Hi Ann, your brothers' Y chromo test would give insight into the male line only. It's usually the one people are initially interested in. If your male line is Irish you need 67 markers as a minimum. If the male line is from Ulster, join the Ulster DNA heritage project. The female line is studied via mitochondrial DNA. That's a whole different animal, but possibly more interesting. Mine is Middle Eastern, for example. Probably entered Europe with Neolithic farmers. Then there is autosomnal DNA. That's much more complicated. And I'm not sure it's worth the money. The most mature is the Y DNA so it is good to start. THough right now they are re-doing a large part of the human tree. They made a big announcement yesterday about finding new mutations, I think within I (I was not paying attention <grin>)....and demanding FTDNA change its nominclature to conform to their own. Over on another list they were fighting about where NW Irish originated, as usual and in a tizzy because someone claimed there was more of it in Belfast than Donegal, So didn't this prove that it originated in Scotland? No. Furthermore people have been migrating east to Belfast from DOnegal (and anywhere west of Belfast) for at least 200 years, looking for jobs. And the world's expect in Irish emigration says Donegal lost most of its population before the Potato Famine. So most Donegal DNA ain't in Donegal and hasn't been since the 1700s. WHere is it? Projects like the Cumberland Gap project have a lot of it suggesting it came to America. No doubt lots came to Belfast too. We know this due to the complaints from the local Scots. They may have found a subclade to M222 which they've been looking for. Or it's older....hard to follow these posts and to remember who is a nutcase and who is a scientist <grin>. In any case there it is a dynamic time for DNA discoveries. Probably in the new year it'll get sorted out and explained to the rest of us. So corner one of those brothers and let us know the results. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnL7777@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:28:10 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA sale Linda, FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask you for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my purposes. Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can dig deeper. All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland but I have only been able to get one generation further back (names and places). I have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be willing to submit a sample. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Ann Lamb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All, So if we all survive, we wait a few years and we'll know? I'm approaching my 75th birthday..... Ralph Dr. Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr., LFIEEE Adjunct Faculty, Rutgers University CEO Executive Engineering Consultants 2009 Board Chairman, American Ass'n of Engineering Societies, Washington DC Past President, IEEE-USA Phone 732-219-0005; fax -0006; Mobile 732-809-3811 -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:42 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA sale Hi Ann, your brothers' Y chromo test would give insight into the male line only. It's usually the one people are initially interested in. If your male line is Irish you need 67 markers as a minimum. If the male line is from Ulster, join the Ulster DNA heritage project. The female line is studied via mitochondrial DNA. That's a whole different animal, but possibly more interesting. Mine is Middle Eastern, for example. Probably entered Europe with Neolithic farmers. Then there is autosomnal DNA. That's much more complicated. And I'm not sure it's worth the money. The most mature is the Y DNA so it is good to start. THough right now they are re-doing a large part of the human tree. They made a big announcement yesterday about finding new mutations, I think within I (I was not paying attention <grin>)....and demanding FTDNA change its nominclature to conform to their own. Over on another list they were fighting about where NW Irish originated, as usual and in a tizzy because someone claimed there was more of it in Belfast than Donegal, So didn't this prove that it originated in Scotland? No. Furthermore people have been migrating east to Belfast from DOnegal (and anywhere west of Belfast) for at least 200 years, looking for jobs. And the world's expect in Irish emigration says Donegal lost most of its population before the Potato Famine. So most Donegal DNA ain't in Donegal and hasn't been since the 1700s. WHere is it? Projects like the Cumberland Gap project have a lot of it suggesting it came to America. No doubt lots came to Belfast too. We know this due to the complaints from the loc! al Scots. They may have found a subclade to M222 which they've been looking for. Or it's older....hard to follow these posts and to remember who is a nutcase and who is a scientist <grin>. In any case there it is a dynamic time for DNA discoveries. Probably in the new year it'll get sorted out and explained to the rest of us. So corner one of those brothers and let us know the results. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnL7777@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:28:10 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA sale Linda, FamilytreeDNA.com is running a Holiday Sale on several tests until 12/31/11. I think the time has come for me to do it but I would like to ask you for your advice on whether the Y-DNA67 test at $199 would be best for my purposes. Goal: to find matches with people who might know more than I do so I can dig deeper. All of my father's grandparents were born in Ireland but I have only been able to get one generation further back (names and places). I have two brothers who carry the male line name who will be willing to submit a sample. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Ann Lamb ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message