I was looking at the Scottish DNA Project results and wanted to note the diversity of haplogroups is more diverse than one would expect. Although the majority haplogroup is R1b, other haplogroups are R1a, A, E, I, and J, with a few G, L, N, K, and one C. To paraphrase Kermit the Frog, "It ain't easy being Scottish." Les Tate ========== On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:00 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Heather, gee, understandable? > > I haven't read any of these books, so if anyone else has found a good one, let us know. I have read some older ones (whose names I forget). > > I saw in a blog this one, highly recommended and that seemed clear and comprehensive. > http://scottishdna.blogspot.com/2011/11/dna-and-social-networking-guide-to.html > > I tend to read a lot of what is on line, like info at www.familytreedna.com as well as lurking on various lists. The DNA Newbie list at rootsweb is good too. > > It is interesting that the review for the book, above, indicates it is the one of its type to discuss autosomal testing, which has been around for years. This is the main reason why I haven't read the books-- they are a couple years behind what you can learn on the Internet. Still I thought the one above looked great from an outline of it I saw posted somewhere. > > ISOGG (I'm a member as I admin a project) has many resources: > http://www.isogg.org/ > (Join their DNA Newbie list). > One of their pages lists Kerchner's book list. He knows about DNA genealogy and is light years more knowledgable than I am: > http://www.kerchner.com/books/dnabooks.htm > > You also may need to sort out some chaff. Posting Y results to ysearch, for example, is like baiting a hook and sticking it in the pond. Sometimes you snag Charles Kerchner but you also get catfish. Catfish can be hard to identify. I am on the main ISOGG list so I know who is well thought of though I can't understand their posts <grin>. Of course there are others who don't 'play' in that particular 'sandbox' who have valid projects underway. If it is is rude, impatient, lacking credentials, and attempting to crowbar your DNA into a particular obsession, throw it back. Like the BI's, trying to use DNA to prove the ancient Israelites came to Britain and the folks trying to prove all the Scotch Irish are Irish or all the Irish are Scots. The latter two we do run into, or rather, I do. Even if your most ancient ancestors were M222 positive, we don't know where it originated and actually, it doesn't matter at all. Ethnic identity is not a Y chromosome. I don't even have one, bu! t ! > I do have ethnic identity, though it is weird <grin>. We are not the sum total of our DNA. We're a lot more. Or in some cases, less <grin>. Like my cat: he has a gene for a tail but he got no tail anymore. People trying to win ethnic wars using DNA ... gee, maybe someday we'll discover a pill for that. > > It's even hard to find an authority who will review your results and give you an answer you can understand and that is right, today. This stuff changes rapidly, so the expert's conclusions could be wrong tomorrow when the current theories on the human genome are debunked again. Though it is not 100% true, in this area, the principals do battle on various Internet lists. They do tend to go silent before publishing since they don't want to spill the beans to their competitors. After they publish, by which I generally mean articles in peer reviewed journals like this one: http://www.jogg.info/ -- it's like tossing fish into a pond of sharks. I've watched a few of these on the genealogy-DNA list. Wow! > > Many people don't publish their results. I had someone send me a spreadsheet and expect me to analyze it and come up with the same results as he did. Actually, I was an English major. I can talk to fairies a lot easier than I can run macros in speadsheets. I suggested perhaps he should send me a write up of what he found and he got angry. This is definitely an old stinky catfish I had snagged on my line. I tried to toss it back fast before it slimed my boat and took a chunk out of me <grin>. > > When it comes to analyzing specific results, it's difficult. The folk in the Newbie lists, your admin (if you are the admin, join the ISOGG list), folk on the type of DNA you have. For each type there are significant markers. You need to know what those are. There are often fast moving markers as well that sometimes people 'throw out'. Some do not believe they are of any value. Others think they are. You cannot use the software provided by www.familytreedna.com except to 'eyeball' results. This is a constant theme on lists I lurk on because it assumes a common average of mutations across all the tested markers, while each one mutates at a unique rate. So I have known cousins that I know are related but with 67 markers they are so far off (7) that the FTDNA software says they're not related. This is because they only differ on fast moving markers and also this is fast mutating DNA. We only know that because we tested multiple men descended from several brothers who live din! t! > he 1700s, of varying, known degrees of relatedness, as well as some who were not related. > > You can get the theories from a book, but a lot of information you can only learn on the lists. > > Kerchner, in particular, has produced tools for analyzing DNA that may be better than ftdna's. I don't know ..... Not even an intermediate spreadsheet user. > > Hopefully someone can make some more specific suggestions. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Dau" <dau@interlog.com> > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:50:29 PM > Subject: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > > Heather > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather, gee, understandable? I haven't read any of these books, so if anyone else has found a good one, let us know. I have read some older ones (whose names I forget). I saw in a blog this one, highly recommended and that seemed clear and comprehensive. http://scottishdna.blogspot.com/2011/11/dna-and-social-networking-guide-to.html I tend to read a lot of what is on line, like info at www.familytreedna.com as well as lurking on various lists. The DNA Newbie list at rootsweb is good too. It is interesting that the review for the book, above, indicates it is the one of its type to discuss autosomal testing, which has been around for years. This is the main reason why I haven't read the books-- they are a couple years behind what you can learn on the Internet. Still I thought the one above looked great from an outline of it I saw posted somewhere. ISOGG (I'm a member as I admin a project) has many resources: http://www.isogg.org/ (Join their DNA Newbie list). One of their pages lists Kerchner's book list. He knows about DNA genealogy and is light years more knowledgable than I am: http://www.kerchner.com/books/dnabooks.htm You also may need to sort out some chaff. Posting Y results to ysearch, for example, is like baiting a hook and sticking it in the pond. Sometimes you snag Charles Kerchner but you also get catfish. Catfish can be hard to identify. I am on the main ISOGG list so I know who is well thought of though I can't understand their posts <grin>. Of course there are others who don't 'play' in that particular 'sandbox' who have valid projects underway. If it is is rude, impatient, lacking credentials, and attempting to crowbar your DNA into a particular obsession, throw it back. Like the BI's, trying to use DNA to prove the ancient Israelites came to Britain and the folks trying to prove all the Scotch Irish are Irish or all the Irish are Scots. The latter two we do run into, or rather, I do. Even if your most ancient ancestors were M222 positive, we don't know where it originated and actually, it doesn't matter at all. Ethnic identity is not a Y chromosome. I don't even have one, but I do have ethnic identity, though it is weird <grin>. We are not the sum total of our DNA. We're a lot more. Or in some cases, less <grin>. Like my cat: he has a gene for a tail but he got no tail anymore. People trying to win ethnic wars using DNA ... gee, maybe someday we'll discover a pill for that. It's even hard to find an authority who will review your results and give you an answer you can understand and that is right, today. This stuff changes rapidly, so the expert's conclusions could be wrong tomorrow when the current theories on the human genome are debunked again. Though it is not 100% true, in this area, the principals do battle on various Internet lists. They do tend to go silent before publishing since they don't want to spill the beans to their competitors. After they publish, by which I generally mean articles in peer reviewed journals like this one: http://www.jogg.info/ -- it's like tossing fish into a pond of sharks. I've watched a few of these on the genealogy-DNA list. Wow! Many people don't publish their results. I had someone send me a spreadsheet and expect me to analyze it and come up with the same results as he did. Actually, I was an English major. I can talk to fairies a lot easier than I can run macros in speadsheets. I suggested perhaps he should send me a write up of what he found and he got angry. This is definitely an old stinky catfish I had snagged on my line. I tried to toss it back fast before it slimed my boat and took a chunk out of me <grin>. When it comes to analyzing specific results, it's difficult. The folk in the Newbie lists, your admin (if you are the admin, join the ISOGG list), folk on the type of DNA you have. For each type there are significant markers. You need to know what those are. There are often fast moving markers as well that sometimes people 'throw out'. Some do not believe they are of any value. Others think they are. You cannot use the software provided by www.familytreedna.com except to 'eyeball' results. This is a constant theme on lists I lurk on because it assumes a common average of mutations across all the tested markers, while each one mutates at a unique rate. So I have known cousins that I know are related but with 67 markers they are so far off (7) that the FTDNA software says they're not related. This is because they only differ on fast moving markers and also this is fast mutating DNA. We only know that because we tested multiple men descended from several brothers who live din the 1700s, of varying, known degrees of relatedness, as well as some who were not related. You can get the theories from a book, but a lot of information you can only learn on the lists. Kerchner, in particular, has produced tools for analyzing DNA that may be better than ftdna's. I don't know ..... Not even an intermediate spreadsheet user. Hopefully someone can make some more specific suggestions. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Dau" <dau@interlog.com> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:50:29 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA Made Simple Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. Heather ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. Heather

I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or brother's sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define the haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster there, many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus,! there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined as more advanced SNP tests become available. Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's origin and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then 37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. However by working together over about two years, we found our common ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are descendants of a different son of that ancestor. We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being born somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found he was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780. What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy research. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. It is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back in time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests done, since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the questions you may have because more questions arise with each new finding. Les Tate ========== On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > > Heather > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes indeed and one would have to study each parish to see how it was created, a couple of parishes could be joined together to make one, if populations was low. Others created out of sections of 2 parishes to create a new parish. As I said before, some parishes swapped townlands. Some people lived at one end of parish while church could be at the other end and often the nearest church for some people could be a few fields away but in another parish.... As I said before, some of mine lived opposite 'their' church but travelled past other churches to go to the one in Monaghan town, in the 1820's, with six kids! So the church anyone attended COULD be anywhere in the area, sometimes even in neighbouring county as some of mine did! Some churches were closed due to lack of population/income for Rector, then reopened years later if population/income was feasible so one might get 10 or 12 years with no records then they restart if church reopened! Meantime people would have attended another parish so some records for a family would be in one church, then another, then restart in original parish when it reopened Where did one's kin go to church? They went to church where they went to church!! /Subject:/ Re: [S-I] Church of Ireland Structure /Date:/ Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:45:31 -0000 /References:/ <mailman.546.1322093421.22836.scotch-irish@rootsweb.com><4ECD9B79.8040509@utvinternet.com><BLU0-SMTP249CE49D50DC08821CD0E74AECE0@phx.gbl> /In-Reply-To:/ <BLU0-SMTP249CE49D50DC08821CD0E74AECE0@phx.gbl> This is a generalisation about how the Church generally worked. For the local information you want you need to enquire with local history sources. The Church of Ireland tried to have a church building in every parish. There may have been areas where they failed. Historically there are reports about the rectory /vicarage being in a ruinous state. There was only one parish church per parish. However there might be also chapels of ease which were churches which were additional to the parish church to meet some local demand, for example you could have a chapel of ease on an estate. The Church of Ireland was financed by means of a church tax on everyone no matter what they believed or where they worshipped, and the main clergyman was appointed by the patron. Here the name was important. The Vicar was appointed by someone else, the patron, the Rector was appointed directly by the Church authorities (This is a very general description). After disestablishment 1869 all parish Clergy were Rectors. Edward

This is a generalisation about how the Church generally worked. For the local information you want you need to enquire with local history sources. The Church of Ireland tried to have a church building in every parish. There may have been areas where they failed. Historically there are reports about the rectory /vicarage being in a ruinous state. There was only one parish church per parish. However there might be also chapels of ease which were churches which were additional to the parish church to meet some local demand, for example you could have a chapel of ease on an estate. The Church of Ireland was financed by means of a church tax on everyone no matter what they believed or where they worshipped, and the main clergyman was appointed by the patron. Here the name was important. The Vicar was appointed by someone else, the patron, the Rector was appointed directly by the Church authorities (This is a very general description). After disestablishment 1869 all parish Clergy were Rectors. Edward > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Bell > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:43 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] Church of Ireland Structure > > This may be a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyway > > Trying to get an understanding of how the Church Of Ireland > Parish structure worked in the 1800's. Does each Parish have > only one church? For example, In the Parish of Donaghmoyne, > was the only C of I church located at Carrickmacross? Did > Clontibret Parish and Inniskeen parish each have one C of I church? > > murray > > > On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:18 PM, D H wrote: > > > Well just off hand...you've Clontibret, Inniskeen and > Carrickmacross... > > > > > > Clontibret records only have one Bell and as the bride gets > married in > > her church you might need to look elsewhere for Bells; > > > > 10th Sept1867 William Bell son of George Bell of Toome, married > > Margaret Leathem dau of Robert Leathem of Avalreagh, > witnesses Robert > > > > Leathem + James Sloan Performed by Archdeacon of Clogher > Rev John C.Wolfe > > > > > > 10th Sept1891 James Campbell son of Samuel Campbell of Clontibret, > > married Annie Elliott dau of Samuel + Isabella Elliott of > Avalreagh, > > Clontibret, witnesses James Finlay + Minnie Elliott > Performed by Rev > > E.J.Bury (Annie's sister Minnie married on 4th Mar1897 to > James Finlay > > son of John Finlay of > > Avalreagh) she also had sisters Charlotte, Margaret Jane, brother > > Robert Donaldson Elliott, > > > > > > So you have Bell of Toome, Elliott of Clontibret and > Avalreagh.... BUT are they part of your lot?? > > > > St Colman's church in Clontibret would get you Elliotts!! > > > > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/mona > > ghan-st-colmans/target11.html is an Elliott g/stone there > > > > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/mona > > ghan-st-colmans/target2.html will get you the Minister's > > name/address/phone number > > > > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/mark > > ers.htm will get you the index to 100's of g/stone photos > that I and a > > few others have put on IGP site for Monaghan > > > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ will get you the > counties list where you can search g/stones in other counties. > > > > Plus there is a general'search' button... > > > > > > > > On 24/11/2011 00:10, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> From: Murray Bell<murraybel@msn.com> > >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books.. > >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > >> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP135FC2F9DD6AA1803D7D7B6AECE0@phx.gbl> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> DH > >> > >> Good advice. Checked out some adjoining townlands in > Griffiths& 1911 census. Found Bells in both on a adjoining > townland-Lower Cordrummans. Can't access Tithe books on line, > Will get over to the library next week to check them out. > >> > >> The Bells in Griffiths and the 1911 census were Church of > Ireland. Do you where the nearby C of I churches were? > >> > >> thanks, murray > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyway Trying to get an understanding of how the Church Of Ireland Parish structure worked in the 1800's. Does each Parish have only one church? For example, In the Parish of Donaghmoyne, was the only C of I church located at Carrickmacross? Did Clontibret Parish and Inniskeen parish each have one C of I church? murray On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:18 PM, D H wrote: > Well just off hand...you've Clontibret, Inniskeen and Carrickmacross... > > > Clontibret records only have one Bell and as the bride gets married in her church you might need to look elsewhere for Bells; > > 10th Sept1867 William Bell son of George Bell of Toome, married Margaret Leathem dau of Robert Leathem of Avalreagh, witnesses Robert > > Leathem + James Sloan Performed by Archdeacon of Clogher Rev John C.Wolfe > > > 10th Sept1891 James Campbell son of Samuel Campbell of Clontibret, married Annie Elliott dau of Samuel + Isabella Elliott of Avalreagh, Clontibret, > witnesses James Finlay + Minnie Elliott Performed by Rev E.J.Bury (Annie's sister Minnie married on 4th Mar1897 to James Finlay son of John Finlay of > Avalreagh) she also had sisters Charlotte, Margaret Jane, brother Robert Donaldson Elliott, > > > So you have Bell of Toome, Elliott of Clontibret and Avalreagh.... BUT are they part of your lot?? > > St Colman's church in Clontibret would get you Elliotts!! > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-st-colmans/target11.html is an Elliott g/stone there > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-st-colmans/target2.html will get you the Minister's name/address/phone number > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/markers.htm will get you the index to 100's of g/stone photos that I and a few > others have put on IGP site for Monaghan > > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ will get you the counties list where you can search g/stones in other counties. > > Plus there is a general'search' button... > > > > On 24/11/2011 00:10, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> From: Murray Bell<murraybel@msn.com> >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books.. >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP135FC2F9DD6AA1803D7D7B6AECE0@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> DH >> >> Good advice. Checked out some adjoining townlands in Griffiths& 1911 census. Found Bells in both on a adjoining townland-Lower Cordrummans. Can't access Tithe books on line, Will get over to the library next week to check them out. >> >> The Bells in Griffiths and the 1911 census were Church of Ireland. Do you where the nearby C of I churches were? >> >> thanks, murray > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Robert, I live in Dublin but hope tobe able to access PRONI. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster Ancestry" <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) > > Hello Tom. > > This depends where you are located. > If you are in NI ,there are copies at The Public Record Office of Northern > Ireland {PRONI} Titanic Quarter, Belfast. > > regards > Robert > > >> From: tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:53:19 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) >> >> Robert, >> Please say where I may obtain the Pres. Millrow records to enable a >> search >> for my ancestors. >> Thank you, >> Tom Speer. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Well just off hand...you've Clontibret, Inniskeen and Carrickmacross... Clontibret records only have one Bell and as the bride gets married in her church you might need to look elsewhere for Bells; 10th Sept1867 William Bell son of George Bell of Toome, married Margaret Leathem dau of Robert Leathem of Avalreagh, witnesses Robert Leathem + James Sloan Performed by Archdeacon of Clogher Rev John C.Wolfe 10th Sept1891 James Campbell son of Samuel Campbell of Clontibret, married Annie Elliott dau of Samuel + Isabella Elliott of Avalreagh, Clontibret, witnesses James Finlay + Minnie Elliott Performed by Rev E.J.Bury (Annie's sister Minnie married on 4th Mar1897 to James Finlay son of John Finlay of Avalreagh) she also had sisters Charlotte, Margaret Jane, brother Robert Donaldson Elliott, So you have Bell of Toome, Elliott of Clontibret and Avalreagh.... BUT are they part of your lot?? St Colman's church in Clontibret would get you Elliotts!! http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-st-colmans/target11.html is an Elliott g/stone there http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-st-colmans/target2.html will get you the Minister's name/address/phone number http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/markers.htm will get you the index to 100's of g/stone photos that I and a few others have put on IGP site for Monaghan http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ will get you the counties list where you can search g/stones in other counties. Plus there is a general'search' button... On 24/11/2011 00:10, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: Murray Bell<murraybel@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books.. > To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP135FC2F9DD6AA1803D7D7B6AECE0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > DH > > Good advice. Checked out some adjoining townlands in Griffiths& 1911 census. Found Bells in both on a adjoining townland-Lower Cordrummans. Can't access Tithe books on line, Will get over to the library next week to check them out. > > The Bells in Griffiths and the 1911 census were Church of Ireland. Do you where the nearby C of I churches were? > > thanks, murray

Thanks Ed, I prefer to look at registers myself and look at each parish individually. It was just the dates I needed. DH On 23/11/2011 18:59, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > DH > > As Robert has noted, the Millrow records began in 1675/1677. Many of > these are listed as IGI entries on the Family Search site. > > Ed

DH Good advice. Checked out some adjoining townlands in Griffiths & 1911 census. Found Bells in both on a adjoining townland-Lower Cordrummans. Can't access Tithe books on line, Will get over to the library next week to check them out. The Bells in Griffiths and the 1911 census were Church of Ireland. Do you where the nearby C of I churches were? thanks, murray On Nov 19, 2011, at 8:27 PM, D H wrote: > It is not that simple! Just take, for example, the townland of Feegavla, as per map. 256 acres, they could easily derive from a family in next townland! > > My cousin lives in one townland, opposite his window are 2 fields across narrow road as part of his farm, one field in another townland but in same > parish, the other field in yet another townland but this one in a different parish..so if his sons build 2 houses adjoining each other, with dividing > wall on townland boundary, they would be neighbours but in 2 different townlands and parishes!! > > So, if I stand in centre of road outside his front door I can stand in 3 townlands and 2 parishes. Quite a common thing!! The 2 houses would be within > 10 yards the homestead... > > You need to, at a MINIMUM, check the surrounding townlands.....!! With Eliot/Eliott/Elliott in mind!! Bell spelling is probably safe enough BUT while > researching Halls I did come across Hawls....grrrrrr > > Looking at the local churches and when their records start, they are too late, except for Carrickmacross itself in late 1700's....PRONI ref; Mic/1/173/A-E > > DH > > > > > On 19/11/2011 23:33, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP1610D13FF9D48123CAC0E80AEC50@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> D H >> >> Good site that I will bookmark. It does tell me that the Bells were gone from Feegavla by Griffiths. No surprise as my ancestor emigrated in 1840. >> >> Also thanks for providing all the different spellings of Figevly& Feegavla. Useful info. >> >> thanks, murray > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good stuff thanks On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:05 PM, D H wrote: > 157 townlands in Donaghmoyne as follows in Irish/English > > * Achadh an Bhile/Aghavilla > * Achadh an tSeiscinn/Aghateskin > * Achadh Draighneach/Aghadreenan > * Achadh Farcáin/Aghnafarcan > * Achadh Íseal/Agheeshal > * Achadh na hÁithe/Annahaia > * An Chlochóg agus Taobh an Duine/Cloghoge and Tievadinna > * An Chorr Uinseogach (Cope)/Corrinshigagh (Cope) > * An Chraobhaigh (Oliver)/Creevy (Oliver) > * An Chraobhaigh (Swinburn)/Creevy (Swinburn) > * Ard Circe/Ardkirk > * Áth an Chlocháin/Aghacloghan > * An Bac Íochtarach/Bocks Lower > * An Bac Meánach/Bocks Middle > * An Bac Uachtarach/Bocks Upper > * Baile an tSratha/Tray > * An Bheitheach/Beagh > * Bliotóg/Blittoge > * An Bhreacach/Brackagh > * An Bhreaclaigh/Brackly > * Bun an Ghleanna/Monyglen > * An Chabrach/Capragh > * An Caisleán Thiar/Cashlan West > * An Caisleán Thoir/Cashlan East > * An Chalgach/Colgagh > * Caonaire Buí/Keeneraboy > * Carraig an Ghualaigh/Carrickavoley > * An Charraig Leathan/Carricklane > * Carraigeach Lios na nAirne/Cargaghlisnanarney > * Céide na gCuileann/Kednagullion > * Céide na Minseach/Kednaminsha > * Cill Mhuire/Kilmurry > * Clais Láir/Crossalare > * Cluain an Bhogaigh/Clonavogy > * Cluain na gCreatán/Coolnagrattan > * An Cnoc Riabhach Íochtarach/Knockreagh Lower > * An Cnoc Riabhach Uachtarach/Knockreagh Upper > * Coill an Bhroic/Killabrick > * Coill na Cranncha/Kilnacranfy > * Coill Rua/Killarue > * Na Coillte Beaga/Kiltybegs > * Corr an Aoire/Corrinary > * Corr an Tí Móir/Corrateemore > * Corr an tSiáin/Corrateean > * Corr Bhua/Corravoo > * Corr Chuilinn Chraobha/Corcullioncrew > * Corr Chuilinn Ghlaise/Corcullionglish > * Corr Dhromainne Íochtarach/Cordrummans Lower > * Corr Dhromainne Mheánach/Cordrummans Middle > * Corr Dhromainne Uachtarach/Cordrummans Upper > * Corr Leice/Corleck > * Corr Lí Ghoirm/Corlygorm > * An Chorr Liath/Corlea > * Corr Mhaí Íochtarach/Cormoy Lower > * Corr Mhaí Uachtarach/Cormoy Upper > * Corr Mhaí/Cormoy > * Corr na Craoibhe/Cornacrew > * Corr na hAbhla/Cornahawla > * Corr na nAireamh/Cornanerriff > * Corr na nGall/Cornagall > * Corr na nIúr/Cornanure > * Corr na Sliabh/Cornasleeve > * Corr Uí Ágáin/Corryagan > * An Chorr Uinseogach/Corrinshigagh > * Cruabhar/Crover > * Cúil Chéire/Coolcair > * Cúil na Sceitheach/Coolskeagh > * An Chuileanntrach Bhán/Cullentraghbane > * An Chuileanntrach Dhubh/Cullentraghduff > * Cúldoire/Coolderry > * An Daingean/Dian > * Domhnach Maighean/Donaghmoyne > * Droim Achaidh Chonbheirn/Drumaconvern > * Droim an Mhadaidh/Drumavaddy > * Droim Bearach/Drumberagh > * Droim Bhlonaige/Drumlandrick > * Droim Chatáin/Drumcattan > * Droim Chiorradh/Drumharriff North > * Droim Dhamh Íochtarach/Drumganus Lower > * Droim Dhamh Uachtarach/Drumganus Upper > * Droim Dhraighnigh/Drumdreeny > * Droim Dhristin Íochtarach/Drumgristin Lower > * Droim Dhristin Uachtarach/Drumgristin Upper > * Droim Geanaí/Drumganny > * Droim Guaise/Drumgoose > * Droim Iolaird/Drumillard > * Droim Loirge/Drumlurg > * Droim Loiscthe/Drumlusty > * Droim Mhic Cúmhaí/Drummacavoy > * Droim na nDealbh/Drumnanaliv > * Droim Néill/Drumneill > * Droim Shaileach/Drumhillagh > * Droim Thairbh/Drumharriff > * Droim Thamhain/Drumhaman > * Na Droimne/Drumny > * An Dromainn Riabhach/Drummanreagh > * Dún an Fhraoigh/Dunaree > * Dún Drocáin/Dundrockan > * Dún Eanaigh/Dunanny > * Dúráth/Dooraa > * Eachroim Beag/Aughrim Beg > * Eachroim Mór/Aughrim More > * Éadan Giolla Riabhaigh/Edengilrevy > * Eanach Ghoirill/Annagerril > * Na hEanaigh/Anny > * Eochaill/Oghill > * Fiodh Gaibhle/Feegavla > * Fionncharn/Fincarn > * Garbhthulaigh/Garrifly > * An Garrán Rua nó Corr na Muclach/Garranroe or Cornamucklagh > * Na Gortáin/Gorteens > * An Láithreach/Laragh > * Leaca Fionna/Lackafin > * Leacht Dhún an Fhraoigh/Dunaree Latin > * Leacht Uí Fhlannagáin/Lattylanigan > * Leamhchoill Íochtarach/Longfield Etra > * Leamhchoill Uachtarach/Longfield Otra > * Lios an Choill/Lisaquill > * Lios an Ghabhair/Lisagore > * Lios Cathail/Lisgall > * Lios Dúnáin/Lisdoonan > * Lios na Fionaíle/Lisnafinelly > * Lios na gCoincheann/Lisnagunnion > * Lios na Maoile Íochtarach/Lisnamoyle Etra > * Lios na Maoile Uachtarach/Lisnamoyle Otra > * Lios na Meacan/Lisnamacka > * An Lorgain Bhuí/Lurganboys > * Machaire na Cille/Maghernakill > * An Magh/Muff > * Maigh Mónann/Momony > * Maigh na gCarbad/Monygorbet > * Maigh Náille/Monalia > * Maigh nEanaigh/Monanny > * An Mhaoil/Moyles > * Mucair/Mucker > * Muine na nGiorria/Monanagirr > * Mullach na bhFeannóg/Mullanavannog > * An Mullach Uinseannach/Mullaghunshinagh > * Doire Oileáin nó Cnoc na Mallach/Derryilan or Knocknamullagh > * Corr Gharraí nó Srúil/Corragarry or Sruell > * Raithnigh/Rahans > * An Ráth Mór/Rathmore > * Ros Draighneach/Rossdreenagh > * An Seanchuach Bán/Shancobane > * An Seanchuach Dubh/Shancoduff > * An Táite Buí/Tattyboy > * Tamhnach Oilealla/Tonyellida > * Tamhnaigh Mhic Giolla Mhártain/Tullymackilmartin > * Taplach/Taplagh > * Tuaim/Toome > * Tuaisceart/Tusker > * Tulaigh Bhanrach Íochtarach/Tullyvaragh Lower > * Tulaigh Bhanrach Uachtarach/Tullyvaragh Upper > * Tulaigh Luacharnaí/Tullylougherny > * Tulaigh na Croise/Tullynacross > * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Theas/Tullanacrunat South > * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Thuaidh/Tullanacrunat North > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Linda -- if you email me a chapter, I'll be happy (or at least willing) to read/review/comment/whatever. Mike~~ Michael F. McCartney Fremont, California -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-request <scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com> To: scotch-irish <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:44 am Subject: SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 279 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tithe Applotment Books...Donaghmoyne townlands (D H) 2. F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) (D H) 3. Re: Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? (lmerle@comcast.net) 4. Re: (re Milrow records) (Ulster Ancestry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:05:13 +0000 From: D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books...Donaghmoyne townlands To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4ECC46C9.4040308@utvinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 157 townlands in Donaghmoyne as follows in Irish/English * Achadh an Bhile/Aghavilla * Achadh an tSeiscinn/Aghateskin * Achadh Draighneach/Aghadreenan * Achadh Farc?in/Aghnafarcan * Achadh ?seal/Agheeshal * Achadh na h?ithe/Annahaia * An Chloch?g agus Taobh an Duine/Cloghoge and Tievadinna * An Chorr Uinseogach (Cope)/Corrinshigagh (Cope) * An Chraobhaigh (Oliver)/Creevy (Oliver) * An Chraobhaigh (Swinburn)/Creevy (Swinburn) * Ard Circe/Ardkirk * ?th an Chloch?in/Aghacloghan * An Bac ?ochtarach/Bocks Lower * An Bac Me?nach/Bocks Middle * An Bac Uachtarach/Bocks Upper * Baile an tSratha/Tray * An Bheitheach/Beagh * Bliot?g/Blittoge * An Bhreacach/Brackagh * An Bhreaclaigh/Brackly * Bun an Ghleanna/Monyglen * An Chabrach/Capragh * An Caisle?n Thiar/Cashlan West * An Caisle?n Thoir/Cashlan East * An Chalgach/Colgagh * Caonaire Bu?/Keeneraboy * Carraig an Ghualaigh/Carrickavoley * An Charraig Leathan/Carricklane * Carraigeach Lios na nAirne/Cargaghlisnanarney * C?ide na gCuileann/Kednagullion * C?ide na Minseach/Kednaminsha * Cill Mhuire/Kilmurry * Clais L?ir/Crossalare * Cluain an Bhogaigh/Clonavogy * Cluain na gCreat?n/Coolnagrattan * An Cnoc Riabhach ?ochtarach/Knockreagh Lower * An Cnoc Riabhach Uachtarach/Knockreagh Upper * Coill an Bhroic/Killabrick * Coill na Cranncha/Kilnacranfy * Coill Rua/Killarue * Na Coillte Beaga/Kiltybegs * Corr an Aoire/Corrinary * Corr an T? M?ir/Corrateemore * Corr an tSi?in/Corrateean * Corr Bhua/Corravoo * Corr Chuilinn Chraobha/Corcullioncrew * Corr Chuilinn Ghlaise/Corcullionglish * Corr Dhromainne ?ochtarach/Cordrummans Lower * Corr Dhromainne Mhe?nach/Cordrummans Middle * Corr Dhromainne Uachtarach/Cordrummans Upper * Corr Leice/Corleck * Corr L? Ghoirm/Corlygorm * An Chorr Liath/Corlea * Corr Mha? ?ochtarach/Cormoy Lower * Corr Mha? Uachtarach/Cormoy Upper * Corr Mha?/Cormoy * Corr na Craoibhe/Cornacrew * Corr na hAbhla/Cornahawla * Corr na nAireamh/Cornanerriff * Corr na nGall/Cornagall * Corr na nI?r/Cornanure * Corr na Sliabh/Cornasleeve * Corr U? ?g?in/Corryagan * An Chorr Uinseogach/Corrinshigagh * Cruabhar/Crover * C?il Ch?ire/Coolcair * C?il na Sceitheach/Coolskeagh * An Chuileanntrach Bh?n/Cullentraghbane * An Chuileanntrach Dhubh/Cullentraghduff * C?ldoire/Coolderry * An Daingean/Dian * Domhnach Maighean/Donaghmoyne * Droim Achaidh Chonbheirn/Drumaconvern * Droim an Mhadaidh/Drumavaddy * Droim Bearach/Drumberagh * Droim Bhlonaige/Drumlandrick * Droim Chat?in/Drumcattan * Droim Chiorradh/Drumharriff North * Droim Dhamh ?ochtarach/Drumganus Lower * Droim Dhamh Uachtarach/Drumganus Upper * Droim Dhraighnigh/Drumdreeny * Droim Dhristin ?ochtarach/Drumgristin Lower * Droim Dhristin Uachtarach/Drumgristin Upper * Droim Geana?/Drumganny * Droim Guaise/Drumgoose * Droim Iolaird/Drumillard * Droim Loirge/Drumlurg * Droim Loiscthe/Drumlusty * Droim Mhic C?mha?/Drummacavoy * Droim na nDealbh/Drumnanaliv * Droim N?ill/Drumneill * Droim Shaileach/Drumhillagh * Droim Thairbh/Drumharriff * Droim Thamhain/Drumhaman * Na Droimne/Drumny * An Dromainn Riabhach/Drummanreagh * D?n an Fhraoigh/Dunaree * D?n Droc?in/Dundrockan * D?n Eanaigh/Dunanny * D?r?th/Dooraa * Eachroim Beag/Aughrim Beg * Eachroim M?r/Aughrim More * ?adan Giolla Riabhaigh/Edengilrevy * Eanach Ghoirill/Annagerril * Na hEanaigh/Anny * Eochaill/Oghill * Fiodh Gaibhle/Feegavla * Fionncharn/Fincarn * Garbhthulaigh/Garrifly * An Garr?n Rua n? Corr na Muclach/Garranroe or Cornamucklagh * Na Gort?in/Gorteens * An L?ithreach/Laragh * Leaca Fionna/Lackafin * Leacht Dh?n an Fhraoigh/Dunaree Latin * Leacht U? Fhlannag?in/Lattylanigan * Leamhchoill ?ochtarach/Longfield Etra * Leamhchoill Uachtarach/Longfield Otra * Lios an Choill/Lisaquill * Lios an Ghabhair/Lisagore * Lios Cathail/Lisgall * Lios D?n?in/Lisdoonan * Lios na Fiona?le/Lisnafinelly * Lios na gCoincheann/Lisnagunnion * Lios na Maoile ?ochtarach/Lisnamoyle Etra * Lios na Maoile Uachtarach/Lisnamoyle Otra * Lios na Meacan/Lisnamacka * An Lorgain Bhu?/Lurganboys * Machaire na Cille/Maghernakill * An Magh/Muff * Maigh M?nann/Momony * Maigh na gCarbad/Monygorbet * Maigh N?ille/Monalia * Maigh nEanaigh/Monanny * An Mhaoil/Moyles * Mucair/Mucker * Muine na nGiorria/Monanagirr * Mullach na bhFeann?g/Mullanavannog * An Mullach Uinseannach/Mullaghunshinagh * Doire Oile?in n? Cnoc na Mallach/Derryilan or Knocknamullagh * Corr Gharra? n? Sr?il/Corragarry or Sruell * Raithnigh/Rahans * An R?th M?r/Rathmore * Ros Draighneach/Rossdreenagh * An Seanchuach B?n/Shancobane * An Seanchuach Dubh/Shancoduff * An T?ite Bu?/Tattyboy * Tamhnach Oilealla/Tonyellida * Tamhnaigh Mhic Giolla Mh?rtain/Tullymackilmartin * Taplach/Taplagh * Tuaim/Toome * Tuaisceart/Tusker * Tulaigh Bhanrach ?ochtarach/Tullyvaragh Lower * Tulaigh Bhanrach Uachtarach/Tullyvaragh Upper * Tulaigh Luacharna?/Tullylougherny * Tulaigh na Croise/Tullynacross * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Theas/Tullanacrunat South * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Thuaidh/Tullanacrunat North ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:38:28 +0000 From: D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> Subject: [S-I] F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4ECC4E94.8070703@utvinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ed Your email server doesn't like my email server so can't email you direct but can you tell me please if you know; 'Do Millrow records go back this far?' DH On 22/11/2011 23:11, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Edwin O'Brien"<edlobrien@dslextreme.com> > >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:46:08 PM > >> Subject: [S-I] Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster > >> 1641-1691" > >> > >> Hi Linda. > >> > >> I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in > >> the > >> late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak > >> (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as reported on > >> the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow > >> Presbyterian Church records. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:02:10 +0000 (UTC) From: lmerle@comcast.net Subject: Re: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <110588625.152405.1322017330120.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi folks, sorry that this is another off topic thread caused by me. I will send myself some emails and threaten to kick myself off the list if it continues <grin>. Also I thought I asked this in September or some time ago..... Now is kinda late. Esp. since what I sent out earlier I got no responses from at all. So this isn't a useful way to get feedback, esp. with Christmas coming on. Probably not too many Jewish people on this list or ones who are so annoyed by the commercialization of a religious holiday that they got nothing to do but read a boring chapter in a very boring book. I even sent chapters to family members and they didn't return comments -- neither insults relating to my 'findings' nor corrections to awkward sentences <grin>. Sorry again for no lookups, but trying to complete today's work (at 10 PM) due to spending whole morning taking cat to vet and back. He's mending but still consuming lots of time. Manana, I hope. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <KarenHart@maine.rr.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:26:29 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? I would be delilghtedly happy to read a chapter or so and to provide feedback. Thanks, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmerle@comcast.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:16 PM Subject: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? > Hi folks, > > Is anyone willing to read about 40 pages, a chapter in a book, and give > some frank feedback on the logic? It involves colonial Virginian families. > The situation is familiar: there were 3 brothers who manifested in VA > about 1770 and later moved to TN. No one has ever found any proof of their > origins though various theories have been put forth. My task was to sort > through it all, figure out what was probable and what wasn't, and to > figure out where they came from. To accomplish this I vacuumed up a lot of > data and then analyzed it (the hard part). ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:31:07 +0000 From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY148-W56C1A6EC740B9480CFEE96C3C90@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello DH Millrow registers survive as follows: Pres. 1st Antrim (Millrow) Baptisms, 1677-1733, 1753-85, 1791-2 and 1820-1960; marriages, 1675-1736, 1820-39 and 1845-1913; deaths, 1820-35; indexes to baptisms, 1677-1733 and 1820-39, and to marriages, 1675-1736 and 1820-39; family records for the late 18th and 19th centuries; stipend account books, 1837-64 and 1885-1924; communion roll, 1854-9; Sabbath School library loan book, 1870 and 1879-81; account books, 1821-61 and 1870-76; list of seatholders, 1838; session minutes, 1823-4; 1831-2, 1834-9 and 1842-54; a register of leaving certificates, 1842-50; Sabbath School receipt and expenditure book, 1835-62, with a weekly roll of teachers and salaries, 1840-41. regards Robert > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:38:28 +0000 > From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-I] F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) > > Ed > > Your email server doesn't like my email server so can't email you direct but can you tell me please if you know; 'Do Millrow records go back this far?' > > DH > > > > > On 22/11/2011 23:11, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > From: "Edwin O'Brien"<edlobrien@dslextreme.com> > > >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:46:08 PM > > >> Subject: [S-I] Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster > > >> 1641-1691" > > >> > > >> Hi Linda. > > >> > > >> I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in > > >> the > > >> late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak > > >> (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as reported on > > >> the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow > > >> Presbyterian Church records. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 279 ********************************************

Hello Tom. This depends where you are located. If you are in NI ,there are copies at The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland {PRONI} Titanic Quarter, Belfast. regards Robert > From: tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:53:19 +0000 > Subject: Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) > > Robert, > Please say where I may obtain the Pres. Millrow records to enable a search > for my ancestors. > Thank you, > Tom Speer. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PRONI. http://www.proni.gov.uk/presbyterian_church_index.pdf /From:/ "Tom Speer" <tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie <mailto:tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie>> /Subject:/ Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) /Date:/ Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:53:19 -0000 /References:/ <mailman.277.1322003496.25486.scotch-irish@rootsweb.com>,<4ECC4E94.8070703@utvinternet.com><BAY148-W56C1A6EC740B9480CFEE96C3C90@phx.gbl> Robert, Please say where I may obtain the Pres. Millrow records to enable a search for my ancestors. Thank you, Tom Speer.

DH As Robert has noted, the Millrow records began in 1675/1677. Many of these are listed as IGI entries on the Family Search site. Ed On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:00 AM, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Tithe Applotment Books...Donaghmoyne townlands (D H) > 2. F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) (D H) > 3. Re: Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? (lmerle@comcast.net) > 4. Re: (re Milrow records) (Ulster Ancestry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:05:13 +0000 > From: D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books...Donaghmoyne townlands > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4ECC46C9.4040308@utvinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > 157 townlands in Donaghmoyne as follows in Irish/English > > * Achadh an Bhile/Aghavilla > * Achadh an tSeiscinn/Aghateskin > * Achadh Draighneach/Aghadreenan > * Achadh Farc?in/Aghnafarcan > * Achadh ?seal/Agheeshal > * Achadh na h?ithe/Annahaia > * An Chloch?g agus Taobh an Duine/Cloghoge and Tievadinna > * An Chorr Uinseogach (Cope)/Corrinshigagh (Cope) > * An Chraobhaigh (Oliver)/Creevy (Oliver) > * An Chraobhaigh (Swinburn)/Creevy (Swinburn) > * Ard Circe/Ardkirk > * ?th an Chloch?in/Aghacloghan > * An Bac ?ochtarach/Bocks Lower > * An Bac Me?nach/Bocks Middle > * An Bac Uachtarach/Bocks Upper > * Baile an tSratha/Tray > * An Bheitheach/Beagh > * Bliot?g/Blittoge > * An Bhreacach/Brackagh > * An Bhreaclaigh/Brackly > * Bun an Ghleanna/Monyglen > * An Chabrach/Capragh > * An Caisle?n Thiar/Cashlan West > * An Caisle?n Thoir/Cashlan East > * An Chalgach/Colgagh > * Caonaire Bu?/Keeneraboy > * Carraig an Ghualaigh/Carrickavoley > * An Charraig Leathan/Carricklane > * Carraigeach Lios na nAirne/Cargaghlisnanarney > * C?ide na gCuileann/Kednagullion > * C?ide na Minseach/Kednaminsha > * Cill Mhuire/Kilmurry > * Clais L?ir/Crossalare > * Cluain an Bhogaigh/Clonavogy > * Cluain na gCreat?n/Coolnagrattan > * An Cnoc Riabhach ?ochtarach/Knockreagh Lower > * An Cnoc Riabhach Uachtarach/Knockreagh Upper > * Coill an Bhroic/Killabrick > * Coill na Cranncha/Kilnacranfy > * Coill Rua/Killarue > * Na Coillte Beaga/Kiltybegs > * Corr an Aoire/Corrinary > * Corr an T? M?ir/Corrateemore > * Corr an tSi?in/Corrateean > * Corr Bhua/Corravoo > * Corr Chuilinn Chraobha/Corcullioncrew > * Corr Chuilinn Ghlaise/Corcullionglish > * Corr Dhromainne ?ochtarach/Cordrummans Lower > * Corr Dhromainne Mhe?nach/Cordrummans Middle > * Corr Dhromainne Uachtarach/Cordrummans Upper > * Corr Leice/Corleck > * Corr L? Ghoirm/Corlygorm > * An Chorr Liath/Corlea > * Corr Mha? ?ochtarach/Cormoy Lower > * Corr Mha? Uachtarach/Cormoy Upper > * Corr Mha?/Cormoy > * Corr na Craoibhe/Cornacrew > * Corr na hAbhla/Cornahawla > * Corr na nAireamh/Cornanerriff > * Corr na nGall/Cornagall > * Corr na nI?r/Cornanure > * Corr na Sliabh/Cornasleeve > * Corr U? ?g?in/Corryagan > * An Chorr Uinseogach/Corrinshigagh > * Cruabhar/Crover > * C?il Ch?ire/Coolcair > * C?il na Sceitheach/Coolskeagh > * An Chuileanntrach Bh?n/Cullentraghbane > * An Chuileanntrach Dhubh/Cullentraghduff > * C?ldoire/Coolderry > * An Daingean/Dian > * Domhnach Maighean/Donaghmoyne > * Droim Achaidh Chonbheirn/Drumaconvern > * Droim an Mhadaidh/Drumavaddy > * Droim Bearach/Drumberagh > * Droim Bhlonaige/Drumlandrick > * Droim Chat?in/Drumcattan > * Droim Chiorradh/Drumharriff North > * Droim Dhamh ?ochtarach/Drumganus Lower > * Droim Dhamh Uachtarach/Drumganus Upper > * Droim Dhraighnigh/Drumdreeny > * Droim Dhristin ?ochtarach/Drumgristin Lower > * Droim Dhristin Uachtarach/Drumgristin Upper > * Droim Geana?/Drumganny > * Droim Guaise/Drumgoose > * Droim Iolaird/Drumillard > * Droim Loirge/Drumlurg > * Droim Loiscthe/Drumlusty > * Droim Mhic C?mha?/Drummacavoy > * Droim na nDealbh/Drumnanaliv > * Droim N?ill/Drumneill > * Droim Shaileach/Drumhillagh > * Droim Thairbh/Drumharriff > * Droim Thamhain/Drumhaman > * Na Droimne/Drumny > * An Dromainn Riabhach/Drummanreagh > * D?n an Fhraoigh/Dunaree > * D?n Droc?in/Dundrockan > * D?n Eanaigh/Dunanny > * D?r?th/Dooraa > * Eachroim Beag/Aughrim Beg > * Eachroim M?r/Aughrim More > * ?adan Giolla Riabhaigh/Edengilrevy > * Eanach Ghoirill/Annagerril > * Na hEanaigh/Anny > * Eochaill/Oghill > * Fiodh Gaibhle/Feegavla > * Fionncharn/Fincarn > * Garbhthulaigh/Garrifly > * An Garr?n Rua n? Corr na Muclach/Garranroe or Cornamucklagh > * Na Gort?in/Gorteens > * An L?ithreach/Laragh > * Leaca Fionna/Lackafin > * Leacht Dh?n an Fhraoigh/Dunaree Latin > * Leacht U? Fhlannag?in/Lattylanigan > * Leamhchoill ?ochtarach/Longfield Etra > * Leamhchoill Uachtarach/Longfield Otra > * Lios an Choill/Lisaquill > * Lios an Ghabhair/Lisagore > * Lios Cathail/Lisgall > * Lios D?n?in/Lisdoonan > * Lios na Fiona?le/Lisnafinelly > * Lios na gCoincheann/Lisnagunnion > * Lios na Maoile ?ochtarach/Lisnamoyle Etra > * Lios na Maoile Uachtarach/Lisnamoyle Otra > * Lios na Meacan/Lisnamacka > * An Lorgain Bhu?/Lurganboys > * Machaire na Cille/Maghernakill > * An Magh/Muff > * Maigh M?nann/Momony > * Maigh na gCarbad/Monygorbet > * Maigh N?ille/Monalia > * Maigh nEanaigh/Monanny > * An Mhaoil/Moyles > * Mucair/Mucker > * Muine na nGiorria/Monanagirr > * Mullach na bhFeann?g/Mullanavannog > * An Mullach Uinseannach/Mullaghunshinagh > * Doire Oile?in n? Cnoc na Mallach/Derryilan or Knocknamullagh > * Corr Gharra? n? Sr?il/Corragarry or Sruell > * Raithnigh/Rahans > * An R?th M?r/Rathmore > * Ros Draighneach/Rossdreenagh > * An Seanchuach B?n/Shancobane > * An Seanchuach Dubh/Shancoduff > * An T?ite Bu?/Tattyboy > * Tamhnach Oilealla/Tonyellida > * Tamhnaigh Mhic Giolla Mh?rtain/Tullymackilmartin > * Taplach/Taplagh > * Tuaim/Toome > * Tuaisceart/Tusker > * Tulaigh Bhanrach ?ochtarach/Tullyvaragh Lower > * Tulaigh Bhanrach Uachtarach/Tullyvaragh Upper > * Tulaigh Luacharna?/Tullylougherny > * Tulaigh na Croise/Tullynacross > * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Theas/Tullanacrunat South > * Tulaigh na Cruithneachta Thuaidh/Tullanacrunat North > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:38:28 +0000 > From: D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> > Subject: [S-I] F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4ECC4E94.8070703@utvinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Ed > > Your email server doesn't like my email server so can't email you > direct but can you tell me please if you know; 'Do Millrow records > go back this far?' > > DH > > > > > On 22/11/2011 23:11, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> From: "Edwin O'Brien"<edlobrien@dslextreme.com> >>>> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:46:08 PM >>>> Subject: [S-I] Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster >>>> 1641-1691" >>>> >>>> Hi Linda. >>>> >>>> I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in >>>> the >>>> late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak >>>> (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as reported >>>> on >>>> the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow >>>> Presbyterian Church records. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:02:10 +0000 (UTC) > From: lmerle@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <110588625.152405.1322017330120.JavaMail.root@sz0165a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi folks, sorry that this is another off topic thread caused by me. > I will send myself some emails and threaten to kick myself off the > list if it continues <grin>. > > Also I thought I asked this in September or some time ago..... Now > is kinda late. Esp. since what I sent out earlier I got no responses > from at all. So this isn't a useful way to get feedback, esp. with > Christmas coming on. Probably not too many Jewish people on this > list or ones who are so annoyed by the commercialization of a > religious holiday that they got nothing to do but read a boring > chapter in a very boring book. I even sent chapters to family > members and they didn't return comments -- neither insults relating > to my 'findings' nor corrections to awkward sentences <grin>. > > Sorry again for no lookups, but trying to complete today's work (at > 10 PM) due to spending whole morning taking cat to vet and back. > He's mending but still consuming lots of time. > > Manana, I hope. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen" <KarenHart@maine.rr.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:26:29 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? > > I would be delilghtedly happy to read a chapter or so and to provide > feedback. > Thanks, > Karen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <lmerle@comcast.net> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:16 PM > Subject: [S-I] Volunteers to read a chapter in a book? > > >> Hi folks, >> >> Is anyone willing to read about 40 pages, a chapter in a book, and >> give >> some frank feedback on the logic? It involves colonial Virginian >> families. >> The situation is familiar: there were 3 brothers who manifested in VA >> about 1770 and later moved to TN. No one has ever found any proof >> of their >> origins though various theories have been put forth. My task was to >> sort >> through it all, figure out what was probable and what wasn't, and to >> figure out where they came from. To accomplish this I vacuumed up a >> lot of >> data and then analyzed it (the hard part). > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:31:07 +0000 > From: Ulster Ancestry <ulsterancestry@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY148-W56C1A6EC740B9480CFEE96C3C90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hello DH > > Millrow registers survive as follows: > > Pres. 1st Antrim (Millrow) > > Baptisms, 1677-1733, 1753-85, 1791-2 and 1820-1960; > marriages, 1675-1736, 1820-39 and 1845-1913; deaths, > 1820-35; indexes to baptisms, 1677-1733 and 1820-39, > and to marriages, 1675-1736 and 1820-39; family records > for the late 18th and 19th centuries; stipend account > books, 1837-64 and 1885-1924; communion roll, 1854-9; > Sabbath School library loan book, 1870 and 1879-81; > account books, 1821-61 and 1870-76; list of > seatholders, > 1838; session minutes, 1823-4; 1831-2, 1834-9 and > 1842-54; a register of leaving certificates, 1842-50; > Sabbath School receipt and expenditure book, 1835-62, > with a weekly roll of teachers and salaries, > 1840-41. > > > regards > Robert > > > >> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:38:28 +0000 >> From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [S-I] F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) >> >> Ed >> >> Your email server doesn't like my email server so can't email you >> direct but can you tell me please if you know; 'Do Millrow records >> go back this far?' >> >> DH >> >> >> >> >> On 22/11/2011 23:11, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >>> From: "Edwin O'Brien"<edlobrien@dslextreme.com> >>>>> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:46:08 PM >>>>> Subject: [S-I] Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster >>>>> 1641-1691" >>>>> >>>>> Hi Linda. >>>>> >>>>> I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in >>>>> the >>>>> late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak >>>>> (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as >>>>> reported on >>>>> the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow >>>>> Presbyterian Church records. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 279 > ********************************************

Robert, Please say where I may obtain the Pres. Millrow records to enable a search for my ancestors. Thank you, Tom Speer.

Thanks Robert, I have it on my long list just haven't looked at dates yet so when I saw mention of it in post I thought I'd ask. DH On 23/11/2011 08:00, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Re: [S-I] (re Milrow records) > To:<scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<BAY148-W56C1A6EC740B9480CFEE96C3C90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hello DH > > Millrow registers survive as follows: > > Pres. 1st Antrim (Millrow) > > Baptisms, 1677-1733, 1753-85, 1791-2 and 1820-1960; > marriages, 1675-1736, 1820-39 and 1845-1913; deaths, > 1820-35; indexes to baptisms, 1677-1733 and 1820-39, > and to marriages, 1675-1736 and 1820-39; family records > for the late 18th and 19th centuries; stipend account > books, 1837-64 and 1885-1924; communion roll, 1854-9; > Sabbath School library loan book, 1870 and 1879-81; > account books, 1821-61 and 1870-76; list of seatholders, > 1838; session minutes, 1823-4; 1831-2, 1834-9 and > 1842-54; a register of leaving certificates, 1842-50; > Sabbath School receipt and expenditure book, 1835-62, > with a weekly roll of teachers and salaries, 1840-41. > > > regards > Robert

After Thanksgiving, I'd be happy to read the 40-page chapter and "edit". Also, to keep on subject... does anyone have any info on the AGNEW families who went to Ireland and then to the colonies... especially Virginia? I descend from William AGNEW and Rachel BOOKER. William was born abt. 1755, place unknown, both died abt. 1830-1835 in Bedford County, Virginia. I know there were Scots-Irish AGNEWs, just don't know if these folks among that group. Thanks, and Happy Thanksgiving to all. -- Carolyn HALE BRUCE Virginia Beach, VA

Hello DH Millrow registers survive as follows: Pres. 1st Antrim (Millrow) Baptisms, 1677-1733, 1753-85, 1791-2 and 1820-1960; marriages, 1675-1736, 1820-39 and 1845-1913; deaths, 1820-35; indexes to baptisms, 1677-1733 and 1820-39, and to marriages, 1675-1736 and 1820-39; family records for the late 18th and 19th centuries; stipend account books, 1837-64 and 1885-1924; communion roll, 1854-9; Sabbath School library loan book, 1870 and 1879-81; account books, 1821-61 and 1870-76; list of seatholders, 1838; session minutes, 1823-4; 1831-2, 1834-9 and 1842-54; a register of leaving certificates, 1842-50; Sabbath School receipt and expenditure book, 1835-62, with a weekly roll of teachers and salaries, 1840-41. regards Robert > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:38:28 +0000 > From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-I] F.A.O. Edwin O'Brien (re Milrow records) > > Ed > > Your email server doesn't like my email server so can't email you direct but can you tell me please if you know; 'Do Millrow records go back this far?' > > DH > > > > > On 22/11/2011 23:11, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > From: "Edwin O'Brien"<edlobrien@dslextreme.com> > > >> To:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:46:08 PM > > >> Subject: [S-I] Subject: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster > > >> 1641-1691" > > >> > > >> Hi Linda. > > >> > > >> I wrote a couple of years ago about looking for Peeks in Antrim in > > >> the > > >> late 1600s and early 1700s. I had found the family of David Peak > > >> (b1681, Antrim) and his two sons John and Robert Peek as reported on > > >> the Family Search Site (IGI). They were listed in the Milrow > > >> Presbyterian Church records. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message