Thank you Hugh, For your prompt reply and additional information. You have been most helpful. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > Hello Tom, > > The book is IRISH IMMIGRANTS IN THE LAND OF CANAAN: LETTERS AND MEMOIRS > FROM COLONIAL AND REVOLUTIONARY AMERICA, 1675-1815. It is written and > edited by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. > Doyle. Oxford University Press published it in 2003. > > Perhaps the best brief description of the book is in this Preface > paragraph: "Each of the book's chapters focuses on one or more specific > immigrants and on the documents they wrote or dictated. Thus, the > chapters constitute a series of historical essays, each can stand alone, > but together they represent at once the disparate character, the common > themes, and the mosaiclike texture of early Irish migration." > > I did not find Spier/Speer in the Index. > > Regards, > > Hugh > > On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Tom Speer wrote: > >> Hugh, >> I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose >> tombstone in Donegal gives his date of birth as 1781and age 84 years. He >> was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from >> Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a >> William >> Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of >> Ballyboencuragh. >> I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems >> relevant. Thank you and kind regards. >> Tom Speer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >> >> >>> Joe and Linda, >>> >>> I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked >>> quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. >>> I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my >>> eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least >>> the >>> 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of >>> Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the >>> American Revolution." >>> >>> Hugh Nevin >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >>>> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >>>> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >>>> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the >>>> index >>>> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >>>> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >>>> >>>> Hi Linda, >>>> >>>> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >>>> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >>>> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it >>>> then >>>> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still >>>> no >>>> luck. >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph Flock III >>>> >>>> Linda wrote: >>>> >>>> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration >>>> that >>>> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >>>> Famine. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Are you missing people who should be on census?? The transcriptions are as they appear on Forms! (*as per instructions to transcribers!) Often the Surname was put Christian name column...so instead of E.G. entering Mary in Christian name box and Barrington is Surname box you have to reverse them!! Put Barrington in Christian name box and Mary in Surname box...then search!! Using Google URL shortener you can see examples of what I'm waffling on about!! (I like waffles...!!) here is the URL http://goo.gl/s0cBr which will show you how many people there were with the Surname Mary...so try putting the Surname you are researching in the box for Christian name!! DH

Hi Joe, I have "Emigrants and Exiles". As soon as I finish moving my computer to Linux and set up my wifi network, I'll look through it. On Linux now but gotta learn to admin it a little better. Shouldn't be tooooooo hard as I used to teach Unix internals and administration (and advanced administration, much more interesting). But this was servers, not clients, and before graphical interfaces. This all due to the latest Xp meltdown. Of course Linux was running just fine off the same hard drive (dual boot). Repaired the XP install. Then it wouldn't let me back on till I'd activated it. This pissed me off again. Two days later it's still applying updates and making me reboot. Not now. I'm running on Linux unless I gotta use Word for this one last project. You would not believe how grouchy I was on Friday. The trouble (still) with Linux or Ubuntu (that I run) is too many choices. Firewall? Yes -- but which one? Even installing is strange. Synaptic or Ubuntu Software Center? What's this codex crap just so I can listen to my DVD? Found article on installing a restricted package that installed Flash (which I hate, but oh well), and proprietary codexs and other still I don't understand, but it didn't say where to get it. Found it in Synaptics. Little squirt who wrote the article didn't say.... On and on you go, all the time decisions, and being a Libra, I have a hard time making one. Now up to "which antivirus'? Not the one that only tells you you're infected. Fix the dang thing too. Ah....found one that claims to do that too. Free Norton with Comcast, but it doesn't run on Linux, which is probably good, as I hate it. Luckily I've been migrating to free opensource software that runs on Linux now for a couple years, so I know how to use Open Office and other critical tools. Found a backup tool, but gotta configure it. Found a mozy substitute (no brainer way to go is Unbuntu One). Maybe need to write article on how to dump microsoft even if you are just a User. We need step by step instructions, which, as far as I can see, no one has done. And I got a huge stack of Linux manuals, right next to my obligatory stack of distros. 800 pages and still no answer to how to do this simply. There's no genealogy distro....hey folks, anyone want to partner on a genealogy distro? What fun! NO choices. One fire wall, one antivirus, etc. The Linux for people who don't want to read a manual on Linux. I donno if I'll stick with Legacy Family Tree (which I LOVE) and run it in Windows emulation mode under WINE, or try out Gramps (genealogy program on Linux). Any opinions? I heard Legacy runs on Linux in WINE. Maybe will try out today or tomorrow. As soon as I get rid of this dark purply black desktop...... So you can see I'm kinda busy right now..... Also gotta get this wifi router going, supposedly a 'no brainer'. I got a netbook that I mainly read books on (and take to genealogy libraries). It's going to Linux today too. I got a bag of distros that I bought cheaply as burning your own doesn't always work tooo well, and I was trying to minimize what else can go wrong. On my step by step guide, step one is 'buy some $20 distros, dude. You don't want to spend hours frying CDs with bad downloaded ISOs on them. Or trying to figure out what an ISO is. Hard enough to book from a DVD or flashdrive with a good distro. WHich function key?? GRRRR!!!!!" Such fun.... My brother and I agree we're not going to any old folks home (aka 'independent living center') that doesn't have wifi, a resident computer admin, vegetarian organic food, tai chi classes, and hot tubs. We're boomers!!! Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:51:42 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter There are two Kerby Miller books now being discussed. I was originally talking about 'Emigrants and Exiles . Ireland and the Irish exodus to North America'. Hugh is now talking about 'Irish immigrants in the land of Canaan: letters and memoirs from colonial and revolutionary America'. Both are partially viewable on Google books. I picked up the first one quite cheaply from Amazon. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6nljz5N8JlUC&dq http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bq79_YZ8ViIC&dq Joe ________________________________ From: Tom Speer <tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter Hugh, I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose tombstone in Donegal gives his date of birth as 1781and age 84 years. He was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a William Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of Ballyboencuragh. I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems relevant. Thank you and kind regards. Tom Speer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > Joe and Linda, > > I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked > quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. > I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my > eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least the > 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of > Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the > American Revolution." > > Hugh Nevin > > On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index >> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then >> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no >> luck. >> >> >> Joseph Flock III >> >> Linda wrote: >> >> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that >> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >> Famine. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers If you bring up Kerby Miller's book on Amazon.com, a "Search inside" facility kicks in. This may well give you the page number in the book and the surrounding phrase, if you're lucky also an image of the actual page. Regards Dave Mitchell -------------------------------------------------- From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 3:23 PM To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > Hello Tom, > > The book is IRISH IMMIGRANTS IN THE LAND OF CANAAN: LETTERS AND MEMOIRS > FROM COLONIAL AND REVOLUTIONARY AMERICA, 1675-1815. It is written and > edited by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. > Doyle. Oxford University Press published it in 2003. > > Perhaps the best brief description of the book is in this Preface > paragraph: "Each of the book's chapters focuses on one or more specific > immigrants and on the documents they wrote or dictated. Thus, the > chapters constitute a series of historical essays, each can stand alone, > but together they represent at once the disparate character, the common > themes, and the mosaiclike texture of early Irish migration." > > I did not find Spier/Speer in the Index. > > Regards, > > Hugh > > On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Tom Speer wrote: > >> Hugh, >> I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose >> tombstone in Donegal gives his date of birth as 1781and age 84 years. He >> was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from >> Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a >> William >> Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of >> Ballyboencuragh. >> I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems >> relevant. Thank you and kind regards. >> Tom Speer >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> >> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >> >> >>> Joe and Linda, >>> >>> I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked >>> quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. >>> I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my >>> eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least >>> the >>> 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of >>> Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the >>> American Revolution." >>> >>> Hugh Nevin >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >>>> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >>>> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >>>> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the >>>> index >>>> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >>>> >>>> Linda Merle >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >>>> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >>>> >>>> Hi Linda, >>>> >>>> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >>>> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >>>> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it >>>> then >>>> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still >>>> no >>>> luck. >>>> >>>> >>>> Joseph Flock III >>>> >>>> Linda wrote: >>>> >>>> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration >>>> that >>>> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >>>> Famine. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hugh, I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose tombstone in Donegal gives his date of birth as 1781and age 84 years. He was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a William Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of Ballyboencuragh. I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems relevant. Thank you and kind regards. Tom Speer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > Joe and Linda, > > I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked > quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. > I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my > eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least the > 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of > Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the > American Revolution." > > Hugh Nevin > > On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index >> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then >> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no >> luck. >> >> >> Joseph Flock III >> >> Linda wrote: >> >> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that >> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >> Famine. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Tom, The book is IRISH IMMIGRANTS IN THE LAND OF CANAAN: LETTERS AND MEMOIRS FROM COLONIAL AND REVOLUTIONARY AMERICA, 1675-1815. It is written and edited by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. Doyle. Oxford University Press published it in 2003. Perhaps the best brief description of the book is in this Preface paragraph: "Each of the book's chapters focuses on one or more specific immigrants and on the documents they wrote or dictated. Thus, the chapters constitute a series of historical essays, each can stand alone, but together they represent at once the disparate character, the common themes, and the mosaiclike texture of early Irish migration." I did not find Spier/Speer in the Index. Regards, Hugh On Jan 22, 2012, at 6:39 AM, Tom Speer wrote: > Hugh, > I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose > tombstone in Donegal gives his date of birth as 1781and age 84 years. He > was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from > Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a William > Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of Ballyboencuragh. > I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems > relevant. Thank you and kind regards. > Tom Speer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> > To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > > >> Joe and Linda, >> >> I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked >> quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. >> I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my >> eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least the >> 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of >> Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the >> American Revolution." >> >> Hugh Nevin >> >> On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >>> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >>> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >>> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index >>> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >>> >>> Linda Merle >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >>> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >>> >>> Hi Linda, >>> >>> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >>> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >>> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then >>> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no >>> luck. >>> >>> >>> Joseph Flock III >>> >>> Linda wrote: >>> >>> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that >>> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >>> Famine. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are two Kerby Miller books now being discussed. I was originally talking about 'Emigrants and Exiles . Ireland and the Irish exodus to North America'. Hugh is now talking about 'Irish immigrants in the land of Canaan: letters and memoirs from colonial and revolutionary America'. Both are partially viewable on Google books. I picked up the first one quite cheaply from Amazon. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6nljz5N8JlUC&dq http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bq79_YZ8ViIC&dq Joe ________________________________ From: Tom Speer <tspeer@gofree.indigo.ie> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter Hugh, I am trying to trace the origin of a gggrandfather William Speer whose tombstone in Donegal gives his date of  birth as 1781and age 84 years. He was a presbyterian who lived at Ballyboencuragh on the Ramelton road from Letterkenny. An 1847 survey of the then Manor Grove Estate shows a William Spier Sen. (and a William Spier Jun.) as tenants of part of Ballyboencuragh. I should appreciate details of the book to which you refer as it seems relevant. Thank you and kind regards. Tom Speer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nevin" <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> To: <scotch-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > Joe and Linda, > > I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in.  I've just looked > quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. > I didn't see the specific phrase.  Of the two references that caught my > eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference:  "By at least the > 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of > Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the > American Revolution." > > Hugh Nevin > > On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > >> Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you >> that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. >> Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in >> copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index >> may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. >> >> Linda Merle >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> >> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM >> Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter >> >> Hi Linda, >> >> Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the >> exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but >> can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then >> reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no >> luck. >> >> >> Joseph Flock III >> >> Linda wrote: >> >> Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that >> Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato >> Famine. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. Linda Merle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter Hi Linda, Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no luck. Joseph Flock III Linda wrote: Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato Famine. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joe and Linda, I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in. I've just looked quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants. I didn't see the specific phrase. Of the two references that caught my eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference: "By at least the 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the American Revolution." Hugh Nevin On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > > Hi Linda, > > Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no luck. > > > Joseph Flock III > > Linda wrote: > > Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato Famine. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hugh, That's a good example of why it's important to find the original quotes, as I would like to know if it referred only to the Laggan say which might represent a higher proportion of Scottish settlers or the poorer western districts which might be more native and Catholic in character.  Linda also previously made mention of the 'Earl of Donegal' in one of her posts on this subject. This might be a reference to p155 where he discusses Lord Donegall in the 1770s imposing 'large fines for the renewal of leases on his huge estates in eastern Ulster'? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/scotch-irish/1999-03/0921907664 apologies for digging this far back! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Hugh Nevin <hnevin@nycap.rr.com> To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter Joe and Linda, I happened to be online as Linda's reply came in.  I've just looked quickly at the County Donegal listings in the Index of Irish Immigrants.  I didn't see the specific phrase.  Of the two references that caught my eye, the following (p. 107) seems a possible reference:  "By at least the 1720s the fertile parishes of east Donegal,...were a major source of Presbyterian emigration that continued and perhaps accelerated after the American Revolution." Hugh Nevin On Jan 21, 2012, at 10:07 AM, lmerle@comcast.net wrote: > Hi Joe, actually it is from that book. I am busy and cannot promise you that I will find the time to research this for you. Perhaps try again. Google books is not likely to be useful for searching a book that is in copyright. The traditional way -- reading the book -- or using the index may help and if I get some time, I will try the index. > > Linda Merle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Flock" <joe.flock@yahoo.com> > To: SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:04:17 AM > Subject: Re: [S-I] Thoughts on replying to an American etc letter > > Hi Linda, > > Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no luck. > > > Joseph Flock III > > Linda wrote: > > Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato Famine. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Is this in Emigrants and Exiles? Do have the page reference or even the exact phrase? I have the book and have searched it several times but can't find this quote. I even tried using Google books to search it then reading the paper pages for the ones Google isn't displaying and still no luck. Joseph Flock III Linda wrote: Besides all that, Kirby Miller says in his book on Irish emigration that Donegal lost much of its population long before the (recent) Potato Famine. 

Wow, I didn't know in my ignorance that Scot-Irish was ever used as an identifier. In honesty, however, the census I needed to confirm origin for those in my surname groups were in the 1700's--before 1850 and If birth place was a representative column for the particular census (for mine at least) birth place or origin were always listed simply listed as Ireland or Scotland. When did the census bureau begin to list former Ulster residents as Scot-Irish? Susan On 1/17/2012 3:00 AM, scotch-irish-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lost Identity? (RKMacmaster@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:52:25 -0500 (EST) > From: RKMacmaster@aol.com > Subject: [S-I] Lost Identity? > To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<1944.3f439dc0.3c460429@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > We're all familiar with discussions of Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish as more > correct. Eliminate both? Read this story from the Belfast Telegraph: > > _http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mps- > fury-as-us-drops-scotsirish-from-census-list-16104086.html_ > (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mps-fury-as-us-drops > -scotsirish-from-census-list-16104086.html) > > Richard > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCOTCH-IRISH list administrator, send an email to > SCOTCH-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCOTCH-IRISH mailing list, send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCOTCH-IRISH Digest, Vol 7, Issue 9 > ****************************************** >

We're all familiar with discussions of Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish as more correct. Eliminate both? Read this story from the Belfast Telegraph: _http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mps- fury-as-us-drops-scotsirish-from-census-list-16104086.html_ (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/mps-fury-as-us-drops -scotsirish-from-census-list-16104086.html) Richard

OOPS.. For under lease from the Sackingham family READ under lease from the Packingham family /Subject:/ Re: [S-I] The Montgomerys of 1718 Wm's third marriage... to a sister of Sir Henry Montgomery //under lease from the Sackingham family

Interesting.... I had someone contact me recently about Walsh/Welsh in Ematris. If I remember correctly it was a doctor they were looking for, sent them some stuff... Subject: Re: [S-I] Genealogy question Scot/Irish Quebec Lakefield Joseph DawsonJane Fleming Hi there, I am away from home visiting family but will have a look at my genealogical materials for Ematris when I get home to see if I can find any connection to your Ematris ancestors. My connection is through my maternal grandfather, Henry Wesh(aka Walsh) who was evidently born there. His parents emigrated to Scotland when he and his younger brother were quite young.I have some names of his ancestors in Ireland but not much more than that. I do not have the maps/government grants you refer to. My mother came to Canada in 1927 and married an English born homesteader in Saskatchewan in 1929.I have his homestead records but they would not be of use for the province ofQuebec. If I find anything that looks useful I will let you know. Please note my email address has been updated to roswei@sasktel.net <mailto:roswei@sasktel.net> Cheers Rosemary Sent from my iPhone

The National Archives site gives a pretty good description of the land grant process in each province and their predecessors and where records are stored and how they are accessed. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/022/022-912.002-e.html For Quebec in the time frame and geographical area Sue is interested in, the most relevant database is likely the Lower Canada Land Petitions. I don't have access to them where I live but it gives her something to look for. John Carey Hamilton, ON -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Taylor Sent: January-09-12 9:57 AM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] Genealogy question Scot/Irish Quebec Lakefield Joseph DawsonJane Fleming Hi! Just a thought. There are the Drouin Records on-line. It used to be thought that they only contained RC records, but my very "Church of England" Bunch is on there. Don't know if they contain the Lakefield district or not, but worth a try. I have some Dawsons in my line too, in Canada, but they married into "my" Acton-Moore line in Montreal, in the latter half of the 1800's. Margaret Taylor Western Canada -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Weisgerber, R. Sent: January-02-12 11:23 AM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] Genealogy question Scot/Irish Quebec Lakefield Joseph DawsonJane Fleming Hi there, I am away from home visiting family but will have a look at my genealogical materials for Ematris when I get home to see if I can find any connection to your Ematris ancestors. My connection is through my maternal grandfather, Henry Wesh(aka Walsh) who was evidently born there. His parents emigrated to Scotland when he and his younger brother were quite young.I have some names of his ancestors in Ireland but not much more than that. I do not have the maps/government grants you refer to. My mother came to Canada in 1927 and married an English born homesteader in Saskatchewan in 1929.I have his homestead records but they would not be of use for the province ofQuebec. If I find anything that looks useful I will let you know. Please note my email address has been updated to roswei@sasktel.net Cheers Rosemary Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-31, at 1:53 AM, "Guest Account" <slsmith112@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > Happy New Year > > I found your email on line in a rootweb.com thread on the Scott Irish > in early Lakefield, Quebec, Canada records. > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/Scotch-Irish/2008-01/11993916 > 37 > > I am wondering if you have any records on your early maps of Lakefield government grants (100 acres) to settlers in the early 1800's that could apply to a Joseph Dawson and his wife, Jane Fleming, who we think might be from Ematris Parish, Monaghan County, Ireland (Church of England or Protestant Scot/Irish). Joseph and his wife would probably have been born in Ematris around 1780-1790 or so. I am also wondering about an Edward Dawson, born in 1700's, who would have been granted land in the same place. > > Thank you! > > Sue Leighton (DAWSON) Smith > New Canaan, CT > slsmith112@gmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi! Just a thought. There are the Drouin Records on-line. It used to be thought that they only contained RC records, but my very "Church of England" Bunch is on there. Don't know if they contain the Lakefield district or not, but worth a try. I have some Dawsons in my line too, in Canada, but they married into "my" Acton-Moore line in Montreal, in the latter half of the 1800's. Margaret Taylor Western Canada -----Original Message----- From: scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:scotch-irish-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Weisgerber, R. Sent: January-02-12 11:23 AM To: scotch-irish@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [S-I] Genealogy question Scot/Irish Quebec Lakefield Joseph DawsonJane Fleming Hi there, I am away from home visiting family but will have a look at my genealogical materials for Ematris when I get home to see if I can find any connection to your Ematris ancestors. My connection is through my maternal grandfather, Henry Wesh(aka Walsh) who was evidently born there. His parents emigrated to Scotland when he and his younger brother were quite young.I have some names of his ancestors in Ireland but not much more than that. I do not have the maps/government grants you refer to. My mother came to Canada in 1927 and married an English born homesteader in Saskatchewan in 1929.I have his homestead records but they would not be of use for the province ofQuebec. If I find anything that looks useful I will let you know. Please note my email address has been updated to roswei@sasktel.net Cheers Rosemary Sent from my iPhone On 2011-12-31, at 1:53 AM, "Guest Account" <slsmith112@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > Happy New Year > > I found your email on line in a rootweb.com thread on the Scott Irish in early Lakefield, Quebec, Canada records. > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/Scotch-Irish/2008-01/1199391637 > > I am wondering if you have any records on your early maps of Lakefield government grants (100 acres) to settlers in the early 1800's that could apply to a Joseph Dawson and his wife, Jane Fleming, who we think might be from Ematris Parish, Monaghan County, Ireland (Church of England or Protestant Scot/Irish). Joseph and his wife would probably have been born in Ematris around 1780-1790 or so. I am also wondering about an Edward Dawson, born in 1700's, who would have been granted land in the same place. > > Thank you! > > Sue Leighton (DAWSON) Smith > New Canaan, CT > slsmith112@gmail.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCOTCH-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wm Montgomery, descended from one of the Scottish branches of that name who came to Ireland prior to or about the middle of the seventeenth century, inherited a tract of land of one thousand acres under lease from the Sackingham family located to the north and east of what is now the village of Crumlin. This Wm Montgomery was married three times, and by his first or second marriages, which is uncertain, he had four sons: 1. William. 2. John. 3. Henry. 4. James. and by his third marriage to a sister of Sir Henry Montgomery, baronet of Co. Londonderry, he had one son: 5. Archibald. Archibald Montgomery, fifth son of William Montgomery, married Sarah Campbell in 1767, daughter of John and (Cunningham) Campbell of Killealy in Killead. By his will dated 13, January 1816, proved 20, September 1823 he makes sundry bequests to his children: * 1. Henry. born 16, January 1788, (**married to E.S on 6, April 1812) was a Presbyterian minister, who led a secession movement and formed what is known as the non-conformant branch of that church. This movement (with some references to his genealogy) is set out in a biography, the first volume only of which was published.! 2. John. 3. Margaret. 4. Elizabeth Kirker (this name evidently her marriage name). 5. Josias, otherwise Joshua. 6. Alexander. 7. William . 8. Archibald not mentioned in will, but elsewhere named as a son.

Hi folks, those who read books, attend conferences, take on-line courses, etc, know that it has been difficult to get hold of Scottish Catholic parish records even if you did 'git ejikated' because ....the advice given was to contact someone to research in the Glasgow church archives and/or the Scottish Archives in Edinburgh. This is doubly frustrating because the records of the Scottish Established Church have been the easiest to get for decades (indexed in Family Search, available on mcrofilm). Probably these records are of interest to more of us here than we realize. In any case they're of critical interest to many Scots whose ancestors were Irish Catholics as well as Highlanders since many Highlanders remained Catholic. I subscribe to a blog "British Genes" http://britishgenes.blogspot.com/ that has posted an update. You subscribe to a blog like this by clicking on the red RSS feed (on this site it's in the lower left and says 'subscribe to a reader'). Then you add it to your reader of choice: yahoo, google...whatever. I use google. I navigate to igoogle.com every day and a whole page comes up of my favorite blogs, etc. I can see what's new. You can sometimes sub through email. It's one way to learn a little more every day .... free. What I learned today is there is an archive site: http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk If you prowl around it for a while you'll find a page with a list of holdings: http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/FamilyHistory/ParishRegisterholdings/tabid/82/Default.aspx It also has a list of what is held in Edinburgh: http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/FamilyHistory/ScotlandsPeopleavailabilityofrecords/tabid/164/Default.aspx This page also identifies what has and has not been digitized and made available on line at Scotland's People. This page lists archives that hold records: http://www.scottishcatholicarchives.org.uk/Archives/tabid/67/Default.aspx And of course on the front page it says: " Just under half a million birth and baptismal records dating from 1703 to 1908 have been made available via the ScotlandsPeople website. 7 October 2009 ." So there is more at Scotland's People than just the Presbyterian records previously indexed and available on microfilm at via FamilySearch. Its website is http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ . Note: usually this is not the list to trowl for good advice on researching in Scotland and seeking contacts regarding people from or in Scotland. The reason is that Scotland is not Ireland. Canada is not the USA, right? They're different places with different records situations (due to different laws, history, social situations, etc,etc etc.). If you think they are the same, then go find me sassines in Ireland .... or ballyboes in Scotland. In the one the parish records are Presbyterian. In the other there are multiple types of parishes but few church records before about 1820. In the one most people are named in church records, in the other few are. The one has censuses in the 19th century and the other doesn't. These differences mean one must use different strategies. Trying to apply a simple Scottish research in Ireland will usually result in frustration. They're different. All we try to do here is succeed at Irish genealogy. The Scots experts are elsewhere -- on Scottish lists. Adhering to this common sense strategy also keeps us in good standing with our host, Rootsweb who don't like it when we query in the wrong list -- the people we are looking for are probably on the right list, waiting for our query and we 'blew it' by querying on the Russian list for some lost Albanians. Still, for those attempting to trace ancestors across the Irish Sea, it seems like a free search at Scotlands People might be useful! Here it is, 10:41 AM and I've already learned something today <grin>. Linda Merle

Thanks Ginger! which ancestors? Linde