Hi folks, another 'no brainer' is to go to www.genealogical.com and search for your surnames. A large percent of their books are indexed on line. You can enter your surname and first name (upper left hand corner) and it'll tell you which books have hits. You can then buy all those books if you won the lottery. Or use worldcat.org to find a library nearby with the book, see if it is in the FHL, or use the Internet to find free lookups. A number of CDs are on line at www.genealogy.com but require a subscription. It might be cheaper to get for a year than to travel all over the world printing out CDs. Many of these older books are free at google books too. Sometimes this includes ones that Eneclan is selling at a hefty price! I searched Cook and got 22,000 plus hits at genealogical.com .What shows up is a lot in New England and the southern colonies. It's not really common in PA at all. I have also seen where it is an anglicization of Koch, a German name, which we do have lots of in PA. There were also some in NJ, apparently (hits in NJ books) and apparently in the Welsh colony. DNA???? Linda Merle

Hi Joan, what's your source? I'll ignore it if it is on my CDs as the info has been already conveyed, thanks to you. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:45:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Martha- The 2 baptisms at the Lutheran Church in York where the father is John COOK are: Moses COOK, son of John COOK and Elizabeth born Dec. 3, 1761 and baptized Jan. 24, 1762. The sponsors are not listed and neither is the maiden name for Elizabeth. Christine COOK of John and Dorothy, born July 22, 1763 and baptized September 11, 1763. >From the Quaker Warrington Monthly Meeting records there is a Joseph COOK and wife Mary (she died 15 day, 12th month, 1759 aged 29 years): John COOK born 9th day, 3rd month, 1758. This Joseph COOK married second to Elizabeth and had a daughter Sarah COOK born 7th month, 7th day, 1767. >From the private register of Rev. Robert CATHCART we have the marriage of an Elizabeth COOK to Wm. WRAY on April 22, 1794. Rev. CATHCART was a Presbyterian minister...which you thought your COOKs might be. The Warrington Monthly Meeting records also include the marriage record for the above Joseph COOK and Elizabeth WILKINSON, widow of Joseph WILKINSON, decd. on May 23, 1764. She was from Paxton (which was then in Lancaster County--later Dauphin). He was from Warrington Township, York County and is the son of Peter COOK and wife Sarah. There are also a bunch of York County will abstracts for various COOKs which mostly appear to be the Warrington Township Quaker COOKs. In this area you will find Scotch-Irish COOKs, Swedish COOKs (Cox/Cock) and possibly Germans COOKs also (originally Göch). Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 4:31:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: Joan, John Cook may be my John Jr. - he was a Loyalist in the Rev War & fled to Ireland but his request for reimbursement from the Brits for property losses didn't give names of a wife or children - can you give me info for both Elizabeth & Dorothy or tell me where to find it. No, my Cooks weren't Quaker, they were Protestant. Thank you much and I will check with the York Heritage Trust. Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, alas I don't have much time right now. I am very busy completing a book. I haven't even had time to vacuum. The CD's I have contain images of published books. If you've checked all the usual places, then they are not in these books. The usual places start with the published PA Archives series that are free at footnote.com and go on through a number of standard works. One way to learn what are 'all the usual places' to search is to purchase Legacy Family Tree. There is a free version, but the paid version has a database of sources you should check. It presents them based on where and when the target lived. Since I seem to be into stupid phrases today, this is the 'no brainer' way of doing an initial sweep. You don't have to know what they are or do any research -- you just generate the list. Often it'll tell you where they are. Of course things change quickly these days. So stuff could be on line at Family Search. You would need to know how to do more than type a sur name into the form, though. But now I'm digressing from the 'no brainer' topic and need a new paragraph. If someone came over to vacuum before they condemn the house I could look for the CDs. I am sure around 10 PM I will be so burnt out on footnotes I'll look for them even if I only did 5. They are so tedious the brain becomes weary and makes errors. However the end is now in sight. The huge noise you hear Jan 1 will not be the Taliban but me celebrating. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: billmartin44@ieee.org To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:15:40 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Linda, when you get a chance, could you please look for this marriage on your CDs? I've been unable to find it in published records - and I've looked at a lot of them - but I've not had access to any CDs. John Martin was Scots-Irish, born in "Little York" county PA around 1774. Exact township and parents unknown. John Martin and Susanna Ourie/Owrey/Urey/Ury/Ulrich married about 1797-98, possibly in York County, PA. It's also possible they married in Lancaster Co. since I have found Martins and Ureys living in both York & Lancaster counties. One clue to their marriage: The first known child of John & Susanna was Samuel Martin, b. 1 April 1799 and baptized 30 August 1800 in the records of Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church, York, PA. The 17-month gap between birth and Baptism puzzles me. The staff at the York County Historical Society told me the gap might indicate that John & Susanna Martin may not have lived near York, PA and that Samuel might have been baptized by a traveling preacher who, 17 months later, recorded Samuel's birth and baptism in the records of Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church. Linda, if you could find the marriage record for John and Susanna (Ourie/etc.) Martin it would be a real breakthrough for me. -Bill Martin Denver, CO -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:28 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Hi Martha, most of the ones that survive have been published in a series of periodicals. Then republished in large volumes. You check the large volumes. They are fried into CDs. I believe I got one collection. There are three volumes of Pennsylvania vital records at Ancestry too. If you post the name I'll see if I can check my CDs. (Translation: We'll find out if my current PC reads my old CDs <grin>). There are no township or county records. These will be church records. No state church in PA so no records like in Massachusetts, Maryland, lowland areas of Virginia with functional parishes (unlike where our ancestors lived...). If that turns up nothing, then you can check at the county level to see if the county archive has records that were not aggregated in the various collections. You can also check the state level at the Pennysylvania Archive website. I do not believe their collection is on line (but they are always surprising me). The names may also be in the diaries of itinerating preachers. Generally there wasn't always a church, just a group of people who were serviced once a year or less by a traveling minister. So...in this case, where would they record the event? They had no time travel machine to warp forward to the point where church registers (and a church) existed. So the minister's diary might be the only place. These are often aggregated, above. If you want to spend a few lifetimes, you can embark on a crusade by checking Presbyterian repositories. Don't think if you do the one in Philly you're through. Nope, several groups of Presbyterians would never deposit there. If you know the denomination, you can determine who 'serviced' them. Recall if there were 3 types of Presbyterians: normal (I guess 'orthodox' is a better term <grin>), Reformed/Covenantors, and Associate Reformed. Often in the early days they all met in the same place but of course knew the other two groups were hell bound. A! nd so wouldn't send records to their archive. It's usually more efficient to stick with published sources, taking careful records of what you have and haven't searched, for a very long time, before spending vacations in musty archives. For one thing, you don't know when the church may have deposited the records. The Presbyterians groups joined and split frequently. You may have to visit six or more -- to start! The later it is and the further from the frontier the better off you are. Desperate to avoid embarrassment, Ulster Scots married in German churches. People living in New York, likewise employed the handy Dutch Reformed church. Heading first for a aggregation of records means you'll hit them all (unless they got married in Maryland!). Ones close to Philly, full of churches, might be found in any of them. It isn't an easy life searching for colonial vital records in Pennsylvania, as you can see. Most Scotch Irish, esp. in the early years, are not likely to have any record of a marriage. All a few centuries of persecution makes one a bit paranoid and caused them to fall out of the habit of recording vital records. Where you can find info on the marriage, if you can't find a marriage record, is military pension records (state and federal - if Revolutionary War), for starters. Post the names and we'lll check out our private collections of CDs, books, etc. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Davis" <marthadavis1@mindspring.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:36:13 PM Subject: [S-I] PA marriage records! To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? 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The CLARKs and the DENNYs were in Salem and Gloucester counties in South/West Jersey. They intermarried with the RAMBOs to name one early Swedish connection. Many assume the RAMBOs are French Huguenot or Italian based upon the surname -- but it was an early Swede alias used by Peter Gunnarsson and his descendants. Being along the river in extreme South West Jersey in the 1700s -- anything is possible. Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 8:22:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: Hi Joan, check the exact location where they lived. There was an early Scots colony in New Jersey. I learned this in a book by Dobson. It is on the CD: " Scottish Immigrants to North America, 1600s-1800s. The Collected Works of David Dobson. Volume One ." Though I have the book. His work is invaluable for distinguishing between the Scots and the Scotch Irish as well as various types of Scots who manifested in English colonies. Some willingly, some not. The worse news was that apparently the Scots engaged in a brisk illegal trade business. Often the product was tobacco, which was loaded from tiny dockings on the Chesapeake. Meaning there are no records of who lived there illegally or who jumped off the boat. Linda Merle

Dear Fellow Listers, I have recently acquired a daughter-in-law, so am in the process of adding her line onto my family tree. I'm trying to track down the origins of the John Bell, who is the father on record of Abraham Bell, born 12 April 1873 In Ballymena, Ahoghill, Antrim. The mother on the birth record is Mary Bell. I've found a marriage for a John Bell And a Mary McMeekin in the quarter starting August 1865, in Ballymen, Aghoghill, Antrim. So pretty sure "my" Abraham's mother was Mary McMeekin. I have been led to understand that a lot of records were destroyed in 1922, including Census that might help "clear the muddied waters'. Any suggestions? Thanks, very muchly, advance for any and all assistance. Yours truly, Margaret McNutt Canada

Further on this same topic...in South Jersey I have run into some DENNYs and CLARKs that seem to puzzle their descendants because it had been assumed (and still is by many) that both were Scotch-Irish but when you look at who they married and the churches they belonged to you find they ALWAYS married Swedes and almost always belonged to Lutheran and Moravian Churches frequented by the Swedes and Germans. Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 6:36:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: The same goes for MARTIN -- I found as many German MARTINs as I did Scotch-Irish...and York County, PA is a melting pot where you will find both...so never ASSume. There are also Swedish COOKs! Many of the Jersey COOKs were Early Swedes who descend from a COCK (the ship's cook...when the immigrants adopted an "alias" because they didn't have an actual surname they often used their occupation for their surname). Joan

The same goes for MARTIN -- I found as many German MARTINs as I did Scotch-Irish...and York County, PA is a melting pot where you will find both...so never ASSume. There are also Swedish COOKs! Many of the Jersey COOKs were Early Swedes who descend from a COCK (the ship's cook...when the immigrants adopted an "alias" because they didn't have an actual surname they often used their occupation for their surname). Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 6:25:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: Hi folks, another 'no brainer' is to go to www.genealogical.com and search for your surnames. A large percent of their books are indexed on line. You can enter your surname and first name (upper left hand corner) and it'll tell you which books have hits. You can then buy all those books if you won the lottery. Or use worldcat.org to find a library nearby with the book, see if it is in the FHL, or use the Internet to find free lookups. A number of CDs are on line at www.genealogy.com but require a subscription. It might be cheaper to get for a year than to travel all over the world printing out CDs. Many of these older books are free at google books too. Sometimes this includes ones that Eneclan is selling at a hefty price! I searched Cook and got 22,000 plus hits at genealogical.com .What shows up is a lot in New England and the southern colonies. It's not really common in PA at all. I have also seen where it is an anglicization of Koch, a German name, which we do have lots of in PA. There were also some in NJ, apparently (hits in NJ books) and apparently in the Welsh colony. DNA???? Linda Merle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't have the CD and my source is the books York County Church Records by Marlene S. Bates and F. Edward Wright. I also have the York County births book by John T. Humphrey. Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 6:18:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lmerle@comcast.net writes: Hi Joan, what's your source? I'll ignore it if it is on my CDs as the info has been already conveyed, thanks to you. Linda Merle

Little York is simply an early name for the City of York, PA. It is said they used the term to differentiate York, PA, from New York City, NY. Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 5:29:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billmartin44@ieee.org writes: John Martin was Scots-Irish, born in "Little York" county PA around 1774. Exact township and parents unknown.

Martha- The 2 baptisms at the Lutheran Church in York where the father is John COOK are: Moses COOK, son of John COOK and Elizabeth born Dec. 3, 1761 and baptized Jan. 24, 1762. The sponsors are not listed and neither is the maiden name for Elizabeth. Christine COOK of John and Dorothy, born July 22, 1763 and baptized September 11, 1763. >From the Quaker Warrington Monthly Meeting records there is a Joseph COOK and wife Mary (she died 15 day, 12th month, 1759 aged 29 years): John COOK born 9th day, 3rd month, 1758. This Joseph COOK married second to Elizabeth and had a daughter Sarah COOK born 7th month, 7th day, 1767. >From the private register of Rev. Robert CATHCART we have the marriage of an Elizabeth COOK to Wm. WRAY on April 22, 1794. Rev. CATHCART was a Presbyterian minister...which you thought your COOKs might be. The Warrington Monthly Meeting records also include the marriage record for the above Joseph COOK and Elizabeth WILKINSON, widow of Joseph WILKINSON, decd. on May 23, 1764. She was from Paxton (which was then in Lancaster County--later Dauphin). He was from Warrington Township, York County and is the son of Peter COOK and wife Sarah. There are also a bunch of York County will abstracts for various COOKs which mostly appear to be the Warrington Township Quaker COOKs. In this area you will find Scotch-Irish COOKs, Swedish COOKs (Cox/Cock) and possibly Germans COOKs also (originally Göch). Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 4:31:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: Joan, John Cook may be my John Jr. - he was a Loyalist in the Rev War & fled to Ireland but his request for reimbursement from the Brits for property losses didn't give names of a wife or children - can you give me info for both Elizabeth & Dorothy or tell me where to find it. No, my Cooks weren't Quaker, they were Protestant. Thank you much and I will check with the York Heritage Trust. Martha

Thanks, Joan. I never knew why the "Little" was attached to the name York. Very interesting! -Bill From: JYoung6180@aol.com [mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:48 PM To: billmartin44@ieee.org; scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: ***[Possible UCE]*** Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Little York is simply an early name for the City of York, PA. It is said they used the term to differentiate York, PA, from New York City, NY. Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 5:29:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, billmartin44@ieee.org writes: John Martin was Scots-Irish, born in "Little York" county PA around 1774. Exact township and parents unknown.

Joan, John Cook may be my John Jr. - he was a Loyalist in the Rev War & fled to Ireland but his request for reimbursement from the Brits for property losses didn't give names of a wife or children - can you give me info for both Elizabeth & Dorothy or tell me where to find it. No, my Cooks weren't Quaker, they were Protestant. Thank you much and I will check with the York Heritage Trust. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! > Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church in York has two baptismal records where > the father is John COOK. In one case the mother is Elizabeth and in > another > Dorothy. Don't know if this is your family or not -- but if they had > children baptized in this church they COULD have been married there as > well. > > There are also a bunch of COOKs in the records of Warrington and Newberry > Monthly Meetings (Quaker) up in the northern part of York County. > > I found nothing particularly near Shrewsbury Township though. > > You might want to check with York County Heritage Trust to see whether > they > have a family file on the COOKs and if they do they may have a marriage > record. > > Good luck! > > Joan > > > In a message dated 12/29/2011 12:26:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: > > Cook - Thomas, Robert, Hugh, John, James, Sarah & Elizabeth. They were > protestant, probably presbyterian. Many thanks, Martha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! > > >> Church records would be your best bet if you know where to look. Who are >> you looking for? I have some Lancaster and York County church records >> books >> -- while the books are mostly baptisms they do include some marriages. >> >> Joan >> >> >> In a message dated 12/28/2011 5:41:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: >> >> To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA >> marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township >> which >> was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4708 - Release Date: >> 12/28/11 >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4710 - Release Date: 12/29/11 >

Linda, when you get a chance, could you please look for this marriage on your CDs? I've been unable to find it in published records - and I've looked at a lot of them - but I've not had access to any CDs. John Martin was Scots-Irish, born in "Little York" county PA around 1774. Exact township and parents unknown. John Martin and Susanna Ourie/Owrey/Urey/Ury/Ulrich married about 1797-98, possibly in York County, PA. It's also possible they married in Lancaster Co. since I have found Martins and Ureys living in both York & Lancaster counties. One clue to their marriage: The first known child of John & Susanna was Samuel Martin, b. 1 April 1799 and baptized 30 August 1800 in the records of Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church, York, PA. The 17-month gap between birth and Baptism puzzles me. The staff at the York County Historical Society told me the gap might indicate that John & Susanna Martin may not have lived near York, PA and that Samuel might have been baptized by a traveling preacher who, 17 months later, recorded Samuel's birth and baptism in the records of Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church. Linda, if you could find the marriage record for John and Susanna (Ourie/etc.) Martin it would be a real breakthrough for me. -Bill Martin Denver, CO -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:28 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Hi Martha, most of the ones that survive have been published in a series of periodicals. Then republished in large volumes. You check the large volumes. They are fried into CDs. I believe I got one collection. There are three volumes of Pennsylvania vital records at Ancestry too. If you post the name I'll see if I can check my CDs. (Translation: We'll find out if my current PC reads my old CDs <grin>). There are no township or county records. These will be church records. No state church in PA so no records like in Massachusetts, Maryland, lowland areas of Virginia with functional parishes (unlike where our ancestors lived...). If that turns up nothing, then you can check at the county level to see if the county archive has records that were not aggregated in the various collections. You can also check the state level at the Pennysylvania Archive website. I do not believe their collection is on line (but they are always surprising me). The names may also be in the diaries of itinerating preachers. Generally there wasn't always a church, just a group of people who were serviced once a year or less by a traveling minister. So...in this case, where would they record the event? They had no time travel machine to warp forward to the point where church registers (and a church) existed. So the minister's diary might be the only place. These are often aggregated, above. If you want to spend a few lifetimes, you can embark on a crusade by checking Presbyterian repositories. Don't think if you do the one in Philly you're through. Nope, several groups of Presbyterians would never deposit there. If you know the denomination, you can determine who 'serviced' them. Recall if there were 3 types of Presbyterians: normal (I guess 'orthodox' is a better term <grin>), Reformed/Covenantors, and Associate Reformed. Often in the early days they all met in the same place but of course knew the other two groups were hell bound. A! nd so wouldn't send records to their archive. It's usually more efficient to stick with published sources, taking careful records of what you have and haven't searched, for a very long time, before spending vacations in musty archives. For one thing, you don't know when the church may have deposited the records. The Presbyterians groups joined and split frequently. You may have to visit six or more -- to start! The later it is and the further from the frontier the better off you are. Desperate to avoid embarrassment, Ulster Scots married in German churches. People living in New York, likewise employed the handy Dutch Reformed church. Heading first for a aggregation of records means you'll hit them all (unless they got married in Maryland!). Ones close to Philly, full of churches, might be found in any of them. It isn't an easy life searching for colonial vital records in Pennsylvania, as you can see. Most Scotch Irish, esp. in the early years, are not likely to have any record of a marriage. All a few centuries of persecution makes one a bit paranoid and caused them to fall out of the habit of recording vital records. Where you can find info on the marriage, if you can't find a marriage record, is military pension records (state and federal - if Revolutionary War), for starters. Post the names and we'lll check out our private collections of CDs, books, etc. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Davis" <marthadavis1@mindspring.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:36:13 PM Subject: [S-I] PA marriage records! To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? 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Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church in York has two baptismal records where the father is John COOK. In one case the mother is Elizabeth and in another Dorothy. Don't know if this is your family or not -- but if they had children baptized in this church they COULD have been married there as well. There are also a bunch of COOKs in the records of Warrington and Newberry Monthly Meetings (Quaker) up in the northern part of York County. I found nothing particularly near Shrewsbury Township though. You might want to check with York County Heritage Trust to see whether they have a family file on the COOKs and if they do they may have a marriage record. Good luck! Joan In a message dated 12/29/2011 12:26:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: Cook - Thomas, Robert, Hugh, John, James, Sarah & Elizabeth. They were protestant, probably presbyterian. Many thanks, Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! > Church records would be your best bet if you know where to look. Who are > you looking for? I have some Lancaster and York County church records > books > -- while the books are mostly baptisms they do include some marriages. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 12/28/2011 5:41:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: > > To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA > marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township > which > was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4708 - Release Date: 12/28/11 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Linda. I've checked Ancestry records, found nothing. John & Sarah Fulton Cook emigrated from Ireland and we know from The Journal of Alexander Chesney (whose grandmother was sister to Sarah) that John died in PA, then Sarah & children went into Union SC by 1772 (her Land Grant given to Irish Protestants). Their daughter Elizabeth had married William Hodge Jr. in PA before 1759. Found a Land Warrant for William Hodge Sr. for 100 acres in March 1746 in Reading Township (Lancaster) and his handwritten Will of 1767 states he was a resident of Reading at death. Closest to him in distance and time I find John Cook's Warrant for 100 acres in Aug. 1749 on Patapsce-York Rd. over Susquehanna. In Neal Otto Hively's Original Land Records Vol. 5 (if anyone needs a lookup) I find this property in Shrewsbury Township, Lancaster. It is said that the Widows Cook & Hodge & their families traveled together to SC and because of the marriage between their children I assume they lived in close proximity. We don't know if John & Sarah's children were born in Ireland or PA (or some of both) but their names were Thomas, Hugh, John, Robert, James, Sarah and the aforementioned Elizabeth. As to Rev. War records, Thomas was a Patriot & his record shows nothing. John, Hugh & James were Loyalists but I only have John's record from the Brits which shows that he emigrated in 1749, nothing else useful. Thanks much for your lookup efforts - you are a most impressive group of folks! Martha ps My best friend of 32 years died last night so if I don't respond to you immediately, I will. ----- Original Message ----- From: <lmerle@comcast.net> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! > Hi Martha, most of the ones that survive have been published in a series > of periodicals. Then republished in large volumes. You check the large > volumes. They are fried into CDs. I believe I got one collection. There > are three volumes of Pennsylvania vital records at Ancestry too. > > If you post the name I'll see if I can check my CDs. (Translation: We'll > find out if my current PC reads my old CDs <grin>). > > There are no township or county records. These will be church records. No > state church in PA so no records like in Massachusetts, Maryland, lowland > areas of Virginia with functional parishes (unlike where our ancestors > lived...). > > If that turns up nothing, then you can check at the county level to see if > the county archive has records that were not aggregated in the various > collections. You can also check the state level at the Pennysylvania > Archive website. I do not believe their collection is on line (but they > are always surprising me). > > The names may also be in the diaries of itinerating preachers. Generally > there wasn't always a church, just a group of people who were serviced > once a year or less by a traveling minister. So...in this case, where > would they record the event? They had no time travel machine to warp > forward to the point where church registers (and a church) existed. So the > minister's diary might be the only place. These are often aggregated, > above. If you want to spend a few lifetimes, you can embark on a crusade > by checking Presbyterian repositories. Don't think if you do the one in > Philly you're through. Nope, several groups of Presbyterians would never > deposit there. If you know the denomination, you can determine who > 'serviced' them. Recall if there were 3 types of Presbyterians: normal (I > guess 'orthodox' is a better term <grin>), Reformed/Covenantors, and > Associate Reformed. Often in the early days they all met in the same place > but of course knew the other two groups were hell bound. A! > nd so wouldn't send records to their archive. It's usually more efficient > to stick with published sources, taking careful records of what you have > and haven't searched, for a very long time, before spending vacations in > musty archives. For one thing, you don't know when the church may have > deposited the records. The Presbyterians groups joined and split > frequently. You may have to visit six or more -- to start! > > The later it is and the further from the frontier the better off you are. > > Desperate to avoid embarrassment, Ulster Scots married in German churches. > People living in New York, likewise employed the handy Dutch Reformed > church. Heading first for a aggregation of records means you'll hit them > all (unless they got married in Maryland!). Ones close to Philly, full of > churches, might be found in any of them. > > It isn't an easy life searching for colonial vital records in > Pennsylvania, as you can see. > > Most Scotch Irish, esp. in the early years, are not likely to have any > record of a marriage. All a few centuries of persecution makes one a bit > paranoid and caused them to fall out of the habit of recording vital > records. > > Where you can find info on the marriage, if you can't find a marriage > record, is military pension records (state and federal - if Revolutionary > War), for starters. > > Post the names and we'lll check out our private collections of CDs, books, > etc. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martha Davis" <marthadavis1@mindspring.com> > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:36:13 PM > Subject: [S-I] PA marriage records! > > To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA > marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township > which > was in Lancaster Co., now York? 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Cook - Thomas, Robert, Hugh, John, James, Sarah & Elizabeth. They were protestant, probably presbyterian. Many thanks, Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! > Church records would be your best bet if you know where to look. Who are > you looking for? I have some Lancaster and York County church records > books > -- while the books are mostly baptisms they do include some marriages. > > Joan > > > In a message dated 12/28/2011 5:41:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: > > To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA > marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township > which > was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1901 / Virus Database: 2109/4708 - Release Date: 12/28/11 >

Hi Martha, most of the ones that survive have been published in a series of periodicals. Then republished in large volumes. You check the large volumes. They are fried into CDs. I believe I got one collection. There are three volumes of Pennsylvania vital records at Ancestry too. If you post the name I'll see if I can check my CDs. (Translation: We'll find out if my current PC reads my old CDs <grin>). There are no township or county records. These will be church records. No state church in PA so no records like in Massachusetts, Maryland, lowland areas of Virginia with functional parishes (unlike where our ancestors lived...). If that turns up nothing, then you can check at the county level to see if the county archive has records that were not aggregated in the various collections. You can also check the state level at the Pennysylvania Archive website. I do not believe their collection is on line (but they are always surprising me). The names may also be in the diaries of itinerating preachers. Generally there wasn't always a church, just a group of people who were serviced once a year or less by a traveling minister. So...in this case, where would they record the event? They had no time travel machine to warp forward to the point where church registers (and a church) existed. So the minister's diary might be the only place. These are often aggregated, above. If you want to spend a few lifetimes, you can embark on a crusade by checking Presbyterian repositories. Don't think if you do the one in Philly you're through. Nope, several groups of Presbyterians would never deposit there. If you know the denomination, you can determine who 'serviced' them. Recall if there were 3 types of Presbyterians: normal (I guess 'orthodox' is a better term <grin>), Reformed/Covenantors, and Associate Reformed. Often in the early days they all met in the same place but of course knew the other two groups were hell bound. And so wouldn't send records to their archive. It's usually more efficient to stick with published sources, taking careful records of what you have and haven't searched, for a very long time, before spending vacations in musty archives. For one thing, you don't know when the church may have deposited the records. The Presbyterians groups joined and split frequently. You may have to visit six or more -- to start! The later it is and the further from the frontier the better off you are. Desperate to avoid embarrassment, Ulster Scots married in German churches. People living in New York, likewise employed the handy Dutch Reformed church. Heading first for a aggregation of records means you'll hit them all (unless they got married in Maryland!). Ones close to Philly, full of churches, might be found in any of them. It isn't an easy life searching for colonial vital records in Pennsylvania, as you can see. Most Scotch Irish, esp. in the early years, are not likely to have any record of a marriage. All a few centuries of persecution makes one a bit paranoid and caused them to fall out of the habit of recording vital records. Where you can find info on the marriage, if you can't find a marriage record, is military pension records (state and federal - if Revolutionary War), for starters. Post the names and we'lll check out our private collections of CDs, books, etc. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Davis" <marthadavis1@mindspring.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:36:13 PM Subject: [S-I] PA marriage records! To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Church records would be your best bet if you know where to look. Who are you looking for? I have some Lancaster and York County church records books -- while the books are mostly baptisms they do include some marriages. Joan In a message dated 12/28/2011 5:41:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, marthadavis1@mindspring.com writes: To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha

To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha

Linda, I have a name for you to lookup on your marriage CD's . . . it's David Lindsay married to a Rebekah. My age timeline suggest he and Rebekah were married in County Tyrone before migrating to the USA, but my records indicate his first child was b. 1772 in Bedford/Westmoreland County, PA. (As always, things don't add up!) Thanks, Bob Lindsay Email Checked by Norton -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of lmerle@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:28 PM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] PA marriage records! Hi Martha, most of the ones that survive have been published in a series of periodicals. Then republished in large volumes. You check the large volumes. They are fried into CDs. I believe I got one collection. There are three volumes of Pennsylvania vital records at Ancestry too. If you post the name I'll see if I can check my CDs. (Translation: We'll find out if my current PC reads my old CDs <grin>). There are no township or county records. These will be church records. No state church in PA so no records like in Massachusetts, Maryland, lowland areas of Virginia with functional parishes (unlike where our ancestors lived...). If that turns up nothing, then you can check at the county level to see if the county archive has records that were not aggregated in the various collections. You can also check the state level at the Pennysylvania Archive website. I do not believe their collection is on line (but they are always surprising me). The names may also be in the diaries of itinerating preachers. Generally there wasn't always a church, just a group of people who were serviced once a year or less by a traveling minister. So...in this case, where would they record the event? They had no time travel machine to warp forward to the point where church registers (and a church) existed. So the minister's diary might be the only place. These are often aggregated, above. If you want to spend a few lifetimes, you can embark on a crusade by checking Presbyterian repositories. Don't think if you do the one in Philly you're through. Nope, several groups of Presbyterians would never deposit there. If you know the denomination, you can determine who 'serviced' them. Recall if there were 3 types of Presbyterians: normal (I guess 'orthodox' is a better term <grin>), Reformed/Covenantors, and Associate Reformed. Often in the early days they all met in the same place but of course knew the other two groups were hell bound. A! nd so wouldn't send records to their archive. It's usually more efficient to stick with published sources, taking careful records of what you have and haven't searched, for a very long time, before spending vacations in musty archives. For one thing, you don't know when the church may have deposited the records. The Presbyterians groups joined and split frequently. You may have to visit six or more -- to start! The later it is and the further from the frontier the better off you are. Desperate to avoid embarrassment, Ulster Scots married in German churches. People living in New York, likewise employed the handy Dutch Reformed church. Heading first for a aggregation of records means you'll hit them all (unless they got married in Maryland!). Ones close to Philly, full of churches, might be found in any of them. It isn't an easy life searching for colonial vital records in Pennsylvania, as you can see. Most Scotch Irish, esp. in the early years, are not likely to have any record of a marriage. All a few centuries of persecution makes one a bit paranoid and caused them to fall out of the habit of recording vital records. Where you can find info on the marriage, if you can't find a marriage record, is military pension records (state and federal - if Revolutionary War), for starters. Post the names and we'lll check out our private collections of CDs, books, etc. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Davis" <marthadavis1@mindspring.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:36:13 PM Subject: [S-I] PA marriage records! To all you PA researchers - can anyone tell me how to find 1700s PA marriage records (if they exist), specifically for Shrewsbury Township which was in Lancaster Co., now York? Thanks, Martha ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message