Amen!! All kinds of people lived in Ireland. Belfast was home of a small Welsh colony in the late 1500s. During the 1600s many Dutch and other continentals came to Belfast as merchants. It must be recalled that before the union of the crowns Scotland traded independently of England. It had a wide network of traders in Russia, throughout northern Europe, and among England's traditional enemies (France, Spain, Italy). Ireland also traded independently. Ports like Sligo were very busy with continental connections before finally the English put an end to that and destroyed the old trade routes. Once the western coast of Ireland was not a backwater. It was prosperous in the Middle Ages. It had towns full of lusty soldiers and merchants -- securing business through dynastic marriages to families in Spain, etc. Your ancestors were not all either Scots or Irish. They were as diverse as Americans or Australians. Or Romans. Or the Welsh. You can still see the results of Roman slavery in the DNA of Wales. Ireland in the 1600s was a place to go to, like America, only closer and so easier and cheaper to reach. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "D H" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:41:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Native Irish McLains? Why can't they just be Scots living in Ireland? Surely there were people of different nationalities living in Ireland prior to the organized plantations! On 28/01/2012 08:00, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Native Irish McLains? (Christopher Beal) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:31:10 -0500 > From: Christopher Beal<crbeal@gmail.com> > Subject: [S-I] Native Irish McLains? > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAEesOZPOh1wB_P3n6XxHvZdPC1ooJN-t5X9Kbw24aq69HgFRGQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > With a lot of luck and joint research with some DNA matches, I've been > able to trace my McLain line back to Ulster pre-1700. For a long time I > thought they were planters from Scotland but after exchanging emails with > Linda Merle, it seems they could have been native Irish. I did a little > more research and I'll add my findings. I was lucky enough to find the > family of brothers in 1660s parish records at St. Columb's in Londonderry > baptizing their children, these same men also appear on Tyrone's hearth > rolls in 1663 around Dungannnon (John McOlane, Andrew McClean, John > Mickline, Neall McLeane, and Patrick McGlaine). Londonderry's records > seems to add 2 more brothers/cousins: Archibald and William. > > Comparing the hearth rolls with the 1740 householders index, these exact > names repeat very much in Loughinsholin and the descendants of these > McLains seem to populate Magherafelt, Tamlaght O'Crilly, Kilrea, > Desertmartin, Kilcronaghan, Maghera, and Kellelagh through that period of > time. The only records I found earlier than these are the following: > > 1630 muster roll: John McClane, on Henry Conway's estate in Loughinsholin, > Londonderry > Summonisters roll: "Gilbert McCleene of Clogher" mentioned in Tyrone's > rolls in 1626. > > Would I be correct in assuming that John McClane is an Irish tenant on > the Londonderry plantation? Through all the turmoil of the 1600s, it seems > this family stays in Loughinsholin. I've read that Shane O'Neill's > gallowglass in 1560 were the Macleans of Duart who ventured to Ulster when > Shane married the cheiftain's daughter. They opposed Hugh O'Neil the Earl > of Tyrone as they were kinsmen to the MacShanes (Shane O'Neill's sons) and > had become powerful and influential people in Tir Eoghain, and eventually > known as "McEllanes". The "census of the fews", a 1602 pardon list from > Armagh gives the names of 2 kerns under Henry O'Neill: Owen Og McElane and > Allen McElane. > > It looks like evidence mounts for them to be considered native Irish but > then I come across things that throw me off like this Scottish baptismal: > *"Andro McKlein, father: Gilbert McKlein, Mar. 19, 1606, Dumfries"* > obviously two names that fit the above family and I'm not sure whether to > take it as coincidence or not. > > Any input would be greatly appreciated, Thank you! > > Chris Beal > * > * > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 7, Issue 17 > ******************************************* > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message