Hi everyone, Like Marilyn I to have had by DNA done, and have about 10 37 and three 67 matches. Of those I have only one 67 marker person who is interested in my line. We think we go back to Ireland/Scotland from around 1600. Finding that information is very difficult at the moment. But why do people bother having their DNA taken at great expense and then not doing anything with the results. I also joined Genes reunites, that is even worst. I've actually connected with countless people, but do they want anything to do with the HUME family, no. I'm getting a GUILTY COMPLEX. Anyone out there with a HUME, please send me a nice Christmas surprise, many thanks John Hume in Nottingham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of > Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people might > not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information they > seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was somewhat > interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my > dad's > brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that perhaps > each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were > both > interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get > tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his > ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as > mine....but > he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that with > the same markers and the same very small location we are probably > connected > not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't > interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also > had > a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same > 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, > either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not to > go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. It > was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but > can't exchange family information since he is not interested in > participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with the > shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss > possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and > futile, > at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > >> What is the ancestr.s name? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >> >>>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >>> >>>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or >>>brother's >>>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define >>>the >>>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 >>>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that >>>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who >>>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well >>>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all >>>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster >>>there, >>>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >> ,! >>> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being >>> defined >>> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >>> >>>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's >>>origin >>>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly >>>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and >>>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then >>>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers >>>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >>> >>>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being >>>born >>>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas >>>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found >>>he >>>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>>Mountain in 1780. >>> >>>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy >>>research. >>> >>>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. >>>It >>>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back >>>in >>>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >>> >>>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests >>>done, >>>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new >>>finding. >>> >>>Les Tate >>>========== >>> >>> >>>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA >>>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>>> >>>> Heather >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Hume, Interesting that you stated your line goes back to Ireland/Scotland from around 1600. I have very little on the Hume name but from my research on the Conway line I have that George Hume married Mary Unknown and lived in the noted Tully Castle at the time of the Rebellion. I have that his father was Sir John Hume from Scotland and he had a younger brother named Patrick. I thought he may have married Mary Conway; he negotiated for her hand but somehow the plans fell through before her father's death. Would this be your line? Doralyn Short In a message dated 12/6/2011 12:35:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, john.hume@ntlworld.com writes: Hi everyone, Like Marilyn I to have had by DNA done, and have about 10 37 and three 67 matches. Of those I have only one 67 marker person who is interested in my line. We think we go back to Ireland/Scotland from around 1600. Finding that information is very difficult at the moment. But why do people bother having their DNA taken at great expense and then not doing anything with the results. I also joined Genes reunites, that is even worst. I've actually connected with countless people, but do they want anything to do with the HUME family, no. I'm getting a GUILTY COMPLEX. Anyone out there with a HUME, please send me a nice Christmas surprise, many thanks John Hume in Nottingham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of > Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people might > not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information they > seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was somewhat > interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my > dad's > brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that perhaps > each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were > both > interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get > tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his > ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as > mine....but > he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that with > the same markers and the same very small location we are probably > connected > not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't > interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also > had > a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same > 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, > either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not to > go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. It > was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but > can't exchange family information since he is not interested in > participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with the > shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss > possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and > futile, > at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > >> What is the ancestr.s name? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >> >>>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >>> >>>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or >>>brother's >>>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define >>>the >>>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 >>>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that >>>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who >>>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well >>>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all >>>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster >>>there, >>>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >> ,! >>> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being >>> defined >>> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >>> >>>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's >>>origin >>>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly >>>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and >>>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then >>>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers >>>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >>> >>>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being >>>born >>>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas >>>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found >>>he >>>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>>Mountain in 1780. >>> >>>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy >>>research. >>> >>>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. >>>It >>>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back >>>in >>>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >>> >>>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests >>>done, >>>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new >>>finding. >>> >>>Les Tate >>>========== >>> >>> >>>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA >>>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>>> >>>> Heather >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, the ISOGG list says the previously mentioned Scots DNA project is spin-off company from Jim Wilson and Alistair Moffat capitalising on their book "The Scots: A Genetic Journey": http://www.scotlandsdna.com >They are charging £170 for a DNA test with a "free" copy of the book and access to a TV programme. The Y-DNA test is essentially a deep clade test. I can find no information on their website on which SNPs are available for testing. For the same money one could buy a 37-marker Y-STR test and a deep clade test at FTDNA. There is also no information provided on how much of the mitochondrial genome is being sequenced. In comparison the FTDNA full sequence test costs £190 at full price and is £153 in the current sale. So perhaps read the article I posted and purchase the book but buy DNA testing elsewhere.... Linda Merle

Hi folks, Here's an article http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/features/scotland_s_dna_in_search_of_our_roots_1_1988581 Linda Merle

Hi Marilyn, This is my major grudge: >I know what you mean about giving information...I don't really anticipate >reciprocity, but a "thank you" would sure be nice sometimes. I think sometimes people don't realize how they 'come off'. I've had people send me an email that consisted for one sentence: Send me all the information you have on *****". No "HI, I'm ..... and I'm researching the ?? family in >>>>". It's like a hold up. I had a guy demand all the surnames in my files at 23andme and the names of my parents and grandparents. Of course many I have no blood relationship to (married ins). Plus it's a huge security risk to send someone a file with the names of your parents and grandparents. I don't do it. If people aren't willing to engage in a little dialog to figure out how we might be related I don't send them anything. Unfortunately a lot of these are men. Women seem to be able to handle the communication part a little better <grin>. You shouldn't send private information to aggressive strangers on the Internet. It's a security risk. The other problem are the people who think you should drop everything in your life and immediately start working full time on their (ie your) genealogy problem. Hey, we got lives, and a few of us got priorities already. When you explain that you want to research the problem but can't right now they get angry. Life does interfere with genealogy -- illnesses for example. "Dear XXX I will do as you demand as soon as I recover from this multiple organ transplant surgery. Otherwise my heirs will send a huge crate with my LIfe's Work and you can write the dang book." I had one old grouch recently send me a spreadsheet full of DNA and expect that I'd analyze it all and come up with the same results as himself. I have been kind of ill with sinuses and thinking hurt. Reading his email hurt too.... What happened to the good old days when people published their results or at least wrote up a paragraph or two about it, attaching the raw data as an appendix, I wonder? I explained to him I didn't have time to re-analyze his results and if he could just explain what he thinks he's found and why its significant I'd read that and maybe that would help me understand the spreadsheet. He responded that he was through with me and would never send me another email again. I was so happy to hear that. Christmas presents arriving and it wasn't even December yet! Reminded me of a comedy team a firm I worked for hired for a trade show. At the end they did a spontaneous show for the staff in which they said of our marketing director that he was a "Legend in his own mind". An alzheimers patient or a retired executive? Hard to tell. Linda Merle

Dear Linda Thank You very much for the info I will look into this ! Thanks again Diane On 12/3/2011 6:47 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Diane,one option is mitochondrial DNA. That is DNA that is inherited only from the mother. Her sons' inherit hers. Daughters pass theirs on down to all their children. But only daughters pass it on. The children of sons inherit the Mitochondrial DNA of their mothers. So you have the mitochondrial DNA of your mother's mother (and her mother and her mother etc, back to ... Eve?). > > The usual companies test: www.familytreedna.com, www.23andme.com, etc, etc, etc. > > It's not possible to explain it well to you. If you visit either site or www.isogg.org you can find a lot of educational materials put together by professionals that will hopefully make some sense. There are also lists to ask questions on and get answers from experts. > > The mitochondrial DNA is much more interesting than the male. It seems our ancestors gave daughters to men who were not living close, or maybe it was a lot of raiding. Who knows. My mito line is from Germany. 25% of Arab women have the same DNA as me. Only 10% of the Germans. It probably came to Europe with Neolithic farmers. > > Hope this helps! > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A& D Warren"<adwarren@sasktel.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:25:46 PM > Subject: [S-I] DNA Questions! > > Hello everyone could someone please tell me how to go about doing a DNA > test ? > Now I want to find out about my mothers moms side of the house in > Northern Ireland but my > mom had no brothers and there is no male line of the Orr's here and > there are gone now .How do I do this? > Thanks > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes it's the same with all these boards..no one wants to swap information. I posted several bits about people incl. Fields/Andersons etc but not even a reply. Others might say 'thanks, I'll add that to my file'...but never offer anything in return. Someone else was looking for Gaults of Antrim..I posted a snippet but when they said they'd 'add it to their file' but no offer of reciprocation I simply deleted the whole tree incl. the Gaults they were looking for, marriages, births for kids etc.. Their loss, not mine!! That is Genealogy! On 04/12/2011 00:47, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get > > tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his > > ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as > > mine....but > > he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that with > > the same markers and the same very small location we are probably > > connected > > not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't > > interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also > > had > > a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same > > 25 > > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, > > either.

Hi Diane,one option is mitochondrial DNA. That is DNA that is inherited only from the mother. Her sons' inherit hers. Daughters pass theirs on down to all their children. But only daughters pass it on. The children of sons inherit the Mitochondrial DNA of their mothers. So you have the mitochondrial DNA of your mother's mother (and her mother and her mother etc, back to ... Eve?). The usual companies test: www.familytreedna.com, www.23andme.com, etc, etc, etc. It's not possible to explain it well to you. If you visit either site or www.isogg.org you can find a lot of educational materials put together by professionals that will hopefully make some sense. There are also lists to ask questions on and get answers from experts. The mitochondrial DNA is much more interesting than the male. It seems our ancestors gave daughters to men who were not living close, or maybe it was a lot of raiding. Who knows. My mito line is from Germany. 25% of Arab women have the same DNA as me. Only 10% of the Germans. It probably came to Europe with Neolithic farmers. Hope this helps! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "A & D Warren" <adwarren@sasktel.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:25:46 PM Subject: [S-I] DNA Questions! Hello everyone could someone please tell me how to go about doing a DNA test ? Now I want to find out about my mothers moms side of the house in Northern Ireland but my mom had no brothers and there is no male line of the Orr's here and there are gone now .How do I do this? Thanks Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Field/Fields (sometimes these seem interchangeable, probably based on who was the person recording information way back when) on both sides of my dad's family...his great grandmother was a Field on his father's side and on his mother's side either her mother or mother-in-law was a Field(s)...The paternal Field was from Co. Tyrone, Termonmaguirk area, but the other one remains a mystery as to where/when she was born. I know what you mean about giving information...I don't really anticipate reciprocity, but a "thank you" would sure be nice sometimes. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "D H" <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Yes it's the same with all these boards..no one wants to swap information. > > I posted several bits about people incl. Fields/Andersons etc but not even > a reply. Others might say 'thanks, I'll add that to my file'...but never > offer anything in return. > > Someone else was looking for Gaults of Antrim..I posted a snippet but when > they said they'd 'add it to their file' but no offer of reciprocation I > simply deleted the whole tree incl. the Gaults they were looking for, > marriages, births for kids etc.. > > Their loss, not mine!! > > That is Genealogy! > > > > > > > > > On 04/12/2011 00:47, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get >> > tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his >> > ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as >> > mine....but >> > he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that >> > with >> > the same markers and the same very small location we are probably >> > connected >> > not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't >> > interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have >> > also >> > had >> > a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the >> > same >> > 25 >> > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, >> > either. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Ed, I'm sure your post will mystify a number of list members -- those whose ancestors left long ago. I'm not even sure I am certain of which cultural war you are referring to so politely (ie obliquely). However the cuzzins in the ol' homeland would probably be rather paranoid even if the last 40 years or so had never been. The ISGI (http://www.irishgenealogical.org/) publishes a great journal called "The Septs". One of their authors is an Irishwoman, born and bred, who took a vacation in America and fell in love, and so now she's here. She has set us straight on a number of things, over the years, including the very strange reasons that people assume caused her to leave Ireland, such as starvation due to the (still on-going) Potato Famine. She wrote an article once explaining why it is that we often don't get much of a welcome from cuzzins back home. I must say here she is most definitely not from the North. However she told a tale of someone going to meet an old couple in rural Ireland who were to show her some graves (or some such ....). She reached the spot in the road where they were to meet -- a barren stretch with nothing visible in either direction but for their home down a long lane. Drove around a couple times and was about to give up when out of the tall bracken or whatever it was crept this antique couple, all hunched over and looking over their shoulders. They crept into the car. They'd been hiding there. They were worried about the neighbors spying on them and gossiping. What neighbors? There were no other houses anywhere to be seen!! She had many stories like this. Besides the paranoia of the Irish, which seems genetic, she also suggested that another cause to the problem was the cuzzins who had returned, since the 1880s or so. These were cuzzins to whom the family farm might have descended. Usually they were long gone and eventually signed over rights to whoever was actually living there still, but once in a while they returned, rich after a life in America, and evicted the poor cousins who had no where else to go. This was many people's worse nightmares. So a letter arriving announcing the return of some never heard of cousins was not necessarily something people greeted with joy. It meant, if there was any money, a trip to the lawyers'. Who knows what these people might want? Another tale I'll share. I had made the acquaintance with someone of southern Irish origins. A very enthusiastic and boisterous lady, of course. She had become converted to a religion founded in the North: Unitarianism. She had adopted a very enthusiastic and boisterous version of this religion. Off she went to Ireland. Since her family had left only recently, she knew where the cousins were to be found -- living of course on the family farm. When she arrived she set off enthusiastically to liberate them from superstition and ignorance, beginning with the Trinity. Now I am not the world's most religious person, but even I was shocked. However she had little success as they'd had a lot of practice, over the centuries, fending off this kind of crazy. I am sure they now pray daily that the Lord will not return any more crazy relatives from America as they've barely recovered from the last. So sometimes it is not because our cuzzins are from poor old Ulster at all. The trouble could be that, whether they admit it or not, they're Irish. And we need some lessons in how to not offend them because we may do so very inadvertently. Of course my grandmother's cousin, living in Stirling, Scotland, never responded to my letter of a few years ago either. Now there's nothing he has that we might want. There is no old farm to be had. Maybe a lump of coal, but that's it. No idea what his problem is or was. One of these days I'm coming over and banging on his door. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Andrews" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: "Carol and Joe Marlo" <carolandjoemarlo@yahoo.com>, scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:23:25 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among many people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming. Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories. Edward > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol > and Joe Marlo > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hi, Marilyn, > > I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with > possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The > same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with > possible SLOWEY relatives. I find possible leads, contact > the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail > address, and usually never hear from them again. > > Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else > related to these "close markers"? Those of us who have that > genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who > just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be > compelled. Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and > maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. > > Carol > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to > many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show > another side where people might not want to spend the money > for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to > learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I > was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got > tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested > for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match > that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or > even 67 markers if we were both interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her > cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same > surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very > tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not > interested at all in swapping information. I figure that > with the same markers and the same very small location we are > probably connected not too many generations in the past, but > since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was > all kind of for naught. I have also had a couple of other > people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping > information, either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of > silly not to go further and to exchange information if not > going for more markers. It was a real disappointment to > learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange > family information since he is not interested in participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find > another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested > with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to > research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > > > What is the ancestr.s name? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > > > >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that > understanding > >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. > >> > >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting > just the 12 > >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your > father or brother's > >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can > better define the > >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 > markers to 67 > >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My > haplogroup has > >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish > Modal with > >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my > SNP marker L21 > >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been > negative, that > >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several > hundred members who > >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many > having fairly well > >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other > SNPs. However all > >>are searching for even more defining information to > indicate where our > >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish > Cluster there, > >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! > > ,! > >> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are > still being defined > >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. > >> > >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA > ancestor's origin > >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the > same or a > >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research > and possibly > >>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my > Y-DNA tests and > >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was > fortunate to > >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched > perfectly at 12, then > >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to > 111 markers > >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more > mutatable markers. > >>However by working together over about two years, we found > our common > >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are > >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. > >> > >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated > >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male > ancestor being born > >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to > what was to > >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely > Scots-Irish areas > >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. > We also found he > >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel > Boone in Rowan > >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle > of Kings > >>Mountain in 1780. > >> > >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just > >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment > your genealogy > >>research. > >> > >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide > general origins of > >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine > exact origins. It > >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research > since wives' > >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go > further back in > >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American > ancestry, which is > >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and > origins are not > >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my > mtDNA results > >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor > >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. > >> > >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting > DNA tests done, > >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't > answer all the > >>questions you may have because more questions arise with > each new finding. > >> > >>Les Tate > >>========== > >> > >> > >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out > how to read DNA > >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > >>> > >>> Heather > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone could someone please tell me how to go about doing a DNA test ? Now I want to find out about my mothers moms side of the house in Northern Ireland but my mom had no brothers and there is no male line of the Orr's here and there are gone now .How do I do this? Thanks Diane

Yes, I can see that; however, it seems odd that anyone who is not interested in learning more about possible "relatives" would even participate in paying for a Y-DNA test at all. I think anyone who has their DNA tested must have SOME reason for doing so, but to me if not genealogy, then what? It's a mystery. I can live with my disappointment, of course, but it would have been fun to have found a distant relative in Co. Tyrone. Ah, well... Thanks, Edward! Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Andrews" <edward.andrews@btinternet.com> To: "'Carol and Joe Marlo'" <carolandjoemarlo@yahoo.com>; <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among > many > people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the > pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming. > > Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group > rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of > grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories. > Edward > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol >> and Joe Marlo >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> Hi, Marilyn, >> >> I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with >> possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The >> same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with >> possible SLOWEY relatives. I find possible leads, contact >> the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail >> address, and usually never hear from them again. >> >> Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else >> related to these "close markers"? Those of us who have that >> genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who >> just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be >> compelled. Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and >> maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. >> >> Carol >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> Hello, folks, >> >> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to >> many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show >> another side where people might not want to spend the money >> for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to >> learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but >> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I >> was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got >> tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested >> for me) for 25 markers. >> >> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match >> that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or >> even 67 markers if we were both interested. >> >> Another participant on this list or another convinced her >> cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same >> surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very >> tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not >> interested at all in swapping information. I figure that >> with the same markers and the same very small location we are >> probably connected not too many generations in the past, but >> since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was >> all kind of for naught. I have also had a couple of other >> people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 >> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping >> information, either. >> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of >> silly not to go further and to exchange information if not >> going for more markers. It was a real disappointment to >> learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange >> family information since he is not interested in participating. >> >> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find >> another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested >> with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to >> research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. >> >> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> >> > What is the ancestr.s name? >> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> > >> > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >> > >> >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that >> understanding >> >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >> >> >> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting >> just the 12 >> >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your >> father or brother's >> >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can >> better define the >> >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 >> markers to 67 >> >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My >> haplogroup has >> >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish >> Modal with >> >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my >> SNP marker L21 >> >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been >> negative, that >> >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several >> hundred members who >> >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many >> having fairly well >> >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other >> SNPs. However all >> >>are searching for even more defining information to >> indicate where our >> >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish >> Cluster there, >> >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >> > ,! >> >> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are >> still being defined >> >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >> >> >> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA >> ancestor's origin >> >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the >> same or a >> >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research >> and possibly >> >>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my >> Y-DNA tests and >> >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was >> fortunate to >> >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched >> perfectly at 12, then >> >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to >> 111 markers >> >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more >> mutatable markers. >> >>However by working together over about two years, we found >> our common >> >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >> >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >> >> >> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >> >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male >> ancestor being born >> >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to >> what was to >> >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely >> Scots-Irish areas >> >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. >> We also found he >> >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel >> Boone in Rowan >> >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle >> of Kings >> >>Mountain in 1780. >> >> >> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >> >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment >> your genealogy >> >>research. >> >> >> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide >> general origins of >> >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine >> exact origins. It >> >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research >> since wives' >> >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go >> further back in >> >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American >> ancestry, which is >> >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and >> origins are not >> >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my >> mtDNA results >> >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >> >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >> >> >> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting >> DNA tests done, >> >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't >> answer all the >> >>questions you may have because more questions arise with >> each new finding. >> >> >> >>Les Tate >> >>========== >> >> >> >> >> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out >> how to read DNA >> >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >> >>> >> >>> Heather >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among many people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming. Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories. Edward > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol > and Joe Marlo > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hi, Marilyn, > > I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with > possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised.   The > same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with > possible SLOWEY relatives.  I find possible leads, contact > the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail > address, and usually never hear from them again. > > Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else > related to these "close markers"?  Those of us who have that > genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who > just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be > compelled.  Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and > maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. > > Carol > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to > many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show > another side where people might not want to spend the money > for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to > learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry.  I > was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got > tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested > for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match > that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or > even 67 markers if we were both interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her > cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo!  he had the same > surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very > tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not > interested at all in swapping information.  I figure that > with the same markers and the same very small location we are > probably connected not too many generations in the past, but > since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was > all kind of for naught.  I have also had a couple of other > people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping > information, either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of > silly not to go further and to exchange information if not > going for more markers.  It was a real disappointment to > learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange > family information since he is not interested in participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find > another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested > with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to > research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > > > What is the ancestr.s name? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > > > >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that > understanding > >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. > >> > >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting > just the 12 > >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your > father or brother's > >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can > better define the > >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 > markers to 67 > >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My > haplogroup has > >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish > Modal with > >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my > SNP marker L21 > >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been > negative, that > >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several > hundred members who > >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many > having fairly well > >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other > SNPs. However all > >>are searching for even more defining information to > indicate where our > >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish > Cluster there, > >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! > > ,! > >>  there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are > still being defined > >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. > >> > >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA > ancestor's origin > >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the > same or a > >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research > and possibly > >>better define your common ancestor's origin.  Early in my > Y-DNA tests and > >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was > fortunate to > >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched > perfectly at 12, then > >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent  extension to > 111 markers > >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more > mutatable markers. > >>However by working together over about two years, we found > our common > >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are > >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. > >> > >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated > >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male > ancestor being born > >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to > what was to > >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely > Scots-Irish areas > >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. > We also found he > >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel > Boone in Rowan > >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle > of Kings > >>Mountain in 1780. > >> > >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just > >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment > your genealogy > >>research. > >> > >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide > general origins of > >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine > exact origins. It > >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research > since wives' > >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go > further back in > >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American > ancestry, which is > >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and > origins are not > >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my > mtDNA results > >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor > >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. > >> > >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting > DNA tests done, > >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't > answer all the > >>questions you may have because more questions arise with > each new finding. > >> > >>Les Tate > >>========== > >> > >> > >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out > how to read DNA > >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > >>> > >>> Heather > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn, I'm not sure why people have DNA tested if they have not one ounce of interest in or curiosity about others who might be related within a few generations. I mean, why even start if there is not any further interest? I suppose some people may think a "relative" stranger might be interested in something monetary or other rather than just the exchange of information. But...c'est la vie. Maybe someday my Armstrong "cousin" will want to know more about his possible vague relatives in the USA and will decide to correspond, but until then I'll just have to figure it was not to be. Thanks, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Joe Marlo" <carolandjoemarlo@yahoo.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Hi, Marilyn, > > I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with possible > relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The same situation has > occurred with me in trying to connect with possible SLOWEY relatives. I > find possible leads, contact the people politely, enclose postage if it's > a non-e-mail address, and usually never hear from them again. > > Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else related to these > "close markers"? Those of us who have that genealogical interest find it > hard to relate to people who just don't care, but unfortunately, such > interest cannot be compelled. Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, > and maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. > > Carol > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > Hello, folks, > > I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of > Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people might > not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information they > seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but > other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was somewhat > interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my > dad's > brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. > > I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that perhaps > each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were > both > interested. > > Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get > tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his > ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as > mine....but > he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that with > the same markers and the same very small location we are probably > connected > not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't > interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also > had > a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same > 25 > markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, > either. > I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not to > go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. It > was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but > can't exchange family information since he is not interested in > participating. > > I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with the > shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss > possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and > futile, > at least it is to me. > > Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > >> What is the ancestr.s name? >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >> >> Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >> >>>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >>> >>>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or >>>brother's >>>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define >>>the >>>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 >>>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that >>>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who >>>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well >>>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all >>>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster >>>there, >>>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >> ,! >>> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined >>> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >>> >>>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's >>>origin >>>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly >>>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and >>>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then >>>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers >>>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >>> >>>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being >>>born >>>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas >>>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found >>>he >>>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>>Mountain in 1780. >>> >>>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy >>>research. >>> >>>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. >>>It >>>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back >>>in >>>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >>> >>>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests >>>done, >>>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new >>>finding. >>> >>>Les Tate >>>========== >>> >>> >>>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA >>>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>>> >>>> Heather >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Marilyn, I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised.   The same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with possible SLOWEY relatives.  I find possible leads, contact the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail address, and usually never hear from them again. Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else related to these "close markers"?  Those of us who have that genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be compelled.  Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and maybe you'll still make a breakthrough. Carol ________________________________ From: Marilyn Otterson <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple Hello, folks, I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people might not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but other information that may gives hints to their ancestry.  I was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were both interested. Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo!  he had the same surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not interested at all in swapping information.  I figure that with the same markers and the same very small location we are probably connected not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught.  I have also had a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, either. I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not to go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers.  It was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange family information since he is not interested in participating. I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > What is the ancestr.s name? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or brother's >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define the >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all >>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster there, >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! > ,! >>  there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's origin >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly >>better define your common ancestor's origin.  Early in my Y-DNA tests and >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent  extension to 111 markers >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being born >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found he >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>Mountain in 1780. >> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy >>research. >> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. It >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back in >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests done, >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new finding. >> >>Les Tate >>========== >> >> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, folks, I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people might not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were both interested. Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that with the same markers and the same very small location we are probably connected not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also had a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25 markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, either. I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not to go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. It was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange family information since he is not interested in participating. I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me. Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > What is the ancestr.s name? > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or brother's >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define the >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all >>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster there, >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! > ,! >> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined >> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's origin >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly >>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being born >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found he >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>Mountain in 1780. >> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy >>research. >> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. It >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back in >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests done, >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new finding. >> >>Les Tate >>========== >> >> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What is the ancestr.s name? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. > >You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or brother's sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define the haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster there, many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! ,! > there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined as more advanced SNP tests become available. > >Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's origin and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then 37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. However by working together over about two years, we found our common ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are descendants of a different son of that ancestor. > >We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being born somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found he was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780. > >What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy research. > >Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. It is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back in time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. > >I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests done, since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the questions you may have because more questions arise with each new finding. > >Les Tate >========== > > >On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > >> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >> >> Heather >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Les, Your haplogroup is the same as mine (L-21 plus) with the deep clade test and I also came back negative on all other tests except for the fact that I matched up with south irish type II as well as the other projects both irish and scottish that i have alluded to previously. My Mccartneys can be traced back to Lancaster Co., Pa in 1772 but before that i only know that the Mccartney ancestor came from Ireland. As stated before, i have my theories not yet substantiated but i have not been quite as successful as you in DNA analysis. Steve McCartney ---- Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. > > You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or brother's sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define the haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker L21 was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, that led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members who are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly well defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However all are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster there, many other clusters are not Scottish. Plu! s,! > there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being defined as more advanced SNP tests become available. > > Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's origin and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and possibly better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests and at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, then 37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 markers shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. However by working together over about two years, we found our common ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are descendants of a different son of that ancestor. > > We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being born somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish areas in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found he was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings Mountain in 1780. > > What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your genealogy research. > > Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. It is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back in time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. > > I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests done, since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the questions you may have because more questions arise with each new finding. > > Les Tate > ========== > > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: > > > Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > > > > Heather > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am in the FTDNA and had my DNA tested all the way to 111 markers. No matches at 111 but significant matches at 67 and below. The surprising thing is that my dna matches closely to south irish type II with a lot of matches at 37 & 67 markers coming back to Cork & Kerry. My McCartney family line (google Ephraim McCartney) seemed to suugest that we were classic scotch-irish. I had my DNA placed in the McCarthy, south irish, & irish FTDNA projects and they came up as positive matches. i also put my DNA in the scottish and Royal Stewart projects and came up with postive matches there also. I have to figure at this point that my McCartneys (who have had this name as far as I can trace back to 1772 in Lancaster Co., Pa.) may have been Mccartys/McCarthys sometime before that in Ireland/Scotland. I have found matches with some Mccartys in Pa. in the early 1700's who claim that they may have been scotch-irish. I think its an interesting story here but I ahven't been able to fugure it all out just yet. Steve McCartney FTDNA #202776 ---- Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: > I was looking at the Scottish DNA Project results and wanted to note the diversity of haplogroups is more diverse than one would expect. Although the majority haplogroup is R1b, other haplogroups are R1a, A, E, I, and J, with a few G, L, N, K, and one C. To paraphrase Kermit the Frog, "It ain't easy being Scottish." > > Les Tate > ========== > On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:00 PM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > > > Hi Heather, gee, understandable? > > > > I haven't read any of these books, so if anyone else has found a good one, let us know. I have read some older ones (whose names I forget). > > > > I saw in a blog this one, highly recommended and that seemed clear and comprehensive. > > http://scottishdna.blogspot.com/2011/11/dna-and-social-networking-guide-to.html > > > > I tend to read a lot of what is on line, like info at www.familytreedna.com as well as lurking on various lists. The DNA Newbie list at rootsweb is good too. > > > > It is interesting that the review for the book, above, indicates it is the one of its type to discuss autosomal testing, which has been around for years. This is the main reason why I haven't read the books-- they are a couple years behind what you can learn on the Internet. Still I thought the one above looked great from an outline of it I saw posted somewhere. > > > > ISOGG (I'm a member as I admin a project) has many resources: > > http://www.isogg.org/ > > (Join their DNA Newbie list). > > One of their pages lists Kerchner's book list. He knows about DNA genealogy and is light years more knowledgable than I am: > > http://www.kerchner.com/books/dnabooks.htm > > > > You also may need to sort out some chaff. Posting Y results to ysearch, for example, is like baiting a hook and sticking it in the pond. Sometimes you snag Charles Kerchner but you also get catfish. Catfish can be hard to identify. I am on the main ISOGG list so I know who is well thought of though I can't understand their posts <grin>. Of course there are others who don't 'play' in that particular 'sandbox' who have valid projects underway. If it is is rude, impatient, lacking credentials, and attempting to crowbar your DNA into a particular obsession, throw it back. Like the BI's, trying to use DNA to prove the ancient Israelites came to Britain and the folks trying to prove all the Scotch Irish are Irish or all the Irish are Scots. The latter two we do run into, or rather, I do. Even if your most ancient ancestors were M222 positive, we don't know where it originated and actually, it doesn't matter at all. Ethnic identity is not a Y chromosome. I don't even have one, ! bu! > t ! > > I do have ethnic identity, though it is weird <grin>. We are not the sum total of our DNA. We're a lot more. Or in some cases, less <grin>. Like my cat: he has a gene for a tail but he got no tail anymore. People trying to win ethnic wars using DNA ... gee, maybe someday we'll discover a pill for that. > > > > It's even hard to find an authority who will review your results and give you an answer you can understand and that is right, today. This stuff changes rapidly, so the expert's conclusions could be wrong tomorrow when the current theories on the human genome are debunked again. Though it is not 100% true, in this area, the principals do battle on various Internet lists. They do tend to go silent before publishing since they don't want to spill the beans to their competitors. After they publish, by which I generally mean articles in peer reviewed journals like this one: http://www.jogg.info/ -- it's like tossing fish into a pond of sharks. I've watched a few of these on the genealogy-DNA list. Wow! > > > > Many people don't publish their results. I had someone send me a spreadsheet and expect me to analyze it and come up with the same results as he did. Actually, I was an English major. I can talk to fairies a lot easier than I can run macros in speadsheets. I suggested perhaps he should send me a write up of what he found and he got angry. This is definitely an old stinky catfish I had snagged on my line. I tried to toss it back fast before it slimed my boat and took a chunk out of me <grin>. > > > > When it comes to analyzing specific results, it's difficult. The folk in the Newbie lists, your admin (if you are the admin, join the ISOGG list), folk on the type of DNA you have. For each type there are significant markers. You need to know what those are. There are often fast moving markers as well that sometimes people 'throw out'. Some do not believe they are of any value. Others think they are. You cannot use the software provided by www.familytreedna.com except to 'eyeball' results. This is a constant theme on lists I lurk on because it assumes a common average of mutations across all the tested markers, while each one mutates at a unique rate. So I have known cousins that I know are related but with 67 markers they are so far off (7) that the FTDNA software says they're not related. This is because they only differ on fast moving markers and also this is fast mutating DNA. We only know that because we tested multiple men descended from several brothers who live d! in! > t! > > he 1700s, of varying, known degrees of relatedness, as well as some who were not related. > > > > You can get the theories from a book, but a lot of information you can only learn on the lists. > > > > Kerchner, in particular, has produced tools for analyzing DNA that may be better than ftdna's. I don't know ..... Not even an intermediate spreadsheet user. > > > > Hopefully someone can make some more specific suggestions. > > > > Linda Merle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Heather Dau" <dau@interlog.com> > > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:50:29 PM > > Subject: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > > > Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read DNA results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. > > > > Heather > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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