Thank you! Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ On 09/12/2011 1:15 PM, Ulster Ancestry wrote: > > Hello Sharon, > > I have an original typed manuscript of this given to me by the author Bob Hunter. > I put it away somewhere, but I'll try and hunt it out. > > If I find it, I'll let you know about Jacksons. > > best regards > > Robert > www.ulsterancestry.com > > > > >> Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:49:27 -0800 >> From: s.brown@dccnet.com >> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [S-I] The Strabane Barony during the Ulster Plantation, 1607-41 >> >> Has anyone had a look at: >> >> >> The Strabane Barony during the Ulster Plantation, 1607-41 >> >> >> Is it worth getting? Does it mention any JACKSONs? >> Sharon Oddie Brown >> >> -- >> Sharon Oddie Brown, >> Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. >> History Project: www.thesilverbowl.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone had a look at: The Strabane Barony during the Ulster Plantation, 1607-41 Is it worth getting? Does it mention any JACKSONs? Sharon Oddie Brown -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: www.thesilverbowl.com

Hi folks, you can also use services to 'spoof' your IP address. I usually like to get this info from 'Ask Bob', who's fairly reliable and rarely gives bad info: http://askbobrankin.com/how_to_hide_your_ip_address.html You can sign up for his daily emails and learn a little more each day. If his article doesn't address the problem, email him. THough I think Dave explained how to bypass the default google by re-typing it in. Thanks for tip, Dave. Linda Merle

Dear Linde, you should be writing articles for the International Irish Genealogy Society! Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato Famine. That seems proven out by the DNA results posted on many American projects like the Cumberland Gap project. lots of northwest Irish DNA. I was especially howling at the mad fiddlers, knowing the area is famed for such. Of course the primary reason for leaving Donegal is the weather. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lunney Family" <jglunney@eircom.net> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 2:40:34 AM Subject: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American/ Canadian/ Australian/ New Zealand/ Argentinian/ South African/ Englih/ Scots/ letter I suppose I'd better reply to that letter from that American woman about the family history, it's been lying here a fortnight or three weeks already; cows calving, floods, weddings, elections; it's all been happening this last while. I can put her straight about one thing anyway; our lot are not the same as her lot. Those Gortmullan ones were different; they were A. Catholic OR B. feckless; they were fiddlers and drank and lost the home farm that was my great great grandfather's, while my great grandfather was a very hard worker and made a success of the farm he bought for himself to get away from the noise of fiddle music night and day OR C. they all emigrated and we stayed here so they must have been different OR D. we know they were different because we know that their grandfather came to Gortmullan as a servant with the minister of First Ballyness who moved from Tyrone and it just happens that they had the same name as us. Anyway, I'll write and tell her what I know, which is very little really and she might not want to hear the real reason her great grandfather left; that trail of weans that that woman up beyond Gortmullan said were his. It's all a bit difficult to put down on paper to someone you don't know; it's hard to explain life here to someone not from here and it might offend her if I told her what my granny said about her granny. Maybe as well not mention the broken lock on the chest where the money used to be. I suppose if I've started I'll have to finish it one way or the other. Must remember to tell John to tell his young lad to bring an American stamp home to me the next time he comes from the town; that's if the Post Office is ever open again after the IRA bomb at that side of the street. Right; letter written, though dear knows it's hardly worth putting a stamp on, because I don't really understand what she's after. Why she's talking about the "ould sod" and shamrocks and feeling homesick on St Patrick's day, sure that's all old guff, our ones never went in for any of that. So where does this go to then? There's nothing on the letter; the address must be on the envelope. Where the hell is the envelope that her letter came in? I kept the letter right enough, somebody must have used that envelope to light the fire or something. There's no way I can write to her now, probably just as well anyway, I would only have disappointed her because I can't tell her the whole big story about her ancestors that I know she wants to hear ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, You don't indicate what occupations your family had in the early 1700s in Durham, but if they were not well-off, most likely it'll be difficult to trace them without the DNA. My paternal line left Durham about 1881, so I'm familiar with the place. Lots of border clan folk moved south or east to get jobs in the burgeoning industrial age. Sometimes they were slowly migrating from Northumberland. I've been able to trace a few of mine down through Northumberland, but `it is difficult. Even now I have met people in the area who hate the Scots and haven't forgiven them for raids and wars of 400 years or more distant. So having a Scots surname didn't increase your popularity. Besides these people being of humble birth, they had learned to survive by keeping a low profile. It's possible many were not members of parishes. It used to be that one was settled into a parish, where one had to go to church, at least in England, or pay fines, and where one eventually had the right to claim services if destitute. There were complicated rules governing this such as a year's residency. Hence many farmers, coal mines, and factories, only signed workers on for a length of time shorter than a year so that the parish didn't 'gain' them as legal residents. If your husband died in a farm or mine accident, then you and the children had to hoof it back to wherever it was you were legally from. Or starve or die on the way. Whatever. These laws created a whole class of itinerant poor who had no rights to services. Thus it's hard to find records of them. One way can be baptisms of children. We've been hampered because many northeast parishes were not indexed in IGI. More are now, but there is also a website that is indexing them. Another factor can be the values of the people themselves. Some of them simply did not cooperate with authorities. Mine did not register their children's births long after it was required that they do so. We have never found the civil death or burial of my ancestor's first wife. He claims he was a widow when marrying the second. Did he roll her body into a gully? They did register the birth of their daughter and he was re-married in the same parish by banns. So people thought he was a widower. These people can be a challenge for those who believe genealogy is a simple exercise of ordering records because sometimes legally required documents do not exist or the information is inconsistent. With a name like Hume, they originated in Scotland at some point. The records for the Scots border counties are terrible. Folks were even more suspicious of central authorities, as we move from the 18th century back, and you also have a lot of records destruction. Back to England -- a number of key medieval English taxes were imposed to pay for costs incurred in fighting off the Scots and rebuilding the area -- so our area was not included at all. If they seemed to be settled on estates, such as farms, you might check for estate records. The problem though usually is the names are so common how do you tell them apart? I have a John Armstrong, a blacksmith in a village in Northumberland about that time. Next generation headed south to Durham. He wasn't raised in the parish. No Armstrongs in the parish records. Where'd he come from? It sure isn't hard to find Johnny Armstrongs in Northumberland. We're before the time when marriage records identified his father -- probably another Johnny A. anyway <grin>. Hundreds of Armstrongs moved south after King James started hanging them from trees at Newcastle. The further back I get on these lines -- and as I said ALL my father's paternal ancestors are from the area -- the more I accumulate every Scots and English border clan surname. The mobile ex-parishal labor force of the day included many Irish. Sometimes they returned each year to the same areas to harvest crops, eventually, perhaps, remaining. You can find glimpses of them in parish records, where they sometimes occur as 'dead Irishman, buried on <date>' or 'baptized Irishwoman's child, <date>'. One time I found a parish where the vicar swept down on the poor house and baptized all the Irish children therein. Of course he didn't bother to name them. One good source for understanding the lives of the poor in the 17th century is Christopher Hill, a contemporary socialist historian. He has written a series of fascinating works on the common people. One is "Liberty Against the Law" which argues that the law in the 17th century was used as an instrument of oppression. He cites enclosures, loss of traditional rights, 'draconian' punishments for minor offenses, that created a landless class of wage laborers. He estimates that only 20 percent of the population could have lived comfortably within the law and documents dissenters. Some of these lived in ad hoc villages in 'common' land -- swamps and forests. Among them were itinerating Baptist preachers, Quakers, and Methodists, smugglers, pirates, highwaymen, poachers and of course 'gypsies', both the ones clearly not of English origins and various what we now call Travelers -- who were British in origin. Rich men were sold the right to round up all the homeless in London and ship them off as slaves to Virginia and the West Indies in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. P 202 documents the history of opposition to church marriages, which he says stems from the Lollards. In our area it might go back a lot further to common marriage practices such as handfasting that were pre Christian and never entirely fell out of practice. The history is interesting, though the trail of the ancestors is probably hopeless <grin>! My paternal line itself I can't get back earlier than the late 1700s. They were in the parish of Stanhope, which is the highest (most mountainous) parish in England. Its parish records are terrible. No burial records to speak of either. Tombstones? Ha! I suspect they practiced Tibetan air burial up there in the mountains. Early histories indicate that the Church of England hardly existed. Some villages were Presbyterian though undoubtedly some were Catholic. Presbyterians serviced from Scotland? No. Minister came from Lancaster, other side of the mountain in England, and another place ful of English recusants (Catholics). I speak of Presbyterian villages (es. Iresdale) in the late 1700s, early 1800s. As the 1800s progressed the church made an effort to control the parish of Stanhope but it was already 'burned over' by the Methodists by then. Wesley often preached to the lead miners in the area. The rich are potted in the parish church. Everyone else? If they were buried there it was without any record kept despite laws requiring that they were. What we do have are records of contracts between companies and lead miners. The lead miners worked tiny mines in family groups. They'd been working lead as early as the Roman times. This is our village: http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/Weardale.html https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Weardale Much history: http://www.weardaleway.wanadoo.co.uk/history2.html "In December 1569, the valley was the setting for a border fray in which a large group of mosstroopers (cattle raiders), from Tynedale, made a raid to plunder the Wear valley for its livestock while many of the Weardale men were away plotting against the Queen in the famous `Rising of the North'. Resistance to the raid was expected to be low, but there were still a number of Weardale men left to defend their dale. The mosstroopers were pursued north into the Rookhope valley, as they made off with the cattle and sheep. When the Weardale men eventually caught up a fight ensued in which four of the Tynedalers lost their lives." The Tynedalers were of course English too but such mattered little on the borders. Needless to say, my ancestors migrated down the Wear in the early 1800s, finally settling in the Hetton le Hole. We didn't trust the people in those other valleys, apparently. History on the "Rising of the North" is here: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Rising_of_the_North http://www.englandsnortheast.co.uk/Tudor.html As for peasant stock -- it is the best! Not only because it is hardy and full of genes that have yet to express themselves, but they're actually natives, unlike the 'upper classes' of England and Scotland who are likely to be Normans. While the Normans conquered England, they were invited to Scotland by the king to create a feudal state from a land full of bands of tribal, marauding Gaels and Picts who held their land by right of conquest and so had no loyalty to a king perched on a big rock off the Firth of Forth. Similar to the English valleys of Durham in the late 16th century <grin>. I don't know if it is true or not, but one history of my CULMER line in Kent has one going north with Henry VII, I think it was, to kick ass in Scotland. He was married off to a Scots heiress and adopted as his surname the name of her estate: Lindsay. Now the descendants wear kilts and think they descend on the male line from picts and gaels. Eh, maybe not. The Culmers supposedly were Swedish nobles who came to Kent with the Vikings. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "john.hume" <john.hume@ntlworld.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 4:40:02 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple Hi Doralyn. Many thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don't think I'm related to any HUME nobility. I joined the HUME Clan about 5 years ago because of my general interest in anything HUME. My own family is easy top trace back to Durham in 1721, before then, a mystery. My DNA 67 marker ties in with a HUMES in USA, he traces his HUMES back to Ireland around 1760, but nothing in either of the family trees. Out of the 30 HUME members of the Hume Clan, having had their DNA taken, I and Larry (USA) do not match with any other HUME. Most of the others, about 20 of them are related to Sir Alec Douglas Hume and his ancestors, including the Marchmont and Polwarth Humes, all of whom were knighted. So I must have been from peasant stock. Only certain fact is that I originated from the Vikings, proven by DNA and a little 'disease' called Dupuytren's Disease, something which attacks mainly the ring finger of either hand. The tendons tighten up causing the finger(s) to be pulled inwards, unable to straighten them. Had my right hand operated on last year, my left one is on the way. It has to be at around 45 degrees before they operate, mind is only 10 degrees at the moment, so I've a few more years yet. (Jokingly) I put it all down to the fact that we had to row those Vikings ships all the way from Estonia/Norway etc to Ireland. No Sat Navs in those days. LOL anyway, Thanks for your interest regards John Hume wet, windy, cold Nottingham ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShortGD@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Hi John Hume, > > Interesting that you stated your line goes back to Ireland/Scotland from > around 1600. I have very little on the Hume name but from my research on > the Conway line I have that George Hume married Mary Unknown and lived in > the > noted Tully Castle at the time of the Rebellion. I have that his father > was Sir John Hume from Scotland and he had a younger brother named > Patrick. > I thought he may have married Mary Conway; he negotiated for her hand but > somehow the plans fell through before her father's death. Would this be > your line? > > Doralyn Short > > > In a message dated 12/6/2011 12:35:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > john.hume@ntlworld.com writes: > > > Hi everyone, > Like Marilyn I to have had by DNA done, and have about 10 37 and three 67 > matches. Of those I have only one 67 marker person who is interested in > my > line. We think we go back to Ireland/Scotland from around 1600. Finding > that > information is very difficult at the moment. But why do people bother > having > their DNA taken at great expense and then not doing anything with the > results. I also joined Genes reunites, that is even worst. I've actually > connected with countless people, but do they want anything to do with the > HUME family, no. I'm getting a GUILTY COMPLEX. > Anyone out there with a HUME, please send me a nice Christmas surprise, > many > thanks > John Hume in Nottingham > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > >> Hello, folks, >> >> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of >> Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people >> might >> not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information >> they >> seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, >> but >> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was >> somewhat >> interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my >> dad's >> brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. >> >> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that > perhaps >> each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were >> both >> interested. >> >> Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get >> tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his >> ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as >> mine....but >> he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that > with >> the same markers and the same very small location we are probably >> connected >> not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't >> interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also >> had >> a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same >> 25 >> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, >> either. >> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not > to >> go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. > It >> was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but >> can't exchange family information since he is not interested in >> participating. >> >> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with > the >> shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss >> possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and >> futile, >> at least it is to me. >> >> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> >>> What is the ancestr.s name? >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>> >>> Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>>>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >>>> >>>>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>>>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or >>>>brother's >>>>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define >>>>the >>>>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>>>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>>>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>>>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker >>>>L21 >>>>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, >>>>that >>>>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members > who >>>>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly >>>>well >>>>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However > all >>>>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>>>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster >>>>there, >>>>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >>> ,! >>>> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being >>>> defined >>>> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >>>> >>>>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's >>>>origin >>>>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>>>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and >>>>possibly >>>>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests > and >>>>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>>>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, >>>>then >>>>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 >>>>markers >>>>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>>>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>>>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>>>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >>>> >>>>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>>>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being >>>>born >>>>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>>>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish >>>>areas >>>>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found > >>>>he >>>>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>>>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>>>Mountain in 1780. >>>> >>>>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>>>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your >>>>genealogy >>>>research. >>>> >>>>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>>>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. > >>>>It >>>>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>>>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back > >>>>in >>>>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>>>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>>>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>>>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>>>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >>>> >>>>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests >>>>done, >>>>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>>>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new >>>>finding. >>>> >>>>Les Tate >>>>========== >>>> >>>> >>>>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read >>>>> DNA >>>>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>>>> >>>>> Heather >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, Boyd, not exasperation! just trying to suggest some reasons why people here might not always reply post-haste to letters from unknown Americans. Probably I should have dated my little jeu d'esprit; say about March 1975 And just reminding everyone that we are all now habituated to email contact; letters are subject to different etiquette, and people can mean to reply and then leave it so long they are embarassed to reply... L

It goes to google.com by default because of your location but LET IT,..... THEN just enter www.google.ie or .co.uk to go to them.. if you then find some of them in Poland go to google.pl etc.... Subject: Re: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! To:<scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:<SNT129-W85F63B69A4161B17FEA5CADB80@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm from Canada and when I google it goes google.ca even if I type google.com. When I'm down in USA at our condo and google it goes google.com and I can't google.ca. We can't do google.ie at all. Yes the results are different when we google. Very frustrating at times _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Ella Patterson<e.patterson@qub.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! To:"scotch-irish@rootsweb.com" <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Of course for later Scots-Irish you need to remember google.co.uk also! Complicated is it not! Ella -------------------------------------------- Yes I included that on my original post.

You may find this useful in your research: _http://www.dippam.ac.uk/_ (http://www.dippam.ac.uk/)

Here is the announcement of the Ulster-American Heritage Symposium to be held in June 2012: _http://www.qub.ac.uk/cms/events/UAHS_2012/UAHS_2012.html_ (http://www.qub.ac.uk/cms/events/UAHS_2012/UAHS_2012.html)

I decided to use the "ie" because my Dad's line was from North Ireland and he had close relatives in same location - and I actually found his surname! I tried surnames only. MxCrosky brought up first in a long line - McCroskys that manufacture/sell tools Fayle - first up - was a family that owns a hardware store!!!! Amusing coincidence! I'll get to Drake in UK after dinner!!!! What fun!!!! Janet Happiness makes up in Height for what it lacks in length. Robert Frost

Do I detect a note of exasperation from Ms. Lunney? Never mind, it gave me a laugh on this morning when Donegal is in danger of being blown into the sea. Maybe you should have added that to your letter Linda. How the "oule sod" is a coul, wet, miserable, damp, bankrupt country compared to California. Tell you what - offer to go live there and she can come live here. But then again, we "stay behinders", with our knuckles trailing on the ground, probably couldn't find our way to the Belfast boat. Just jesting, Listers, in our typical self deprecatory Ulster way. We are very patient really. (Just don't ask if your Wexford Boyds are any relation to mine from Bellaghbeddy beside the River Bann when I cannot even connect them to the Boyds from Maddykeel and it's right next door.) Linda will be putting you and me off this List, Linde. Boyd Gray http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/default.htm http://www.westulstergenealogy.com/ http://preview.tinyurl.com/yk7gckr -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lunney Family Sent: 08 December 2011 07:41 To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American/ Canadian/ Australian/New Zealand/ Argentinian/ South African/ Englih/ Scots/ letter I suppose I'd better reply to that letter from that American woman about the family history, it's been lying here a fortnight or three weeks already; cows calving, floods, weddings, elections; it's all been happening this last while. I can put her straight about one thing anyway; our lot are not the same as her lot. Those Gortmullan ones were different; they were A. Catholic OR B. feckless; they were fiddlers and drank and lost the home farm that was my great great grandfather's, while my great grandfather was a very hard worker and made a success of the farm he bought for himself to get away from the noise of fiddle music night and day OR C. they all emigrated and we stayed here so they must have been different OR D. we know they were different because we know that their grandfather came to Gortmullan as a servant with the minister of First Ballyness who moved from Tyrone and it just happens that they had the same name as us. Anyway, I'll write and tell her what I know, which is very little really and she might not want to hear the real reason her great grandfather left; that trail of weans that that woman up beyond Gortmullan said were his. It's all a bit difficult to put down on paper to someone you don't know; it's hard to explain life here to someone not from here and it might offend her if I told her what my granny said about her granny. Maybe as well not mention the broken lock on the chest where the money used to be. I suppose if I've started I'll have to finish it one way or the other. Must remember to tell John to tell his young lad to bring an American stamp home to me the next time he comes from the town; that's if the Post Office is ever open again after the IRA bomb at that side of the street. Right; letter written, though dear knows it's hardly worth putting a stamp on, because I don't really understand what she's after. Why she's talking about the "ould sod" and shamrocks and feeling homesick on St Patrick's day, sure that's all old guff, our ones never went in for any of that. So where does this go to then? There's nothing on the letter; the address must be on the envelope. Where the hell is the envelope that her letter came in? I kept the letter right enough, somebody must have used that envelope to light the fire or something. There's no way I can write to her now, probably just as well anyway, I would only have disappointed her because I can't tell her the whole big story about her ancestors that I know she wants to hear ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Of course for later Scots-Irish you need to remember google.co.uk also! Complicated is it not! Ella -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN BR Sent: 08 December 2011 10:27 To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! I'm from Canada and when I google it goes google.ca even if I type google.com. When I'm down in USA at our condo and google it goes google.com and I can't google.ca. We can't do google.ie at all. Yes the results are different when we google. Very frustrating at times. > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:21:51 +0000 > From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! > > Living in Ireland I have a different Google Search Engine... namely www.google.ie !! > > > Someone on another board asked how we in Ireland find so much stuff on Google that they don't seem to... I suggested going to google.ie, this is a > reply from someone who tried it.. > > Quote; > > 'My default google is google .com (the US engine) which is strange considering that I'm in Canada. When I specifically enter google.ca things get a > little better. When I enter www.google.ie the search results are entirely different, and much, much better. > Cheers' > > end of quote. > > So, wherever you live, it might be worth trying google.ie yahoo.ie etc......I presume the same applies to me to change to the local search engine in > US, Australia if I am searching there.... > > Also > > www.google.co.uk is worth trying... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doralyn. Many thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don't think I'm related to any HUME nobility. I joined the HUME Clan about 5 years ago because of my general interest in anything HUME. My own family is easy top trace back to Durham in 1721, before then, a mystery. My DNA 67 marker ties in with a HUMES in USA, he traces his HUMES back to Ireland around 1760, but nothing in either of the family trees. Out of the 30 HUME members of the Hume Clan, having had their DNA taken, I and Larry (USA) do not match with any other HUME. Most of the others, about 20 of them are related to Sir Alec Douglas Hume and his ancestors, including the Marchmont and Polwarth Humes, all of whom were knighted. So I must have been from peasant stock. Only certain fact is that I originated from the Vikings, proven by DNA and a little 'disease' called Dupuytren's Disease, something which attacks mainly the ring finger of either hand. The tendons tighten up causing the finger(s) to be pulled inwards, unable to straighten them. Had my right hand operated on last year, my left one is on the way. It has to be at around 45 degrees before they operate, mind is only 10 degrees at the moment, so I've a few more years yet. (Jokingly) I put it all down to the fact that we had to row those Vikings ships all the way from Estonia/Norway etc to Ireland. No Sat Navs in those days. LOL anyway, Thanks for your interest regards John Hume wet, windy, cold Nottingham ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShortGD@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > Hi John Hume, > > Interesting that you stated your line goes back to Ireland/Scotland from > around 1600. I have very little on the Hume name but from my research on > the Conway line I have that George Hume married Mary Unknown and lived in > the > noted Tully Castle at the time of the Rebellion. I have that his father > was Sir John Hume from Scotland and he had a younger brother named > Patrick. > I thought he may have married Mary Conway; he negotiated for her hand but > somehow the plans fell through before her father's death. Would this be > your line? > > Doralyn Short > > > In a message dated 12/6/2011 12:35:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, > john.hume@ntlworld.com writes: > > > Hi everyone, > Like Marilyn I to have had by DNA done, and have about 10 37 and three 67 > matches. Of those I have only one 67 marker person who is interested in > my > line. We think we go back to Ireland/Scotland from around 1600. Finding > that > information is very difficult at the moment. But why do people bother > having > their DNA taken at great expense and then not doing anything with the > results. I also joined Genes reunites, that is even worst. I've actually > connected with countless people, but do they want anything to do with the > HUME family, no. I'm getting a GUILTY COMPLEX. > Anyone out there with a HUME, please send me a nice Christmas surprise, > many > thanks > John Hume in Nottingham > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Otterson" <rosiedoggie@myfairpoint.net> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple > > >> Hello, folks, >> >> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to many fans of >> Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show another side where people >> might >> not want to spend the money for deep searches unless the information >> they >> seek is not to learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, >> but >> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I was >> somewhat >> interested a few years ago but to start only got tested (well, had my >> dad's >> brother's son got his DNA tested for me) for 25 markers. >> >> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match that > perhaps >> each of us might want to go further to 37 or even 67 markers if we were >> both >> interested. >> >> Another participant on this list or another convinced her cousin to get >> tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same surname as mine and his >> ancestors came from the same very tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as >> mine....but >> he was not interested at all in swapping information. I figure that > with >> the same markers and the same very small location we are probably >> connected >> not too many generations in the past, but since that person wasn't >> interested in going further, it was all kind of for naught. I have also >> had >> a couple of other people, but with different surnames, who have the same >> 25 >> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping information, >> either. >> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of silly not > to >> go further and to exchange information if not going for more markers. > It >> was a real disappointment to learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but >> can't exchange family information since he is not interested in >> participating. >> >> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find another with > the >> shared ancestors, but when people are tested with no desire to discuss >> possible connections, or to research such, it's just kind of sad and >> futile, >> at least it is to me. >> >> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more) >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dannye Powell" <dannye700@aol.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple >> >> >>> What is the ancestr.s name? >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>> >>> Les Tate <lrtate@live.com> wrote: >>> >>>>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that understanding >>>>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means. >>>> >>>>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting just the 12 >>>>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your father or >>>>brother's >>>>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can better define >>>>the >>>>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37 markers to 67 >>>>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My haplogroup has >>>>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish Modal with >>>>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my SNP marker >>>>L21 >>>>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been negative, >>>>that >>>>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several hundred members > who >>>>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many having fairly >>>>well >>>>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other SNPs. However > all >>>>are searching for even more defining information to indicate where our >>>>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish Cluster >>>>there, >>>>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus! >>> ,! >>>> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are still being >>>> defined >>>> as more advanced SNP tests become available. >>>> >>>>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA ancestor's >>>>origin >>>>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the same or a >>>>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research and >>>>possibly >>>>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my Y-DNA tests > and >>>>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was fortunate to >>>>locate someone with the same surname who I matched perfectly at 12, >>>>then >>>>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to 111 >>>>markers >>>>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more mutatable markers. >>>>However by working together over about two years, we found our common >>>>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are >>>>descendants of a different son of that ancestor. >>>> >>>>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated >>>>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male ancestor being >>>>born >>>>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to what was to >>>>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely Scots-Irish >>>>areas >>>>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution. We also found > >>>>he >>>>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel Boone in Rowan >>>>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle of Kings >>>>Mountain in 1780. >>>> >>>>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just >>>>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment your >>>>genealogy >>>>research. >>>> >>>>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide general origins of >>>>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine exact origins. > >>>>It >>>>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research since wives' >>>>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go further back > >>>>in >>>>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American ancestry, which is >>>>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and origins are not >>>>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my mtDNA results >>>>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor >>>>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S. >>>> >>>>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting DNA tests >>>>done, >>>>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't answer all the >>>>questions you may have because more questions arise with each new >>>>finding. >>>> >>>>Les Tate >>>>========== >>>> >>>> >>>>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out how to read >>>>> DNA >>>>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please. >>>>> >>>>> Heather >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Down in US now and yes I could do the google.co.uk - crazy. Thank you for the heads up - this just might lead me to some information. > From: e.patterson@qub.ac.uk > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 10:39:07 +0000 > Subject: Re: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! > > Of course for later Scots-Irish you need to remember google.co.uk also! Complicated is it not! > Ella > > -----Original Message----- > From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SUSAN BR > Sent: 08 December 2011 10:27 > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! > > > I'm from Canada and when I google it goes google.ca even if I type google.com. When I'm down in USA at our condo and google it goes google.com and I can't google.ca. We can't do google.ie at all. Yes the results are different when we google. Very frustrating at times. > > > > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:21:51 +0000 > > From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com > > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! > > > > Living in Ireland I have a different Google Search Engine... namely www.google.ie !! > > > > > > Someone on another board asked how we in Ireland find so much stuff on Google that they don't seem to... I suggested going to google.ie, this is a > > reply from someone who tried it.. > > > > Quote; > > > > 'My default google is google .com (the US engine) which is strange considering that I'm in Canada. When I specifically enter google.ca things get a > > little better. When I enter www.google.ie the search results are entirely different, and much, much better. > > Cheers' > > > > end of quote. > > > > So, wherever you live, it might be worth trying google.ie yahoo.ie etc......I presume the same applies to me to change to the local search engine in > > US, Australia if I am searching there.... > > > > Also > > > > www.google.co.uk is worth trying... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suppose I'd better reply to that letter from that American woman about the family history, it's been lying here a fortnight or three weeks already; cows calving, floods, weddings, elections; it's all been happening this last while. I can put her straight about one thing anyway; our lot are not the same as her lot. Those Gortmullan ones were different; they were A. Catholic OR B. feckless; they were fiddlers and drank and lost the home farm that was my great great grandfather's, while my great grandfather was a very hard worker and made a success of the farm he bought for himself to get away from the noise of fiddle music night and day OR C. they all emigrated and we stayed here so they must have been different OR D. we know they were different because we know that their grandfather came to Gortmullan as a servant with the minister of First Ballyness who moved from Tyrone and it just happens that they had the same name as us. Anyway, I'll write and tell her what I know, which is very little really and she might not want to hear the real reason her great grandfather left; that trail of weans that that woman up beyond Gortmullan said were his. It's all a bit difficult to put down on paper to someone you don't know; it's hard to explain life here to someone not from here and it might offend her if I told her what my granny said about her granny. Maybe as well not mention the broken lock on the chest where the money used to be. I suppose if I've started I'll have to finish it one way or the other. Must remember to tell John to tell his young lad to bring an American stamp home to me the next time he comes from the town; that's if the Post Office is ever open again after the IRA bomb at that side of the street. Right; letter written, though dear knows it's hardly worth putting a stamp on, because I don't really understand what she's after. Why she's talking about the "ould sod" and shamrocks and feeling homesick on St Patrick's day, sure that's all old guff, our ones never went in for any of that. So where does this go to then? There's nothing on the letter; the address must be on the envelope. Where the hell is the envelope that her letter came in? I kept the letter right enough, somebody must have used that envelope to light the fire or something. There's no way I can write to her now, probably just as well anyway, I would only have disappointed her because I can't tell her the whole big story about her ancestors that I know she wants to hear

I'm from Canada and when I google it goes google.ca even if I type google.com. When I'm down in USA at our condo and google it goes google.com and I can't google.ca. We can't do google.ie at all. Yes the results are different when we google. Very frustrating at times. > Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 00:21:51 +0000 > From: hallmark1@utvinternet.com > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Subject: [S-I] Google? Hint on researching stuff in Ireland !! > > Living in Ireland I have a different Google Search Engine... namely www.google.ie !! > > > Someone on another board asked how we in Ireland find so much stuff on Google that they don't seem to... I suggested going to google.ie, this is a > reply from someone who tried it.. > > Quote; > > 'My default google is google .com (the US engine) which is strange considering that I'm in Canada. When I specifically enter google.ca things get a > little better. When I enter www.google.ie the search results are entirely different, and much, much better. > Cheers' > > end of quote. > > So, wherever you live, it might be worth trying google.ie yahoo.ie etc......I presume the same applies to me to change to the local search engine in > US, Australia if I am searching there.... > > Also > > www.google.co.uk is worth trying... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Living in Ireland I have a different Google Search Engine... namely www.google.ie !! Someone on another board asked how we in Ireland find so much stuff on Google that they don't seem to... I suggested going to google.ie, this is a reply from someone who tried it.. Quote; 'My default google is google .com (the US engine) which is strange considering that I'm in Canada. When I specifically enter google.ca things get a little better. When I enter www.google.ie the search results are entirely different, and much, much better. Cheers' end of quote. So, wherever you live, it might be worth trying google.ie yahoo.ie etc......I presume the same applies to me to change to the local search engine in US, Australia if I am searching there.... Also www.google.co.uk is worth trying...

According to the Armistend Family History,Richard Talbott - who came to Maryland in 1649 -was the son of Sir Robert Talbott ,the 2nd Baronof Carlton Co., in Kildare: and Grace Calvert. Grace Calvert was the daughter of Sir George Calvert 1st Baron Baltimore. According to the Armistead material Richard TALBOTT was next in linrto become Earl of Sherwsbbury , however because of his loyality to King Charles,his estates were confiscated by the Cromwell Party,and he came to Maryland by invitation of Governor Stone in 1649, He settled in Maryland at the time period as Sir William Talbottand Colonel George Talbott- all relativews of Lord Baltmore. Sir Robert Talbott's nephews became Earl of Shrewsbury .In 1649 Richard receved a patent from the proprietary govermnt of the province for a tract of landknown as Timber Neck in 1655 he married Elizabeth Ewen. In 1656 he bought Poplar Knowle, a plantation on West River,Anne Arundel County. He died about 1662. ---- D H <hallmark1@utvinternet.com> wrote: > The Siege of Londonderry - Ireland - 1689 > > The French and Irish forces of Catholic King James II set siege to the supporters of the Protestant King William III, in the city of Londonderry. > > The Siege of Londonderry was a pivotal point in world history. The defence of that city and the events surrounding it, marked the end of the era of > absolutist Monarchy and bolstered the fledging concept of Parliamentary Democracy. Its story is fascinating. > > We have spent many hours poring over historical documents to bring you this wealth of knowledge on the Siege of London-Derry. You can search for the > names of people involved in the Siege, read about events, view illustrations of the city, see portraits of some key players and find out interesting > facts. > > http://www.lynx2ulster.com/Siege/index.php > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Here's a URL with details on how to effectively use DNA genealogy. It is by Terry Barton who runs World Family Tree: http://www.worldfamilies.net/smart Haven't seen anything that says it better. Linda Merle

Linda, Once again, you have expanded our researching and understanding of our ancestors by leading us to great resources. This is a great site! Thanks, Kerry Graham-- Haplogroup I1 ----- Original Message ----- From: lmerle@comcast.net<mailto:lmerle@comcast.net> To: List<mailto:scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:04 PM Subject: [S-I] Resource for Dna Genealogy Hi folks, Here's a URL with details on how to effectively use DNA genealogy. It is by Terry Barton who runs World Family Tree: http://www.worldfamilies.net/smart<http://www.worldfamilies.net/smart> Haven't seen anything that says it better. Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message