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    1. Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on Montgomery, Hamilton, McDonald plantations
    2. Christopher Beal
    3. DH, I don't believe any rent books of tenants survive pre-1700, and even at that time it's pretty sparse. The only thing recording "who got what" was acreages to the big undertakers that were to bring planters. I was only able to put two and two together regarding my ancestors on Lord Ochiltree's (Andrew Stewart's) land because they have many farms in the hearth rolls around Tullyniskan, Desertcreat, and Killyman in Tyrone. Stewart was from Ayrshire and recruited a lot of planters in Dumfries & Galloway where my ancestors were from, so there's really no actual link besides that. The earliest records of some of the McLain brothers were actually on English land (Clogher, Tyrone in 1626 and Bellaghy, L'Derry in 1630) which just goes to show you how much moving around there was and also reinforces what Leyburn said in his book "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History", that tenants were not loyal to one estate. Clearly there was a lack of Englishmen for the amount of land that were in the hands of English undertakers. A lot of English packed up and went home as they weren't made out for this rough frontier life. I believe Londonerry (planted by the London companies) became almost wholly Scotch in character by the 1640s. I believe a lot of Scottish merchants trading in Coleraine/Londonderry/Belfast would have been inundated with advertisements for cheap land throughout Ulster and would have had their pick. There was a strict plan for who got what, but really after 1620, anyone could have ended up anywhere. Chris On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM, D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> wrote: > If only anything was simplistic! > > While there is plenty written on the various plantations what I'm stuck on > is getting details of who got what, why and when! > > I'm looking at Sir Hugh Montgomery, Sir James Hamilton, Sir Randal > MacDonnell/McDonald plantations in Antrim, and while I can do my own > research I'm > just wondering if anyone can point me at recommended reading which shows > records of the individuals and the land each one got please? > > Thank you. > DH > ----------------------------- > > > I recently purchased Bardon's book on the Ulster Plantation. (google > bookers: it was just published so the text ain't in google books). I have > not > read very far in this fascinating book; however in the front there are a > number of maps. The one has made me realize we, or I at least, have an over > simplistic mental map of the ethnic mapping of the plantation of Ulster . > > This is the map on page XVI, The plantation of Ulster 1609-13. It does not > include Antrim and Down as they were already colonized by largely Scots > (Sir Hugh Montgomery, Sir James Hamilton, Sir Randal MacDonnell/McDonald > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *________________________________________ * "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of Virginia, plant my flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the Scotch-Irish of that region and make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who will never submit to British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a trigger." - General George Washington, 1778 * *

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