle Eastern, for example. > Probably entered Europe with Neolithic farmers. > > Then there is autosomnal DNA. That's much more complicated. And I'm not sure > it's worth the money. > > The most mature is the Y DNA so it is good to start. > > THough right now they are re-doing a large part of the human tree. They made > a big announcement yesterday about finding new mutations, I think within I > (I was not paying attention<grin>)....and demanding FTDNA change its > nominclature to conform to their own. Over on another list they were > fighting about where NW Irish originated, as usual and in a tizzy because > someone claimed there was more of it in Belfast than Donegal, So didn't this > prove that it originated in Scotland? No. Furthermore people have been > migrating east to Belfast from DOnegal (and anywhere west of Belfast) for at > least 200 years, looking for jobs. And the world's expect in Irish > emigration says Donegal lost most of its population before the Potato > Famine. So most Donegal DNA ain't in Donegal and hasn't been since the > 1700s. WHere is it? Projects like the Cumberland Gap project have a lot of > it suggesting it came to America. No doubt lots came to Belfast too. We know > this due to the complaints from the loc! > al Scots. > > They may have found a subclade to M222 which they've been looking for. Or > it's older....hard to follow these posts and to remember who is a nutcase > and who is a scientist<grin>. In any case there it is a dynamic time for > DNA discoveries. > > Probably in the new year it'll get sorted out and explained to the rest of > us. > > So corner one of those brothers and let us know the results. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: AnnL7777@aol.com > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:28:10 PM > Subject: [S-I] DNA sale > > Linda, > FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until > 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask > you > for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my > purposes. > > Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can > dig deeper. All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland but I have > only been able to get one generation further back (names and places). I > have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be willing to submit > > a sample. > > I would appreciate your advice. > > Thanks and Merry Christmas, > > Ann Lamb > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 321 > ******************************************** >