You tell 'em, Colin!! As a genuine expert on the Boyds and since you have the documents in front of you, I am sure we will all defer to you. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BrooksGen4@aol.com Sent: 12 November 2011 19:33 To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders etc. Boyd correction Mitchell doesn't have a trained "eye". I HAVE seen the originals and the "transcribed" work Mitchell himself is referencing in Londonderry. Yes, the original town records are at PRONI , NOT Londonderry. Mitchell looked at the same stuff I did. And since, NINIAN is also in the St. Columb's Cathedral records for that time, and other records including Walker's book on the Derry seige; then the educated eye would have been looking for the right spelling for a name he was clueless about. Guess Mitchell also forgot to mention, the only original letter written post-1690 that is signed by survivors of the Seige is hanging on the Walls at St. Columbs. Now a trained researcher would have also used that as a primary source, unless he was just making a cheap copy of something already written and didn't want to do any actual work. Being an "author" of a book doesn't make you trained or educated. When the book is a COPY of previous lists, it makes you a copier. People who buy those books should know the difference. I KNOW you wrote it exactly how he wrote it, I corrected HIM cause the copies of the originals are sitting in front of me. That's how an educated, trained researcher does his work. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 11/12/2011 9:15:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: Sorry, but this book says Minian. I did not make a mistake. Due to the shortage of typewriters <grin>, the originals are handwritten and subject to interpretation. You'll have to talk to Mitchell or review the original to determine why it is transcribed in this book by Mitchell. Probably because to his trained eye, it looked like an M. The modern eye would like to read it as Ninian. But most likely we need to 'go' with the educated, trained eye when doing transcriptions. In the case of looking up transcriptions, my case, one does not interpret. One types exactly what is there. If one disagrees, one adds a comment in brackets. Otherwise one gets a bad mark in Research 101 class. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: BrooksGen4@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:04:32 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] "Defenders etc. Boyd correction Sorry but need to correct one BOYD name. Given name is NINIAN not Minian from that list. The others are correct. Colin Brooks The 1718 Project ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda I knew this list would come through for me. I got some good info from you and several others. You are so right about obtaining the actual source rather than relying on transcriptions. I certainly wasted a lot of time and effort by relying on a transcription. Back in 1984, i requested the death certificate of my gg grandmother Frances Elliott Bell. A clerk from the Ontario archives sent me back the information with the birthplace transcribed as "ireland". big deal I thought as I already knew that so I just filed it away & went in other directions. Recently I decided to track down the actual death certificate. Hard to find because they had her down as a male named Francis and the death was registered in 1893 although she died in Sept 1892. Anyways the actual death certificate had birthplace "County Monahan, Ireland". Grr, never trust transcriptions. Lesson learned. murray On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:13 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Murray, thanks for the tip on the Monaghan list. Some of these lists are good and some not terribly helpful, depending on how much expertise is there. Before long you can be the resident guru yourself. > > I don't know if there is a sorted list of townlands on line for Monaghan. Frankly, every time I do work like this I re-google because it is a dynamic situation. The sites I used before might have been superceded. I don't think you need townlands of Monaghan. You just need townlands of the parish. If there is not another townland with the second name in the parish, then even if it does exist, it is not in the parish you are interested in. It's not hard at all to create a list of townlands by parish using a table in Word, OpenOffice, various spreadsheets, etc. Just add a code for the source or you'll not be sure where you got the info. Paste them in, update, then sort, if you want. > > Unfortunately proximity to Northern Ireland isn't what matters. It's about repositories and budgets, etc. PRONI has great townland maps for Northern Ireland. What site in the Republic has similar? I don't know. I don't research much down there. I delight doing so because then I learn, but my most recent work was in Limerick and Kerry and I don't even recall where I got townland maps at the moment! I also own "Families of County Kerry", which came in mighty handy. > > This site has some great resources, including geographical names: > http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/default.htm and early maps. Includes lines to IreAtlas http://www.seanruad.com/ and some great Irish links, like to known Cromwellian Adventurers. > > Also check out http://www.clogherhistory.ie . Maybe find a knowledgable person through them. > > Unfortunately you may have to do your own research here. Ie, create a spreadsheet for parishes and townlands, copy it all in with the name of the soruce for the info (or I guarentee you'll regret it -- use a number for each source,,,faster. Be sure to paste in source info and corresponding number). Then sort away. You can then at least prove there are not two townlands with these names. Then see if one of the websites will host it. That'll earn you brownie points and maybe some free help. > > I got some similar posts that I think have been waiting for an answer for 20 years. Apparently no one knows the answers so I got to find it out. > > I might add the googling on the Internet for this stuff is not very PC. "Real genealogists" use real books and manuscripts and visit real repositories <grin>. These places definitely have more good stuff than the Internet, but it is harder to find. However I google a lot. Sometimes it is easier to use materials on lines. Some old maps can be zoomed up and viewed easier on line, for example. So I am not very PC either <grin>. I am also lazy. However were I wanting some day to publish my findings in a semi-respectable book or article, I'd consider viewing the actual source by ordering microfilm or visiting the FHL in Salt Lake, PRONI, etc. The reason is transcription errors do occur, I need a vacation once in a while, and lastly websites are very transient. It's like trying to use dead witnesses to a murder in a trial. Criminals murder witnesses because once dead, they can't give testimony. So I have also learned (the hard way) to preserve any web content myself. I have a fr! ee! > driver that looks like a printer. I print to it instead of the printer and it produces a PDF file. Your heirs and generations of family researchers will love you if you do this. > > Having 'real' manuscript sources does enhance the quality and value of a family history, so it's worth keeping in mind. Please publish it too. It's cheap to do so these days and the family historians of the future will bless you. > > Best of luck, > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:44:30 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books > > Linda, > > Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though. > > I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there. > > One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland. > > Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others > > thanks for your help. > > murray > > > > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:08 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi Murray, I hope someone on the list is a Monaghan expert. >> >> I am not. Unfortunately Monaghan is not in the Placenames of Ulster series, near as I know. This series provides the history of not only each townland but other placenames (villages, etc). It would tell you if the two names are for the same place. So you will need to consult some atlases as well as histories of Monaghan and the parish. Also note the landlord and estate. You may find info in the estate history. >> >> There are also a list of 'standard' places to search in Monaghan. I usually use Ryan "Irish Records" but Fianna has some good webpages: >> >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan.html >> >> You may note that the Scotch Irish list largely researches in Northern Ireland. Monaghan is not in Northern Ireland so I urge you to check with a county list. >> One place to find parish maps is: http://www.pasthomes.com/info/samples.php >> Another place, besides the Internet, is the Family History Library. It may have maps including estate maps. You use the catalog to find these. It used to be before the Internet that you went there first and ordered microfilm. >> >> A brief list of the 'no brainer', 101 level of records available is here: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogmisc.html But if you did some research in the FHL catalog and a book like Ryan "Irish Records or Grenham you'll find others. >> >>> What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. >> >> You generally would check Ryan "Irish Records" to get this answer. The Fianna webpage may hold the answer: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogcoi.html Says 1878 for Church of Ireland. Check >> http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . They may be indexed at the County Heritage Centre . Also check the FHL -- not only the front page index but the Irish record collection. Just because Fianna says the records are locally held doesn't mean that is still true. >> >> Methodists were not confined to parishes. There were various types of Methodists and their circuits overlapped. You need to check any Methodist records you can find within that is nearby, ignoring parishes, just as if researching in the USA you would ignore county and township lines, knowing the ancestors had legs and horses and could cross them at will. >> >> Often we hope -- or I sure did and still do -- someone has the answers to our questions. No one ever seemed to have mine so I had to learn to find them myself. It seems for Irish genealogy nothing is simple. There isn't a single place to find records -- you usually have to search a couple places. It's the nature of Irish research. Things are not well aggregated. >> >> Possibly your best hope to find some one who already knows the answers is the Monaghan list. >> >> If Figevly is in the same parish and about the same size as Feegavla it could well be the same. You may be able to tell this from comparing Griffiths and the Tithe Applotments. However a local person would know and there's likely to be more of them on a Monaghan list . >> >> Best of luck, >> >> Linda Merle >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:50:01 PM >> Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books >> >> After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. >> >> 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? >> 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? >> 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. >> >> Any advice much appreciated. >> >> tanks, murray Bell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sharon Thank you. I went to the site & was able to map Feegavla and see all the bordering townlands. This helps me a lot. thanks, murray On Nov 19, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Sharon Oddie Brown wrote: > Here is a good site for Monaghan townland maps: > http://193.178.1.178/Monaghan_allcounty_gplan/ > Sharon Oddie Brown > Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: > http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > > On 18/11/2011 6:44 PM, Murray Bell wrote: >> Linda, >> >> Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though. >> >> I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there. >> >> One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland. >> >> Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others >> >> thanks for your help. >> >> murray >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

D H Good site that I will bookmark. It does tell me that the Bells were gone from Feegavla by Griffiths. No surprise as my ancestor emigrated in 1840. Also thanks for providing all the different spellings of Figevly & Feegavla. Useful info. thanks, murray On Nov 19, 2011, at 9:25 AM, D H wrote: > not applotments I know but http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch > > > Just put in Feegavla as townland, Monaghan as County and 'search'..you get modern and contemporary maps, can Zoom in/out etc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John Thank you very much for the info. I will most likely spend the $30 bucks to purchase volume 40. I like that it also includes Cavan which is another county of interest to me. You mentioned that there were no Elliotts mentioned in Donaghmoyne index. Were there any Bells? again, thanks very much murray On Nov 19, 2011, at 8:17 AM, John Carey wrote: > Murray > > I checked out Donaghmoyne parish in the Index to the Ordnance Survey Memoirs > of Ireland. These Memoirs were the reports written on each parish during > the Ordnance Survey in the 18030s. They were written to accompany the 6 " > maps but were not published at the time. The Memoirs have been collected > and comprise 40 volumes. The index points to the volume in which a parish > is to be found. Sometimes individuals like teachers and ministers are > mentioned in a parish memoir along with local gentry. The memoirs are > inconsistent since they were written by different people but a memoir on a > parish usually gives a list of individual townlands at that time, a > description of their size, etc. A Memoir usually list all the churches and > meeting houses in each parish, including when there were groups that were > meeting in someone's house. In a recent lookup, I found a townland spelt 4 > different ways in the same Memoir so two spellings for Feegavla is not very > surprising. > > The index does not mention any Elliotts in Donaghmoyne. However, you will > find the description of Donaghmoyne in Memoirs volume 40. From the > references in the index, it appears that the Donaghmoyne memoir probably > spans at least 30 pages. I own a couple of Memoirs volumes but not that one > so I cannot look up the actual description. I was able to purchase my > volumes online some years ago and I assume that you can still do that. > Unfortunately, I don't remember now who I purchased them from but it should > be simple enough to Google Memoirs of Ireland and track them down and order > volume 40. > > Cheers > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Bell > Sent: November-18-11 7:50 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books > > After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have > recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG > grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that > Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the > Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living > in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go > from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help > me with. > > 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths > there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that > Figevly=Feegavla? > 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a > copy? > 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the > period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often > utilized the Church Of ireland. > > Any advice much appreciated. > > tanks, murray Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi D H, So you seem to have proven it, if I am reading your email correctly? I think Falley "Irish and Scotch Irish Ancestral Research" explains that the early Methodist ministers didn't perform baptisms and marriages. The established church did, so their records are with the established church in England and Ireland. No idea about Scotland, maybe someone who knows can tell us. I could check a book or so but I am too busy. So for Methodists, always check the Church of Ireland records. Falley has a whole chapter on Methodists and their records. She also explains their history in Ireland, which is quite different from that of Presbyterians. I think we've found our resident Monaghan expert! Thanks, Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "D H" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:26:54 AM Subject: [S-I] Re; Tithe Applotment Books Figevly=Feegavla? Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well it has been called various names on official documents over the centuries so depends on what century for a start. 1660, ffygallwy> 1712-1719 ffewgally> 1761 Fegavly> 1800 Fegivleys> 1809 Fewgalleys> 1812 Figelva> 1823 Figelvy> 1835 Figeavlas Present dayFeegavla..soFigevly=Feegavla! http://www.donaghmoyneheritage.ie/ http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis-topographical-dictionary-article/Donaghmoyne/Monaghan St. Patrick's Church would be a local church but that doesn't mean they attended there! Some of mine lived near their local church but traveled miles into Monaghan town in 1820's to attend church, christenings/marriages/funeral services etc but are buried in their local church. One of mine was a Methodist Minister and was on various circuits, his kids are in C of I records. So as to what church yours attended I wouldn't try to guess but local church would only be starting place. Others of mine were baptised, married, kids baptised in same C of I church but some of these are buried in Pres. G/yard a few miles away, so the rule is 'there are no rules!'...it wasn't a requirement to attend local church! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Murray, thanks for the tip on the Monaghan list. Some of these lists are good and some not terribly helpful, depending on how much expertise is there. Before long you can be the resident guru yourself. I don't know if there is a sorted list of townlands on line for Monaghan. Frankly, every time I do work like this I re-google because it is a dynamic situation. The sites I used before might have been superceded. I don't think you need townlands of Monaghan. You just need townlands of the parish. If there is not another townland with the second name in the parish, then even if it does exist, it is not in the parish you are interested in. It's not hard at all to create a list of townlands by parish using a table in Word, OpenOffice, various spreadsheets, etc. Just add a code for the source or you'll not be sure where you got the info. Paste them in, update, then sort, if you want. Unfortunately proximity to Northern Ireland isn't what matters. It's about repositories and budgets, etc. PRONI has great townland maps for Northern Ireland. What site in the Republic has similar? I don't know. I don't research much down there. I delight doing so because then I learn, but my most recent work was in Limerick and Kerry and I don't even recall where I got townland maps at the moment! I also own "Families of County Kerry", which came in mighty handy. This site has some great resources, including geographical names: http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/default.htm and early maps. Includes lines to IreAtlas http://www.seanruad.com/ and some great Irish links, like to known Cromwellian Adventurers. Also check out http://www.clogherhistory.ie . Maybe find a knowledgable person through them. Unfortunately you may have to do your own research here. Ie, create a spreadsheet for parishes and townlands, copy it all in with the name of the soruce for the info (or I guarentee you'll regret it -- use a number for each source,,,faster. Be sure to paste in source info and corresponding number). Then sort away. You can then at least prove there are not two townlands with these names. Then see if one of the websites will host it. That'll earn you brownie points and maybe some free help. I got some similar posts that I think have been waiting for an answer for 20 years. Apparently no one knows the answers so I got to find it out. I might add the googling on the Internet for this stuff is not very PC. "Real genealogists" use real books and manuscripts and visit real repositories <grin>. These places definitely have more good stuff than the Internet, but it is harder to find. However I google a lot. Sometimes it is easier to use materials on lines. Some old maps can be zoomed up and viewed easier on line, for example. So I am not very PC either <grin>. I am also lazy. However were I wanting some day to publish my findings in a semi-respectable book or article, I'd consider viewing the actual source by ordering microfilm or visiting the FHL in Salt Lake, PRONI, etc. The reason is transcription errors do occur, I need a vacation once in a while, and lastly websites are very transient. It's like trying to use dead witnesses to a murder in a trial. Criminals murder witnesses because once dead, they can't give testimony. So I have also learned (the hard way) to preserve any web content myself. I have a free driver that looks like a printer. I print to it instead of the printer and it produces a PDF file. Your heirs and generations of family researchers will love you if you do this. Having 'real' manuscript sources does enhance the quality and value of a family history, so it's worth keeping in mind. Please publish it too. It's cheap to do so these days and the family historians of the future will bless you. Best of luck, Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:44:30 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books Linda, Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though. I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there. One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland. Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others thanks for your help. murray On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:08 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Murray, I hope someone on the list is a Monaghan expert. > > I am not. Unfortunately Monaghan is not in the Placenames of Ulster series, near as I know. This series provides the history of not only each townland but other placenames (villages, etc). It would tell you if the two names are for the same place. So you will need to consult some atlases as well as histories of Monaghan and the parish. Also note the landlord and estate. You may find info in the estate history. > > There are also a list of 'standard' places to search in Monaghan. I usually use Ryan "Irish Records" but Fianna has some good webpages: > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan.html > > You may note that the Scotch Irish list largely researches in Northern Ireland. Monaghan is not in Northern Ireland so I urge you to check with a county list. > One place to find parish maps is: http://www.pasthomes.com/info/samples.php > Another place, besides the Internet, is the Family History Library. It may have maps including estate maps. You use the catalog to find these. It used to be before the Internet that you went there first and ordered microfilm. > > A brief list of the 'no brainer', 101 level of records available is here: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogmisc.html But if you did some research in the FHL catalog and a book like Ryan "Irish Records or Grenham you'll find others. > >> What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. > > You generally would check Ryan "Irish Records" to get this answer. The Fianna webpage may hold the answer: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogcoi.html Says 1878 for Church of Ireland. Check > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . They may be indexed at the County Heritage Centre . Also check the FHL -- not only the front page index but the Irish record collection. Just because Fianna says the records are locally held doesn't mean that is still true. > > Methodists were not confined to parishes. There were various types of Methodists and their circuits overlapped. You need to check any Methodist records you can find within that is nearby, ignoring parishes, just as if researching in the USA you would ignore county and township lines, knowing the ancestors had legs and horses and could cross them at will. > > Often we hope -- or I sure did and still do -- someone has the answers to our questions. No one ever seemed to have mine so I had to learn to find them myself. It seems for Irish genealogy nothing is simple. There isn't a single place to find records -- you usually have to search a couple places. It's the nature of Irish research. Things are not well aggregated. > > Possibly your best hope to find some one who already knows the answers is the Monaghan list. > > If Figevly is in the same parish and about the same size as Feegavla it could well be the same. You may be able to tell this from comparing Griffiths and the Tithe Applotments. However a local person would know and there's likely to be more of them on a Monaghan list . > > Best of luck, > > Linda Merle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:50:01 PM > Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books > > After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. > > 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? > 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? > 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. > > Any advice much appreciated. > > tanks, murray Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

not applotments I know but http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch Just put in Feegavla as townland, Monaghan as County and 'search'..you get modern and contemporary maps, can Zoom in/out etc

Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Well it has been called various names on official documents over the centuries so depends on what century for a start. 1660, ffygallwy> 1712-1719 ffewgally> 1761 Fegavly> 1800 Fegivleys> 1809 Fewgalleys> 1812 Figelva> 1823 Figelvy> 1835 Figeavlas Present dayFeegavla..soFigevly=Feegavla! http://www.donaghmoyneheritage.ie/ http://www.from-ireland.net/lewis-topographical-dictionary-article/Donaghmoyne/Monaghan St. Patrick's Church would be a local church but that doesn't mean they attended there! Some of mine lived near their local church but traveled miles into Monaghan town in 1820's to attend church, christenings/marriages/funeral services etc but are buried in their local church. One of mine was a Methodist Minister and was on various circuits, his kids are in C of I records. So as to what church yours attended I wouldn't try to guess but local church would only be starting place. Others of mine were baptised, married, kids baptised in same C of I church but some of these are buried in Pres. G/yard a few miles away, so the rule is 'there are no rules!'...it wasn't a requirement to attend local church!

Murray After I posted my last message I decided to check it out myself. Global Genealogy had the following listing for Volume 40. In my search, the price came up as $C 29.95. Counties of South Ulster, Ireland: Cavan, Leitrim, Louth, Monaghan and Sligo: BOOK - Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland: Volume 40 Counties of South Ulster, 1834-8, Cavan, Leitrim, Louth, Monaghan and Sligo Edited by Angélique Day and Patrick McWilliams This volume contains the Memoirs for five counties, comprising 34 parishes, in and along the southern reaches of the province of Ulster, a large area stretching from Sligo and Leitrim in the west and as far south as Louth in the east, with Cavan and Monaghan, particularly the latter, having the best coverage. Cavan is endowed with accounts of Cavan town, Cootehill, Kingscourt, and Stradone, with Monaghan possesses descriptions of Ballybay, Carrickmacross, Castleblayney, Clones, Drum, Emyvale, Glaslough, Newbliss, RockCorry, and Scotshouse. There are also details of Manorhamiltonin Leitrim, and Achonry, Aclare, Ballymote, Ballysadare, and general information about land-holdings in Sligo comprise the records for that county. Louth is represented by a set of interesting townland statistics for Ballymascanlan and Carlingford. Throughout this area the linen industry has been very significant, as witnessed by the many substantial houses of those involved in that trade, but the tide of prosperity had turned and agricultural economy was the mainstay of the region, as seen through its many livestock fairs. Ancient and early Christian remains, as well as fortifications and significant buildings of later centuries, are well documented and there are some particularly good accounts of the wildlife and geology in this typical drumlin landscape of South Ulster speckled with lakes. Altogether these Memoirs provide a unique insight into life and society in this area over one hundred and fifty years ago. The parishes covered in this volume are: Co. Cavan: Drumgoon, Drumloman, Drung, Enniskeen, Killdrumsherdan, Laragh; Co. Leitrim: Manorhamilton Union; Co. Louth: Ballymascanlan, Carlingford, Castletown; Co. Monaghan: Aghabog, Aughnamullen, Ballybay, Clontibret, Currin, Donagh, Donaghmoyne, Ematris, Errigal Truagh, Inniskeen, Killanny, Kilmore, Magheracloone, Magheross, Monaghan, Muckno, Tydavnet, Tyholland; Co. Sligo: Emlaghfad, Killoran and KIlcarnet, Kilmactigue. 212 pages; published 1998; 24 x 17cm; paperback; ISBN 085389 661 5 John -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Carey Sent: November-19-11 8:18 AM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books Murray I checked out Donaghmoyne parish in the Index to the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland. These Memoirs were the reports written on each parish during the Ordnance Survey in the 18030s. They were written to accompany the 6 " maps but were not published at the time. The Memoirs have been collected and comprise 40 volumes. The index points to the volume in which a parish is to be found. Sometimes individuals like teachers and ministers are mentioned in a parish memoir along with local gentry. The memoirs are inconsistent since they were written by different people but a memoir on a parish usually gives a list of individual townlands at that time, a description of their size, etc. A Memoir usually list all the churches and meeting houses in each parish, including when there were groups that were meeting in someone's house. In a recent lookup, I found a townland spelt 4 different ways in the same Memoir so two spellings for Feegavla is not very surprising. The index does not mention any Elliotts in Donaghmoyne. However, you will find the description of Donaghmoyne in Memoirs volume 40. From the references in the index, it appears that the Donaghmoyne memoir probably spans at least 30 pages. I own a couple of Memoirs volumes but not that one so I cannot look up the actual description. I was able to purchase my volumes online some years ago and I assume that you can still do that. Unfortunately, I don't remember now who I purchased them from but it should be simple enough to Google Memoirs of Ireland and track them down and order volume 40. Cheers John -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Bell Sent: November-18-11 7:50 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. Any advice much appreciated. tanks, murray Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Murray I checked out Donaghmoyne parish in the Index to the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland. These Memoirs were the reports written on each parish during the Ordnance Survey in the 18030s. They were written to accompany the 6 " maps but were not published at the time. The Memoirs have been collected and comprise 40 volumes. The index points to the volume in which a parish is to be found. Sometimes individuals like teachers and ministers are mentioned in a parish memoir along with local gentry. The memoirs are inconsistent since they were written by different people but a memoir on a parish usually gives a list of individual townlands at that time, a description of their size, etc. A Memoir usually list all the churches and meeting houses in each parish, including when there were groups that were meeting in someone's house. In a recent lookup, I found a townland spelt 4 different ways in the same Memoir so two spellings for Feegavla is not very surprising. The index does not mention any Elliotts in Donaghmoyne. However, you will find the description of Donaghmoyne in Memoirs volume 40. From the references in the index, it appears that the Donaghmoyne memoir probably spans at least 30 pages. I own a couple of Memoirs volumes but not that one so I cannot look up the actual description. I was able to purchase my volumes online some years ago and I assume that you can still do that. Unfortunately, I don't remember now who I purchased them from but it should be simple enough to Google Memoirs of Ireland and track them down and order volume 40. Cheers John -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Bell Sent: November-18-11 7:50 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. Any advice much appreciated. tanks, murray Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a good site for Monaghan townland maps: http://193.178.1.178/Monaghan_allcounty_gplan/ Sharon Oddie Brown Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ On 18/11/2011 6:44 PM, Murray Bell wrote: > Linda, > > Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though. > > I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there. > > One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland. > > Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others > > thanks for your help. > > murray > >

Hi Murray, I hope someone on the list is a Monaghan expert. I am not. Unfortunately Monaghan is not in the Placenames of Ulster series, near as I know. This series provides the history of not only each townland but other placenames (villages, etc). It would tell you if the two names are for the same place. So you will need to consult some atlases as well as histories of Monaghan and the parish. Also note the landlord and estate. You may find info in the estate history. There are also a list of 'standard' places to search in Monaghan. I usually use Ryan "Irish Records" but Fianna has some good webpages: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan.html You may note that the Scotch Irish list largely researches in Northern Ireland. Monaghan is not in Northern Ireland so I urge you to check with a county list. One place to find parish maps is: http://www.pasthomes.com/info/samples.php Another place, besides the Internet, is the Family History Library. It may have maps including estate maps. You use the catalog to find these. It used to be before the Internet that you went there first and ordered microfilm. A brief list of the 'no brainer', 101 level of records available is here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogmisc.html But if you did some research in the FHL catalog and a book like Ryan "Irish Records or Grenham you'll find others. >What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. You generally would check Ryan "Irish Records" to get this answer. The Fianna webpage may hold the answer: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogcoi.html Says 1878 for Church of Ireland. Check http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . They may be indexed at the County Heritage Centre . Also check the FHL -- not only the front page index but the Irish record collection. Just because Fianna says the records are locally held doesn't mean that is still true. Methodists were not confined to parishes. There were various types of Methodists and their circuits overlapped. You need to check any Methodist records you can find within that is nearby, ignoring parishes, just as if researching in the USA you would ignore county and township lines, knowing the ancestors had legs and horses and could cross them at will. Often we hope -- or I sure did and still do -- someone has the answers to our questions. No one ever seemed to have mine so I had to learn to find them myself. It seems for Irish genealogy nothing is simple. There isn't a single place to find records -- you usually have to search a couple places. It's the nature of Irish research. Things are not well aggregated. Possibly your best hope to find some one who already knows the answers is the Monaghan list. If Figevly is in the same parish and about the same size as Feegavla it could well be the same. You may be able to tell this from comparing Griffiths and the Tithe Applotments. However a local person would know and there's likely to be more of them on a Monaghan list . Best of luck, Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:50:01 PM Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. Any advice much appreciated. tanks, murray Bell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Watch that fentanyl, Linda. Prior to gall bladder surgery about 2 years ago, I was given versad & fentanyl. I was to be given propofol (hello, Michael Jackson) for the anesthetic. Before the procedure or the propofol could begin I got very nauseous & was sweating profusely. I was wheeled back to my room post haste. Later that day, the surgery was performed using only morphine. I talked with the anesthesiologist later and was told they thought I was having a heart attack (they called in a cardiologist as I do have a heart condition). I will not let them touch me with that stuff again. So be careful with fentanyl!! - polly

Linda, Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though. I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there. One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland. Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others thanks for your help. murray On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:08 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Murray, I hope someone on the list is a Monaghan expert. > > I am not. Unfortunately Monaghan is not in the Placenames of Ulster series, near as I know. This series provides the history of not only each townland but other placenames (villages, etc). It would tell you if the two names are for the same place. So you will need to consult some atlases as well as histories of Monaghan and the parish. Also note the landlord and estate. You may find info in the estate history. > > There are also a list of 'standard' places to search in Monaghan. I usually use Ryan "Irish Records" but Fianna has some good webpages: > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan.html > > You may note that the Scotch Irish list largely researches in Northern Ireland. Monaghan is not in Northern Ireland so I urge you to check with a county list. > One place to find parish maps is: http://www.pasthomes.com/info/samples.php > Another place, besides the Internet, is the Family History Library. It may have maps including estate maps. You use the catalog to find these. It used to be before the Internet that you went there first and ordered microfilm. > > A brief list of the 'no brainer', 101 level of records available is here: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogmisc.html But if you did some research in the FHL catalog and a book like Ryan "Irish Records or Grenham you'll find others. > >> What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. > > You generally would check Ryan "Irish Records" to get this answer. The Fianna webpage may hold the answer: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogcoi.html Says 1878 for Church of Ireland. Check > http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . They may be indexed at the County Heritage Centre . Also check the FHL -- not only the front page index but the Irish record collection. Just because Fianna says the records are locally held doesn't mean that is still true. > > Methodists were not confined to parishes. There were various types of Methodists and their circuits overlapped. You need to check any Methodist records you can find within that is nearby, ignoring parishes, just as if researching in the USA you would ignore county and township lines, knowing the ancestors had legs and horses and could cross them at will. > > Often we hope -- or I sure did and still do -- someone has the answers to our questions. No one ever seemed to have mine so I had to learn to find them myself. It seems for Irish genealogy nothing is simple. There isn't a single place to find records -- you usually have to search a couple places. It's the nature of Irish research. Things are not well aggregated. > > Possibly your best hope to find some one who already knows the answers is the Monaghan list. > > If Figevly is in the same parish and about the same size as Feegavla it could well be the same. You may be able to tell this from comparing Griffiths and the Tithe Applotments. However a local person would know and there's likely to be more of them on a Monaghan list . > > Best of luck, > > Linda Merle > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray Bell" <murraybel@msn.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:50:01 PM > Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books > > After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. > > 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? > 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? > 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. > > Any advice much appreciated. > > tanks, murray Bell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with. 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla? 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy? 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland. Any advice much appreciated. tanks, murray Bell

Hi June, oh yes, you reminded me. We can't stop gardening either. This was the first year I didn't plant a zillion tomato plants and spend a lot of time trying to preserve them. Last year dried them. Still have a bag. "Sun dried tomatoes" was not part of our diet so I am not real good at using them. We got lots of goat stories. One way my grandfather made money during the Depression was raising goats and honey. Apparently my mother had a goat cart when she was little that she used to ride around in, drawn by a goat. The other story about my grandfather is his idea of Thanksgiving. We asked my mother one year what her family had for Thanksgiving. Apparently my grandfather went out on the back porch and shot some thing. What he shot you ate. One year a possum, which I have heard from others on the list is a great treat in some necks of the woods, but not ours. The family dreaded Thanksgiving and what they'd have to eat. His family were Covenanters so they had no Christmas traditions. My grandmother's mother was German (Lutheran) -- they had a lot. However there were relative in Florida who would send up a large box of oranges, mangos and persimmons. I remember them myself. My mother developed a hatred of mangos, the little brat. It's the middle of the Depression and she wouldn't eat the mangos! About this time of year someone asks about Scotch Irish Christmas customs. Not a long thread as they didn't really have any. The Scots didn't go out for Christmas either. Many of the Scotch Irish were just too Calvinist to enjoy such a pagan holiday. Which is why God sent the Germans to Pennsylvania -- so we could have Christmas. My cat came home late yesterday. I'll have to put a photo on the Internet. He looks awful -- shaven rear, no tail, sutures on the hip, drainage tub sutured to his back. Has a Fentanyl patch on his good back leg, which really impressed my brother. His doctor won't give him any. I guess this stuff is a hundred times more powerful than morphine (I read on the Internet). So he's not feeling a lot of pain. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "June McLaughlin" <vjunemc@gmail.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:10:34 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 270 "The people who can't stop farming." It's sooooo true. I have tomatoes in pots in my living room window. (the only big enough south facing one). Thank you so very much. All this time I thought I was just garden variety crazy for my attachment to my animals, large and small. Now I see it's a DNA problem--I'm hard wired that way. The goat story was hilarious.

"The people who can't stop farming." It's sooooo true. I have tomatoes in pots in my living room window. (the only big enough south facing one). Thank you so very much. All this time I thought I was just garden variety crazy for my attachment to my animals, large and small. Now I see it's a DNA problem--I'm hard wired that way. The goat story was hilarious. On Nov 18, 2011, at 2:00 AM, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. DNA Sales (lmerle@comcast.net) > 2. Re: SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 (Nancy Kipp) > 3. Re: Sorry no lookups today (lmerle@comcast.net) > 4. Re: Sorry no lookups today (rootsgirl50@aol.com) > 5. Re: Sorry no lookups today (Donnalangbank) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:33:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: [S-I] DNA Sales > To: List <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <700337244.2673524.1321540437785.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi folks, the DNA lists are all abuzz as the various firms announce > holiday sales. > > Family Tree DNA is useful for Y chromosome (male Line) testing. You > join (free) a surname project, which gives you an administrator who > may be knowledgable. (If not, dump that project and find another). > By joining the Ulster DNA project your results will show up in this > huge project, sorted next to matches and near matches. http://www.familytreedna.com/products.aspx > for pricing. It also does mother line (mitochondrial) testing and > autosomal, when some of the DNA in all your chromosomes is tested. > then you use software to look for cousins with whom you share > strands of matching DNA. Very new. > > 23andme is another firm. It started out doing medical testing. It > allows you to see what kind of genes you may have and if you stay > active you will continuously get new results, well, until the chip > is obsolete that was used to test you. I need to upgrade to the > newer chip. Among other things I may learn if I have an Alzheimers > gene. They do not yet test comprehensively for this. Apparently many > genes could be involved. However .... I'm afraid!!!!! <grin>. They > also will give you your Y chromosome (if you have one) and your > mitochondrial. They also have autosomal results and probably the > world's largest customer base of people trying to find cousins this > way. https://www.23andme.com/ . If you want you can also participate > in various studies (meaning you answer questions) to further our > research. Kind of like being a lab rat, but better educated and > probably less fur.... > > There are other firms too. Can anyone supply us with a few? > > It pays to google...... I found this site offering free testing to > BROWNs of Scots descent: > http://www.brownsociety.org/FreeScotsTests.htm > > Think you are Scots? EthnoAncestry has a test to prove it. This is a > bit controversial. > http://www.ethnoancestry.com/ > http://www.scotlandsfamily.com/dna-testing.htm explains what they're > looking for. > > There is also an Irish hedge school for learning Irish DNA: > http://web.mac.com/irishpat/IrishRootsCafe/Irish_DNA.html > > It has a Youtube video explaining how easy it is. > > I also found a website with information on the Workhouse. It > includes a cookbook of prison recipes. Doesn't sound terribly > appealing..... > http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ > > Linda Merle > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:51:20 -0800 > From: Nancy Kipp <nkipp@san.rr.com> > Subject: Re: [S-I] SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 269 > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <31E2DA50-E7CC-48A3-8C81-4371988F97BD@san.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Linda, > We just lost our dog. Please hug your cat for us! > Nancy > > > Nancy Kipp > nkipp@san.rr.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:53:55 +0000 (UTC) > From: lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1444569706.2674769.1321541635687.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Warwick, I think my daughter really warrants the sainthood. She > adopted a dog from the pound. He got leukemia. Needed $7000 worth of > chemo. She had to get a second job to pay for it. Now that's > devotion. I have a neighbor who has a cat with a cleft palate and > doesn't eat normally too good. She's a nurse, thank God. I suspect > they'd repair the palate for only a few thousand at this place where > my cat is. > > I think my daughter's dog is worth more than my eleven year old > car .... hmm, my cat probably is worth more too. > > Trying to reduce guilt due to an off topic post...... The Scotch > Irish can be quite fond of their animals. I have sometimes called my > family "the people who couldn't stop farming.' We have a funny story > about a cousin of my mother, a very proper lady married to a local > mortician, whose goat developed an intestinal disorder. There was no > way to get him to the vet but in the new hearse. So she loaded him > in, she in high heels, hat, gloves (it was the 40s) and off she > drove. Unfortunately goat got a diarhea attack on the way. They > needed a new hearse. I don't think he divorced her, but it was close. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warwick Beadle" <warwick30@gmail.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:27:52 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today > > Hi Linda, > > I'm nominating you for Sainthood. Take as long as you need off. Will > allow me to clean up my inbox in the meantime :-) > > Hugs, > > Warwick > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM, <lmerle@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi folks, Hopefully tomorrow. Today my one cat was hit by a car and I >> spent the day driving him from the local vet to large regional vet >> center >> and writing checks. However he will survive. Lost his tail, had a >> part of >> his femur in his hip socket replaced, badly dislocated jaw fixed >> itself. My >> daughter had to get a second job to pay for her pound dog's chemo >> last year. >> >> Exhaustedly, >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:23:26 -0500 (EST) > From: rootsgirl50@aol.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CE7353FC3DA647-1380-B1B86@Webmail-d106.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Linda.... > > God Bless your little one ..... and to you also for being a 'Great > Mom' .... > > my 2 Kat Kids are like real kids to me .... and I would do anything > for them also !!! > > > Mill Ryan > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lmerle <lmerle@comcast.net> > To: List <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 10:47 pm > Subject: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today > > > Hi folks, Hopefully tomorrow. Today my one cat was hit by a car and > I spent the > day driving him from the local vet to large regional vet center and > writing > checks. However he will survive. Lost his tail, had a part of his > femur in his > hip socket replaced, badly dislocated jaw fixed itself. My daughter > had to get a > second job to pay for her pound dog's chemo last year. > > Exhaustedly, > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:40:32 +0000 > From: Donnalangbank <donnalangbank@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today > To: "scotch-irish@rootsweb.com" <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Cc: List <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <98F00993-CD41-45B0-A783-C80B8117254E@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > That's sad Linda. Sending hugs across the water!!! > Donna > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 03:45, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi folks, Hopefully tomorrow. Today my one cat was hit by a car and >> I spent the day driving him from the local vet to large regional >> vet center and writing checks. However he will survive. Lost his >> tail, had a part of his femur in his hip socket replaced, badly >> dislocated jaw fixed itself. My daughter had to get a second job to >> pay for her pound dog's chemo last year. >> >> Exhaustedly, >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 270 > ********************************************

Hi Linda, I'm nominating you for Sainthood. Take as long as you need off. Will allow me to clean up my inbox in the meantime :-) Hugs, Warwick On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM, <lmerle@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi folks, Hopefully tomorrow. Today my one cat was hit by a car and I > spent the day driving him from the local vet to large regional vet center > and writing checks. However he will survive. Lost his tail, had a part of > his femur in his hip socket replaced, badly dislocated jaw fixed itself. My > daughter had to get a second job to pay for her pound dog's chemo last year. > > Exhaustedly, > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Warwick, I think my daughter really warrants the sainthood. She adopted a dog from the pound. He got leukemia. Needed $7000 worth of chemo. She had to get a second job to pay for it. Now that's devotion. I have a neighbor who has a cat with a cleft palate and doesn't eat normally too good. She's a nurse, thank God. I suspect they'd repair the palate for only a few thousand at this place where my cat is. I think my daughter's dog is worth more than my eleven year old car .... hmm, my cat probably is worth more too. Trying to reduce guilt due to an off topic post...... The Scotch Irish can be quite fond of their animals. I have sometimes called my family "the people who couldn't stop farming.' We have a funny story about a cousin of my mother, a very proper lady married to a local mortician, whose goat developed an intestinal disorder. There was no way to get him to the vet but in the new hearse. So she loaded him in, she in high heels, hat, gloves (it was the 40s) and off she drove. Unfortunately goat got a diarhea attack on the way. They needed a new hearse. I don't think he divorced her, but it was close. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warwick Beadle" <warwick30@gmail.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:27:52 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Sorry no lookups today Hi Linda, I'm nominating you for Sainthood. Take as long as you need off. Will allow me to clean up my inbox in the meantime :-) Hugs, Warwick On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:45 PM, <lmerle@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi folks, Hopefully tomorrow. Today my one cat was hit by a car and I > spent the day driving him from the local vet to large regional vet center > and writing checks. However he will survive. Lost his tail, had a part of > his femur in his hip socket replaced, badly dislocated jaw fixed itself. My > daughter had to get a second job to pay for her pound dog's chemo last year. > > Exhaustedly, > > Linda Merle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message