Why can't they just be Scots living in Ireland? Surely there were people of different nationalities living in Ireland prior to the organized plantations! On 28/01/2012 08:00, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Native Irish McLains? (Christopher Beal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:31:10 -0500 > From: Christopher Beal<crbeal@gmail.com> > Subject: [S-I] Native Irish McLains? > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAEesOZPOh1wB_P3n6XxHvZdPC1ooJN-t5X9Kbw24aq69HgFRGQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > With a lot of luck and joint research with some DNA matches, I've been > able to trace my McLain line back to Ulster pre-1700. For a long time I > thought they were planters from Scotland but after exchanging emails with > Linda Merle, it seems they could have been native Irish. I did a little > more research and I'll add my findings. I was lucky enough to find the > family of brothers in 1660s parish records at St. Columb's in Londonderry > baptizing their children, these same men also appear on Tyrone's hearth > rolls in 1663 around Dungannnon (John McOlane, Andrew McClean, John > Mickline, Neall McLeane, and Patrick McGlaine). Londonderry's records > seems to add 2 more brothers/cousins: Archibald and William. > > Comparing the hearth rolls with the 1740 householders index, these exact > names repeat very much in Loughinsholin and the descendants of these > McLains seem to populate Magherafelt, Tamlaght O'Crilly, Kilrea, > Desertmartin, Kilcronaghan, Maghera, and Kellelagh through that period of > time. The only records I found earlier than these are the following: > > 1630 muster roll: John McClane, on Henry Conway's estate in Loughinsholin, > Londonderry > Summonisters roll: "Gilbert McCleene of Clogher" mentioned in Tyrone's > rolls in 1626. > > Would I be correct in assuming that John McClane is an Irish tenant on > the Londonderry plantation? Through all the turmoil of the 1600s, it seems > this family stays in Loughinsholin. I've read that Shane O'Neill's > gallowglass in 1560 were the Macleans of Duart who ventured to Ulster when > Shane married the cheiftain's daughter. They opposed Hugh O'Neil the Earl > of Tyrone as they were kinsmen to the MacShanes (Shane O'Neill's sons) and > had become powerful and influential people in Tir Eoghain, and eventually > known as "McEllanes". The "census of the fews", a 1602 pardon list from > Armagh gives the names of 2 kerns under Henry O'Neill: Owen Og McElane and > Allen McElane. > > It looks like evidence mounts for them to be considered native Irish but > then I come across things that throw me off like this Scottish baptismal: > *"Andro McKlein, father: Gilbert McKlein, Mar. 19, 1606, Dumfries"* > obviously two names that fit the above family and I'm not sure whether to > take it as coincidence or not. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated, Thank you! > > Chris Beal > * > * > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 7, Issue 17 > ******************************************* >