Wondering if someone on the list could do a look-up on their 1851 Census CD for Derry, Ireland and lookup an ancestor for me? I would be most grateful to whom ever could do this for me. thank you. contact me at histreebuff@yahoo.com offline.thanks Nancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Sorry. Forgot to say that there was a large Cornish settlement in the southern areas of Ireland, around Avoca and Bantry Bay. I believe that, in one of these areas, the old miners' cottages are now being used as holiday homes. Cheers Pat Pat Banks Perth Western Australia CFHS 03548 OPC for St.Levan and Mullion, Cornwall Researching: COCK Mullion, Cornwall GEORGE Illogan and Townshend, Cornwall OSBORNE St.Levan, Cornwall POLGLASE Breage and Kerthenwood, Cornwall MAGILL Co.Antrim MAWHINNEY Co. Antrim -----Original Message----- From: kevin malikowski paula talbot [mailto:doghouse1@brainerd.net] Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2005 8:37 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is the way to direct my research. I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? Thank you, Paula

Greetings all Mitchell is quite a common name in Cornwall. I have relations and once had neighbours with that name. Cheers Pat Pat Banks Perth Western Australia CFHS 03548 OPC for St.Levan and Mullion, Cornwall Researching: COCK Mullion, Cornwall GEORGE Illogan and Townshend, Cornwall OSBORNE St.Levan, Cornwall POLGLASE Breage and Kerthenwood, Cornwall MAGILL Co.Antrim MAWHINNEY Co. Antrim -----Original Message----- From: kevin malikowski paula talbot [mailto:doghouse1@brainerd.net] Sent: Thursday, 14 April 2005 8:37 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is the way to direct my research. I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? Thank you, Paula

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Paula, I overlooked the 1800 U.S. census - there is a Thomas Mitchell in Allegheny Co., PA for the on-line 1800 census (ancestry.com), but it is best to use microfilm or at least a book index to check all the Mitchells listed within the same area. Lee Ramsey http://www.1n5free.com

Mitchell + Allegheny Co., PA + b.1796 + Scotch-Irish = 1790 U.S. census of Allegheny Co., PA - One (1) Mitchell: James Mitchell, head of household, with 2 male children and 3 females including female head of house. Note: That portion of Allegheny Co., PA where the James Mitchell household was enumerated in 1790 was taken from Washington Co., PA. Local History web sites - Allegheny Co., PA http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/ Washington Co., PA http://www.chartiers.com/ Local History Books - "History of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania" by Samuel W. Durant, 1876; "Allegheny County's Hundred Years", by George H. Thurston, 1888; "Allegheny County: Its Early History and Subsequent Development, from the Earliest Period Till 1790", by A.A. Lambing; "From 1790 Till the Present Time, by Hon. J.W.F. White, 1888; "History of Washington County from its First Settlement to the Present Time", by Alfred Creigh; "History of Washington County", by Earle R. Forrest. 3 vols., 1926; Local and state records - land, taxes, wills, administrations, marriage, court minutes, military, etc. Church records - Dunnaway ("The S-I of Col. PA") states there were 19 Presbyterian churches established in Washington Co., PA, 13 of them prior to 1790, and by 1790 Washington Co., PA was a distinctly S-I community. Allegheny Co., PA was also predominately a S-I settlement. Lee Ramsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin malikowski paula talbot" <doghouse1@brainerd.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? >I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell >seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? > > I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany > Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is > the way to direct my research. > > I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? > > Thank you, Paula > >

Would appreciate advice on whether Whiteford is listed in George Fraser Black's book. I have Whitefords in Argyll Sco in the 1840s but the census indicates they were all born in Ireland. Listers to the Argyll board have indicated there were a number of Whiteford families in Campbeltown involved in fishing and they were all from Antrim. Many thanks for any advice. Anne Whiteford ----- Original Message ----- From: "robertmcartor" <robertmcartor@verizon.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? > George Fraser Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" lists Mitchell (pages > 602-603) as a name found in Scotland as early as 1555. This book is a > bible in Scottish matters. Bob McArtor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kevin malikowski paula talbot" <doghouse1@brainerd.net> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? > > >>I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell >>seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? >> >> I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany >> Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is >> the way to direct my research. >> >> I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? >> >> Thank you, Paula >> >> > >

Linda is right on target. The Dictionary of American Family Names (which I do not have) does show the spelling Mag Eitigh "son of Eiteach" in Northern Ireland (Derry). By the way Eiteach means "winged". Aye, Bob McArtor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Origin of surname GETTY > Hi Donna, > > Getty is uncommon in Ulster our homeland so it is not in > Bell. It IS in MacLysaght where he says it is found in > Antrim and Derry and is an abreviation of the Scottish > Dalgetty. He then says Mag Eitigh is used as the form in > Irish. He says -- I donno if he's telling us some are > Irish and not Scots or some Scots who assimilated into > Irish use(d) Mag Eitigh. > > Linda Merle > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> > Reply-To: <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:00:08 -0400 > >>Hi. If you still have the Scottish surnames book out, could you please >>check the name GETTY? I understand it's Scotch, but would love any >>information. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Donna >>Descendent of James GETTY and family who emigrated from Ireland in 1764 to >>New York with his Presbyterian Church. >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > >

I do not see Getty in Black's "Surnames" but that doesn't mean it is not Scottish for it may appear under a Gaelic spelling or in some other form. I did look up MacGetty but that name is not there either. Aye, Bob McArtor ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Origin of surname GETTY > Hi. If you still have the Scottish surnames book out, could you please > check the name GETTY? I understand it's Scotch, but would love any > information. > > Thanks, > > Donna > Descendent of James GETTY and family who emigrated from Ireland in 1764 to > New York with his Presbyterian Church. > >

Hi Donna, Getty is uncommon in Ulster our homeland so it is not in Bell. It IS in MacLysaght where he says it is found in Antrim and Derry and is an abreviation of the Scottish Dalgetty. He then says Mag Eitigh is used as the form in Irish. He says -- I donno if he's telling us some are Irish and not Scots or some Scots who assimilated into Irish use(d) Mag Eitigh. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> Reply-To: <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:00:08 -0400 >Hi. If you still have the Scottish surnames book out, could you please >check the name GETTY? I understand it's Scotch, but would love any >information. > >Thanks, > >Donna >Descendent of James GETTY and family who emigrated from Ireland in 1764 to >New York with his Presbyterian Church. > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi. If you still have the Scottish surnames book out, could you please check the name GETTY? I understand it's Scotch, but would love any information. Thanks, Donna Descendent of James GETTY and family who emigrated from Ireland in 1764 to New York with his Presbyterian Church.

Hello Paula, MacLysaght 'The Surnames of Ireland' MITCHELL This well-known English name is long established and very numerous in all the provinces except Munster [the southern counties like Cork]. In Connacht it is often a synonym of Mulvihil. Clan Mitchell The name comes from the French version of Michael, ie. Michel, and was most likely brought to Scotland by the Normans. www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/mitchel.html Perhaps it was originally Norman then English, Scottish, Irish. Try the surname navigator at www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator/ Rob Doragh Liverpool UK <doghouse1@brainerd.net> Subject: Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 searching surname Mitchell. Scotch/Irish name? can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell b Alleghany Co. Pa. large Scotch/Irish area Paula

Hi Anne, For Scotch Irish surnames you need to check Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames". Otherwise if you check Black you may be misled. Ie Black's info is correct for Scotland but Ulster is a different thing altogether because Ulster has had such a large amount of immigration. SO you get folks from both England and Scotland as well as Irish surnames that are changed to sound like English names just as happens in the USA with surnames in America.We have all probably heard a joke or two about German surnames in the USA. Bell covers the top 300 names, but actually he covers more than that because he covers variants. Whiteford isn't in it. That's GOOD because it means the population is small. Check Griffiths for pods of the surname. I am also checking "SUrnames of Derry" for you by Brian Mitchell. It is an every name study of surnames in Derry in 1989. You had Whiteman, Whiteside, but no Whitefords. Whiteford is not in MacLysaght. It is in Reaney and WIlson, "A Dictionary of English Surnames". It appears in the pipe rolls in 1230 from Old English. As Old English (Anglish) was spoken in Scotland too (east coast settled by Angles down through Durham, Yorkshire, etc), it could well be Scottish as well. Many Anglish names are. I checked O'hart's Irish Pedigrees and didn't find it in either Vol 1 (natives) or Vol 2 (invaders). The two adjoining coasts of Ireland and Scotland have long been close (12 miles!) and people have been going back and forth for a very long time. It's very common for western Scots to discover lines originating in Ireland when they do genealogical research. Black "Surnames of Scotland" has some stories in the front essay of how the Irish surnames change to become proper Scots surnames. Esp. Glasgow which had (has) many industrial jobs. IN earlier times many agricultural workers migrated to Scotland yearly. An estimated 10% remained. Every one hundred years -- everyone was gone (100%). In some of the Ordnance Survey Memoirs the names of migrants are given and/or numbers leaving from the parish yearly. Linda Merle >Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:57 AM >Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Is WHITEFORD Scotch/Irish? > > >> Would appreciate advice on whether Whiteford is listed in George Fraser >> Black's book. >> >> I have Whitefords in Argyll Sco in the 1840s but the census indicates they >> were all born in Ireland. Listers to the Argyll board have indicated >> there were a number of Whiteford families in Campbeltown involved in >> fishing and they were all from Antrim. >> >> Many thanks for any advice. >> >> Anne Whiteford >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "robertmcartor" <robertmcartor@verizon.net> >> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? >> >> >>> George Fraser Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" lists Mitchell (pages >>> 602-603) as a name found in Scotland as early as 1555. This book is a >>> bible in Scottish matters. Bob McArtor >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "kevin malikowski paula talbot" <doghouse1@brainerd.net> >>> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM >>> Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? >>> >>> >>>>I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell >>>>seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? >>>> >>>> I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany >>>> Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is >>>> the way to direct my research. >>>> >>>> I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? >>>> >>>> Thank you, Paula >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Yes page 811 of Black's "Surnames" contains a rather lengthy entry on Whitefoord, Whiteford, Whitford, etc. Bob McArtor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perplexed" <awhitefo@bigpond.net.au> To: "robertmcartor" <robertmcartor@verizon.net>; <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Is WHITEFORD Scotch/Irish? > Would appreciate advice on whether Whiteford is listed in George Fraser > Black's book. > > I have Whitefords in Argyll Sco in the 1840s but the census indicates they > were all born in Ireland. Listers to the Argyll board have indicated > there were a number of Whiteford families in Campbeltown involved in > fishing and they were all from Antrim. > > Many thanks for any advice. > > Anne Whiteford > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "robertmcartor" <robertmcartor@verizon.net> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? > > >> George Fraser Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" lists Mitchell (pages >> 602-603) as a name found in Scotland as early as 1555. This book is a >> bible in Scottish matters. Bob McArtor >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "kevin malikowski paula talbot" <doghouse1@brainerd.net> >> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM >> Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? >> >> >>>I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell >>>seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? >>> >>> I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany >>> Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is >>> the way to direct my research. >>> >>> I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? >>> >>> Thank you, Paula >>> >>> >> >> > >

George Fraser Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" lists Mitchell (pages 602-603) as a name found in Scotland as early as 1555. This book is a bible in Scottish matters. Bob McArtor ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin malikowski paula talbot" <doghouse1@brainerd.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:36 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Is Mitchell Scotch/Irish? >I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell >seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? > > I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany > Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is > the way to direct my research. > > I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? > > Thank you, Paula > >

I am having much trouble searching the surname Mitchell. Does Mitchell seem to be a Scotch/Irish name??? I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in Alleghany Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I am thinking this is the way to direct my research. I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? Thank you, Paula

Hi Kevin, I am providing what Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames" gives on this name. He also uses Black, MacLysaght, Reaney and Wilson -- the standard British surname books as well as additional Ulster sources. It if a very common surname in Ireland but for Munster. Half of all in Ireland are to be found in Ulster. Because it is a Biblical name (from Michael) it was adopted in all British countries so you find them in England, Scotland, and IReland. You cannot with it (or most other surnames) determine the family origin with it. I have some in Scotland myself in Stirlingshire. There are SO many in that one Scottish county that you can barely sort them out. Very popular name. Back to Bell. In Ulster the surname can be of English, Scottish or Irish origins. THere was a Roscommon sept who anglicized their name to it. They are found primarily in Donegal. >I can only get as far as 1799 when James Mitchell was born in >Alleghany Co. Pa. Being this was a large Scotch/Irish area I >am thinking this is the way to direct my research. Your way to direct your research is to continue with American genealogy. There is a lot you can learn about the ethnic patterns of people possibly from Ulster but as other groups assimilated into "Scotch Irish", it doesn't help the genealogy. It's like assuming (in 2100) that because your American ancestor was an American, ate hotdogs, and liked baseball that his ancestors came from Britain -- when he was Japanese. Anyhow check the earlier tax records, militia lists (see our website for the free collection of PA Archives), deeds, warrants, wills, yada yada (scan the LDS catalog for Westmoreland COunty and PA for ideas), to see when they came. Most likely they came after the Revolution as most people still living did. There was a very small population before and during it. Most folks were waiting east of Bedford for the Indians to be pacified. So check Mother Cumberland. Your first stop (again) is the published, free, on line PA Archives. I hope there are not a zillion Mitchells there already. You will need additional clues like unique first names to weed them out. You should get a bead on the exact location. You say Allegheny, but was it Westmoreland or Washington in 1799. KEY. Where exactly? the southern areas were settled by many Virginians, often before the Revolution. So where they were can give you a hint on where they came from. >I have been stuck on this family for yrs. and yrs. Any suggestions?? Whenever I get stuck, which is frequent, that's a sign to learn more. Read books, articles, take a class. You can do all this free or pay. You will not get far with suggestions from Internet lists though a lot think that they do. You get farther faster by learning from authoritative authors and executing tried and true methodologies. My family has broken through a number of brick walls by getting smarter and reading a few free sources on the Internet. These include: http://genealogy.com/university.html -- take the courses on immigration research. Read them several times. Every time I do I learn something more that I missed. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle -- our website. Lots of useful stuff put there to save ourselves carpal tunnel and clogging the Internet with massive emails containing a lot of what we've collectively learned. Very best of luck (and if you get them back to Stirling, email me!) Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi... Have you checked the monthly meeting records? Might help. Louise

Hi Lyndall, It's not likely you will ever find them on a ship list since there are very few. Quaker records are vast. Have you checked the Irish Quaker records? There are two sets: one for Ulster and one for the rest of Ireland. Check both. The Ulster set is indexed in one of the Deputy Keepers Reports. I used it at Swarthmore last summer. They also had all the records on films. WOW were they hard to read! I got a file somewhere that tells you how to thoroughly check these records in IReland if googling for Quaker Ireland doesn't work. Also Quaker records in the USA are rather endless. Have you been to Swarthmore? A visit there solved a few puzzles. As many records as there are published you'd think they are all. Nooo!! Maxwell is a County Down surname -- a place with lots of Quakers too. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Lyndall Maxwell" <Lyndall_Maxwell@msn.com> Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 19:53:58 -0500 >I'm stuck with a MAXWELL ancestor who died in SC in 1796. No will. >No land. >I don't know his father's name. >Maxwell married a Quaker who was a MILHOUS. He may have come to SC with a group of Quakers - WYLY, MILHOUS, and a BROTHER EDMONSON who arrived 1750 in Charleston from Dublin. >There is no ship list in SC and nothing in Quaker records mentioning Maxwell. >Might I find ship lists in Dublin? >I've already checked those Dublin newspaper lists of ships. > >Lyndall Maxwell >lyndall_maxwell@msn.com<mailto:lyndall_maxwell@msn.com> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I'm stuck with a MAXWELL ancestor who died in SC in 1796. No will. No land. I don't know his father's name. Maxwell married a Quaker who was a MILHOUS. He may have come to SC with a group of Quakers - WYLY, MILHOUS, and a BROTHER EDMONSON who arrived 1750 in Charleston from Dublin. There is no ship list in SC and nothing in Quaker records mentioning Maxwell. Might I find ship lists in Dublin? I've already checked those Dublin newspaper lists of ships. Lyndall Maxwell lyndall_maxwell@msn.com<mailto:lyndall_maxwell@msn.com>