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First of all you have the wrong time scale. The 18th Century in Scotland was the time of the Moderates so what you have written has nothing to do with it. In the Anglican Church it was a time of general decay which gave rise to the growth of Methodism. I would be very interested to know when "the kings of Scotland were catholic and the bulk of the people were Presbyterian". The pastors were not paid by the State (King) but by the Tiends which was a kind of land tax. Clergy were generally appointed by the patron in the three kingdoms The Covenant was 17th Century, and while there were those who looked to the ideas of the covenant in both Scotland and Ireland they were Presbyterians. Here we are dealing with a member of the Church of Ireland. Deposition is something which happens to Ministers. While in theory people can be excommunicated for some great theological error or some heinous crime, in effect as the ultimate sanction it was in Protestantism of all kinds for generally reserved for Contumacy. What is more interesting were the civil effects of excommunication which prior to the beginning of the 18th century could be quite damaging. This is something I don't know much about in the Irish context _ would depend when in the 18th century with penal times and test acts ant the like Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: gordon crooks [mailto:glcrooks@bcpl.net] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Excommunication or deposed Linda: You have brough up the subject of excommunication, but how about "deposed" Remember the kings of Scotland were catholic and the bulk of the people were presbyterian and at that time the pastors were paid by the State (King). The Rev. William Crooks who may or may not be in my line comes to question as he was deposed by King James I, you also have to consider the signers on the convent, the whole subject is about power and relgious strife. Gordon

Excommunication is a sentence of a Church court. I have copied your later post so that all this stuff is together. I'm not an expert in Anglican law, (Supposed to be quite good on 18th Century Church of Scotland which remember was Presbyterian). In the 18th Century functionally there was not a great deal of difference between the practices of the various Established Churches. Discipline is at the core of the life of a Church. (One of the signs of a true Kirk according to the Scottish reformers was Godly Discipline rightly administered). Church discipline was only administered by a rightly constituted court. While in the Church of Scotland these courts stretched down to Parish level, but in Anglican level the lowest level of Church court was rural deanery. The sentence of excommunication was the most severe of all the punishments of a Church. The first requirement to be excommunicated was to be in Communion. I can't see how a non member (Free Church of Romanist) could be excommunicated. They must have been members of the Church and confirmed. Generally speaking the only thing which you are going to get excommunicated fro is contumacy - this is rejecting the authority of the court. The second thing is that they would have to be locally important enough for anyone to care about them. The fact that they later were minor leaseholders despite being Roman Catholics suggests that locally they were important, and for some reason were involved in a falling out in the Parish church. This was so severe that they were disciplined and refused the discipline. This was a major event, but I don't know enough about the history of the church of Ireland to even guess what the fight was about, and I don't know anyone who might know. Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:36 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Church of Ireland and Excommunication in the 1700s Hi folks, Is there any experts on this topic? In the mysterious Vestry book apparently the possible ancestor of my client was excommunicated from the CHurch of IReland in the mid 1700s or so (of course the family historian -- now burning in hell for failing to provide sources -- didn't give us the exact dates either). The people with the lastname in question, apparently his descendents, were minor leasees of the Marquise of Downshire. A hundred years later or so (1800s) one set were buried in the RC Churchyard, suggesting the family had become Catholic, though apparently too the Marquise was not known for liking Catholics. I am told many of his tenants changed their Irish names to Scottish ones and started showing up for services at the Church of IReland parish in order to remain tenants as opposed to American immigrants.... Could be that target family experienced lapses....donno...IN the USA they were Presbyterian and Baptist. The question is would the CHurch of IReland in the mid 1700s excommunicate Presbyterians or just Catholics??? The notion of being excommunicated from a church that forced everyone to be a member and pay tithes is interesting --- what did yu have to do to get ejected? (Not interested in current practice; just historical). Hi folks, "Ancestral Trails" is THE book on British genealogy though it's really about English genealogy. It says about English (Anglican) practice the following. The time frame is not clear.....I suspect the Church of Ireland followed along somewhat the same. p 453 under "Punishments and Sentences of the Church Courts" The lightest was a reprimand or monition. Worse was a penance. For laymen the most serious was excommunication. Lesser excommunication excluded you from attending church, while greater excluded you from the company of Christians until granted absolution. You might be refused burial in the parish graveyard and/or the church could refuse to prove your will. In England in the 1600s it says many people were excommunicated for years, many were Catholics or non conformists. Or witchcraft. So at least in England you could be excommunicated for being Catholic or a nonconforming Protestant. Linda Merle Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I am looking for information on a John ERWIN. He is mentioned in the will (1813) of Alexander ERWIN who came to this country from the north of Ireland in 1776. Alexander calls him his son in law married to his daughter Martha. Thanks, Jane

Linda: You have brough up the subject of excommunication, but how about "deposed" Remember the kings of Scotland were catholic and the bulk of the people were presbyterian and at that time the pastors were paid by the State (King). The Rev. William Crooks who may or may not be in my line comes to question as he was deposed by King James I, you also have to consider the signers on the convent, the whole subject is about power and relgious strife. Gordon

In a message dated 4/29/05 3:36:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merle@mail.fea.net writes: > The question is would the CHurch of IReland in the mid > 1700s excommunicate Presbyterians or just Catholics??? > The notion of being excommunicated from a church that forced > everyone to be a member and pay tithes is interesting --- > what did yu have to do to get ejected? I believe the Church of Ireland is/was Anglican (not Presbyterian or Roman Catholic). Usually one gets "ejected" (excommunicated) for heresy or other such interesting activities. I guess if one converted to either the Presbyterian or Roman church, that might be enough to do it! Ann

Hi folks, "Ancestral Trails" is THE book on British genealogy though it's really about English genealogy. It says about English (Anglican) practice the following. The time frame is not clear.....I suspect the CHurch of Ireland followed along somewhat the same. p 453 under "Punishments and Sentences of the Church Courts" The lightest was a reprimand or monition. Worse was a penance. For laymen the most serious was excommunication. Lesser excommunication excluded you from attending church, while greater excluded you from the company of Christians until granted absolution. You might be refused burial in the parish graveyard and/or the church could refuse to prove your will. In England in the 1600s it says many people were excommunicant for years, many were Catholics or non conformists. Or witchcraft. So at least in England you could be excommunicated for being Catholic or a nonconforming Protestant. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi folks, Is there any experts on this topic? In the mysterious Vestry book apparently the possible ancestor of my client was excommunicated from the CHurch of IReland in the mid 1700s or so (of course the family historian -- now burning in hell for failing to provide sources -- didn't give us the exact dates either). The people with the lastname in question, apparently his descendents, were minor leasees of the Marquise of Downshire. A hundred years later or so (1800s) one set were buried in the RC Churchyard, suggesting the family had become Catholic, though apparently too the Marquise was not known for liking Catholics. I am told many of his tenants changed their Irish names to Scottish ones and started showing up for services at the Church of IReland parish in order to remain tenants as opposed to American immigrants.... Could be that target family experienced lapses....donno...IN the USA they were Presbyterian and Baptist. The question is would the CHurch of IReland in the mid 1700s excommunicate Presbyterians or just Catholics??? The notion of being excommunicated from a church that forced everyone to be a member and pay tithes is interesting --- what did yu have to do to get ejected? (Not interested in current practice; just historical). Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi folks, The usual thing to do these days for Ulster church records is to check the PRONI website: (If you don't know what PRONI is click on the link http://www.proni.gov.uk; don't email me): Scrooll doown from this page: http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/USING/using.htm (The "Using Records" link on the LEFT of the main page) and there's indexes to their holdings for Church of IReland and Presbyterian. This just tells you if they have them and the film number. It's not a name index. In fact the index doesn't even ID the years PRONI holds. You can search on the internet and frequently find out what someone with no known credentials (might be maintaining website from Altzheimers Unit <grin>) thinks about the availablity of the church records. Like here: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/Old/coirecs.html Usually these are lifted from one or two sources of such info. People concerned a bit about getting the right answer check an authoritative source. There's a number of books about on the subject. I happen to own "Irish Records" by Ryan. He gives the date for records starting for the parish of Tullylish in Dromore Diocese, County Down (CHurch of IReland) as 1813 and gives the LDS film with some records on it. I am having a problem though. I am trying to find out where a prior researcher, now dead, who failed to identify his source, got information from the Tullylish Vestry Book from the mid 1700s. The Tullylish Vestry Book I do not believe 'survived', as we put it in Irish genealogy. However the now deceased person had Ulster Historical Foundation do unspecified research for him at some point and they turned up an excommunication that would have been recorded in the vestry book. Of course we do not have the name of the document that it came from. The documentation on the church records is for BMDs. I want to know what vestry books survived. So if anyone knows, let me know! However, I did check FALLEY, the expert on IRish genealogy. She wrote a two volume work "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research". Due to its importance it is in any genealogy library that has even a small Irish section. Otherwise you can find it in a bookstore like www.genealogical.com (I always get asked "How do I get a copy?".... go to a library or a bookstore are the only answers I know). Here's the story. Many Church of IReland church records were destroyed in the Four Courts Fire in 1922 because unfortunately people obeyed the governmental decree to send them in after the church was disestablished in the 1800s as they were deemed gov. records. However before 1922, some records were copied and/or published. These exist still in secondary collections -- the right arm of the sucessful Irish genealogist. P 273 of Falley: a complete indexed list of the Parish Registers for all of Ireland was printed in the 28th "Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records of Ireland", 1896, Appendix II, pp. 57-108. Indexed does not mean indexed by names of parishioners but names of parishes. It also gives their location in 1896. All but four of the copies in Dublin at the Four Courts of course burnt up in 1922. However as I said after the fire, copies appeared including abstracts of early Registers. Apparently before 1922 the earliest Registers for 29 parishes had been published already. For example Templemore -- Derry Cathedral. She goes on for a couple pages, concluding that for Republic of Ireland parishes were there TEN LISTS you had to consult to trace all information about the records. Focusing on Northern IReland, each of the Deputy Keeper's Reports for PRONI from 1924 to 1953 contain information on church records. There are also lists of various types that are supplemental to the last Report in 1853. She wrote her book in the 1960s so this info is out of date. It still the best to check her out as she consolidates the many lists, named above. Then she describes a long process she went through to determine the status of all Church of IReland parish BMDs. For Tullylish she says 1820 (not 1813). An example she gives (p279) of a secondary collection is that of Gertrude Thrift that contains church records of Fermanagh and many parishes in the Republic. These are indexed in the "Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland" while "The Government of Northern Ireland Public Record Office, Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Records" has consolidated indexes. All of which is very confusing but no where are vestry books mentioned. I suspect I may be able to find any published vestry books by using Smiths Inventory: FHL BRITISH Fiche 6110527 and/or Hayes. Description from: http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/resire.html#ireland "Frank Smith's Inventories: This is probably the single most valuable finding aid to British Isles sources held in the Family History Library collection. Smith's Inventory of Genealogical Sources was compiled by Frank Smith and a team of researchers who searched periodicals, books, and microfilms in the Family History Library Collection and indexed the individual items found in these materials that often not been separately listed in the Family History Library Catalog. For example, the Family History Library Catalog will list the name of a periodical but will not list the individual articles contained within. Smith's Inventory will contain names of the articles. Ireland Fiche #6110527 Richard J. Hayes, Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilisation: these volumes list the location of Irish Manuscripts." Linda Merle -- still searching for the Tullylish vestrybook. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Folks, I am not researching this family, but here is some info on them that hopefully will help someone, someday, searching in the archives of the list. If you go to http://www.rascal.ac.uk/ you can search through various repository catelogs for manuscripts and other goodies in Northern Ireland. I did that and found nothing on what I was looking for but did find this: In PRONI it's D/695 Collection of papers relating to the Waring family of Waringstown and Donaghcloney. Co. Down, 1641-1803, and to the linen industry in Ireland from c. 1680 to the mid 18th Century. Comprising mainly letters and accounts, the collection traces the development and management of the Waring family’s estate in Co. Down from its original acquisition in 1658 by William Waring (1619-1703), then of Derriaghy, Co. Antrim, to c. 1803. Particular emphasis is placed on financial affairs and the continuing claims of the Magenis Family, from whom lands had been forfeited to the Crown following their implication in the 1641 Rebellion. Also included in the collection are a number of letters, 1662-73, between Waring and Mrs Alice Smith, a widow, of Essex and London, who owned land in Co. Down and to whom Waring acted as agent, and her sons-in-law, Messrs Layfield and Ogle. Other material to be found consists of 160 miscellaneous documents, c. 1680-1750 concerning the Irish linen industry. These comprise chiefly accounts of linen imported into and exported from Ireland for the period, 1728-49, and a small number of maps. Of particular note is a coloured plan of the Glan Bogg, lying between the counties of Armagh and Down, surveyed by Francis Nevil, 1703, and a printed map of ‘the County of Down with a chart of the sea coast done from actual surveys and actual observations" dated 1755.. Important and unique 17th century documentation most of which relates to the Civil War in Ireland, 1641-1653, and its aftermath. Content Dates 1641/1803. Physical Characteristics Approx. 150 items, 1641-1803, almost all documents but with a small number of volumes and maps, occupying 5 PRONI boxes. Access Control The collection is stored in secure, closed accommodation and can be requested for on-site consultation using an in-house document ordering system. Access is supervised and for research and/or reference purposes only. Catalogue/Description See PRONI reference D/695 for catalogue of the papers. The catalogue is available for consultation in PRONI's Public Search Room. Legal Status The papers belong to surviving members of the Waring family. The owner who deposited the papers, Mrs Waring, died in 1968. All copyright and permission to publish queries should be directed to the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. See also PRONI reference T/1186 - Order from the Duke of Schomberg relating to the provision of bread for the Williamite army, Waringstown, Co. Down, 1689. Now to answer ahead of time those other emails I get that ask how do you get to this stuff?? In this case you: 1. Go to PRONI in Belfast 2. Hire someone do go to PRONI for you (email me for suggestions or fly me over tourist class from Boston!!!) 3. Conduct research to see if it is elsewhere. I did search LDS's catalog and it didn't seem to be there. It's be a two-step PRONI search (if you read above): 1. Check D/695 to get information on the items pertaining to your query. 2. Order up the documents and view them. That's followed by 3. Have a nice Irish coffee at a local restaurant up there on Lisburn Road. Oooohhh I can almost taste it now! LDS does have a couple items relating to WARING. At first I thought these were "Scotch Irish" Warings, but they are English ones who migrated to both New England and South Carolina where they apparently intermarried with the Talliferos. Waring The Waring family of Virginia, 1680+ Palmer, Sarah Wright and Waring family records Waring, Dabney Taliaferro A short history of the Warings by R.N. Waring Richard Waring and his son, Richard, immigrated in 1664 from England to Boston, Massachusetts, and settled in 1665 in Brookhaven, Long Island, New York. A brother of his, John, immigrated earlier to Boston, and another brother (name not known) immigrated to Watertown, Massachusetts. Benjamin Waring immigrated before 1691 from England to Charleston, South Carolina. Descendants and relatives of these two immigrant families lived in New England, New York, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, California and elsewhere. Includes genealogical data and some family history in England and elsewhere to the 800s Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Dear All Not long ago there was an query on the list about books on the Scotch-Irish. Inasmuch as I had recently compiled and annotated a list of works on Ulster-American conncections for another purpose, I am This list contains about 35 titles, published in either the U.S. or the U.K. It is by no means exhaustive, including as it does only those items I have been able to examine and annotate. Not all of them are still in print, either. But this should give folks a good basic reading list and perhaps contain an item or two that will be new to just about anybody. (I've been collecting such material since first going to Northern Ireland years ago.) It does not include works that concern only Ulster-Scottish connections, which is another topic altogether. Feel free to circulate or post this list further. Regards to all Michael Montgomery Columbia, South Carolina Ulster-American Connections: A Select Annotated List of Books and Booklets Compiled by Michael Montgomery Note: The following list includes only publications that have been personally examined by the compiler for the purpose of annotation and that are either in print or may be found through second-hand book dealers. Numerous other titles dealing with the genealogy of specific families may be found by searching the website of the Library of Congress at <www.loc.gov>. Items Published in the United States: Blethen, Tyler, and Curtis W. Wood, Jr. 1997. Ulster and North America: Transatlantic Perspectives on the Scotch-Irish. Tuscaloosa, Ala.: University of Alabama Press. xii + 283 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 8173 8023 7)2; also published in paperback) A selection of academic papers, mainly on historical topics, given at Ulster-American Heritage Symposia. Blethen, Tyler, and Curtis W. Wood, Jr. 1998. Ulster to Carolina: The Migration of the Scotch-Irish to Southwestern North Carolina. Raleigh, N.C.: North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources. xii + 71 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 86526 279 9) Well-illustrated account of migration of Lowland Scots to Ulster and their descendants subsequently to Pennsylvania, Virginia, and western North Carolina. Bolton, Charles Knowles. 1910. Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America. Reprinted in 1986 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. x + 398 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 8063 0046 9) The most detailed account of early migration to New England in the 1710s. Brownstein, Robin, and Peter Guttmacher. 1988. The Scotch Irish Americans. New York: Chelsea House. 111 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 87754 875 7; paperback, 0 7910 0277 2) A thoroughly illustrated account, designed for adolescents. Chalkley, Lyman. 1912. Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County, 1745-1800. Three Volumes. 2000 pp. Reprinted in 1999 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. (hardback, ISBN 0 8063 00698). Includes county court judgments, original papers on suits, court petitions, circuit and district court records, marriage bonds, land entries, guardians' bonds, administrators' bonds, tax delinquents, proceedings of the Vestry of Augusta Parish, and records of military service in colonial wars and the Revolution, and wills. Chepesiuk, Ronald. 2000. The Scotch-Irish: From the North of Ireland to the Making of America. Jefferson, N.C.: McFarland. (hardback ISBN 07864 06143) Traces migration from Scotland to Ulster and then to America, emphasizing character and contributions of Scotch-Irish to American culture. Ford, Henry Jones. 1915. The Scotch-Irish in America. Reprinted in 2000 by the Clearfield Company, Baltimore. viii + 607 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 8063 4523 3) A standard history tracing from Scotland to Ulster to colonial America, emphasizing religious, political, and educational contributions. Griffin, Patrick. 1999. The People with No Name: Ireland's Ulster Scots, America's Scots Irish, and the Creation of a British Atlantic World, 1689-1764. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press. xviii + 244 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 6910 74615; paperback, ISBN 0 6910 74623) Ground-breaking study discusses Ulster emigration to America within the perspective of the development of the British Empire. Hanna, Charles A. 1902. The Scotch=Irish or the Scot in North Britain, North Ireland, and North America. 2 volumes. New York: Putnam. Reprinted in 2005 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. 623 + 602 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 8063 01686) Most comprehensive account of the Scotch-Irish and their origins, emphasizing notable individuals and including many documents. Jackson, Carlton. 1993. A Social History of the Scotch-Irish. University Press of America. Lanham, N.Y.: Madison. xviii + 203 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 8191 8071 8) Traces migration from Scotland to Ulster and then to America, emphasizing character and contributions of Scotch-Irish to American culture. Journal of Scotch-Irish Studies. 2000-2004. Scholarly journal devoted to Ulster-American relations and connections. Available from Center for Scotch-Irish Studies, PO Box 71, Glenoldyn PA 19036-0071. Lewis, Thomas A. 2004. West from Shenandoah; a Scotch-Irish Family fights for America 1729-1781 New York: Wiley and Sons. 272 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 4713 15788) Chronicles the early settlement of Virginia's Shenandoah Valley, which the author calles "the first frontier," and the role of the author's ancestors in this process. Leyburn, George C. 1962. The Scotch-Irish in America: A Social History. Chapel Hill, N.C.: University of North Carolina Press. (hardback, ISBN 0 8078 8043 1; also published in paperback) Remains the recognized standard and most cited work in the field, devoting one-third of its treatment each to Scotland, Ulster, and America; this is an original and academic, but accessible volume. Linehan, John C. 1902. The Irish Scots and the "Scotch-Irish": A Historical and Ethnological Monograph. Concord, N.H.: American-Irish Historical Society. 138 pp. Reprinted in 2005 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. (paperback, ISBN 080635139X) Emphasizes that Scotch-Irish Presbyterians and Irish Catholics and more on their cultural commonalities in literature, traditions, and otherwise. Miller, Kerby A. 1985. Emigrants in Exile: Ireland and the Irish Exodus to North America. New York: Oxford University Press. xiv + 684 pp. (hardback ISBN 0-19-503594-1, paperback ISBN 0-19-505184-4) Seminal work using emigrant letters to document and interpret emigration from Ireland to North America. Miller, Kerby, Bruce D. Boling, David N. Doyle, and Arnold Schrier, eds. 2003. Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America 1675-1815. New York: Oxford University Press. (hardback, ISBN 0 1950 45130; paperback, ISBN 0 1951 54894) A massive, scrupulously edited case studies of early emigrants from Ireland (most from Ulster), based on letters, petitions, and other documents from commoners and organized around major themes in social and economic history. Stephenson, Jean. 1917. Scotch-Irish migration to South Carolina, 1772. (Rev. William Martin and His Five Shiploads of Settlers). &#9612;Washington, D.C.� Reprinted in 2004 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. 137 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 8063 48321) Chronicles arrival in Charleston of settlers under leadership of Covenanter minister William Martin and their settlement in South Carolina. Weaver, Jack W, ed. 1981. Select Proceedings of the Scotch-Heritage Festival at Winthrop College. 107 pp. Volume 2 (1984), 115 pp. (available from the editor at 144 Brookwood Drive, Rock Hill, SC 29722) Papers from two public conferences on the Scotch=Irish held at Winthrop College, South Carolina, dealing with a wide variety of subject. Webb, James. 2004. Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America. New York: Broadway Books. (hardback, ISBN 0 7679 1688 3) Traces the Scotch-Irish from the Scottish and Ulster forebears, focusing in particular on their reputation as warriors and defenders of personal freedom and opposition to aristrocracy and crediting them with fundamental views on which the United States has developed. Wokeck, Marianne. 1999. Trade in Strangers: The Beginning of Mass Migration to North America. College Park, Pa.: Pennsylvania State University Press. Assesses the volume, character, and motivations for Ulster emigration to America. Items Published in the British Isles: Blake, J. W., ed. 1976. The Ulster American Connection: A Series of Lectures Delivered in the Autumn of 1976. Coleraine: New University of Ulster. 58 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 901299 31 8) Four lectures on Ulster-American connections delivered to mark the American bi-centennial. Cromie, Howard. 1984. Ulster Settlers in America. Belfast: Irish Mission Publications. 67 pp. (paperback, ISBN not available) Popular treatment of the contribution of Ulster emigrants to American colonial society, especially in the development of Presbyterianism. Dickson, R. J. 1987. Ulster Migraton to Colonial America. Belfast: Ulster Historical Foundation. xxiv + 320 pp. (paperback, ISBN 901 905 17 8) An academic work combining detailed investigation of the economic, social and political background of Ulster emigration with information on trade and an analysis of the motivations and origins of the emigrants themselves. Doyle, David N. 1982. Ireland, Irishmen and Revolutionary America 1760-1820. Dublin: Mercier. xix + 257 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 85342 590 6) Ground-breaking study of 18th-century emigration to America, focusing in particular on participation of emigrants from Ulster and elsewhere in Ireland on the struggle for American independence. Fitzpatrick, Rory. 1989. God's Frontiersmen: The Scots-Irish Epic. London: Weidenfeld and Nicolson. viii + 296 pp. (hardback, ISBN 0 297 79435 3) Well-illustrated companion volume to Ulster Television/Channel 4 series chronicling migration of Ulster settlers to America and elsewhere, drawing extensively on letters and other documents. Green, E. R. R., ed. 1992. Essays in Scotch-Irish History. Belfast: Ulster Historical Foundation. (paperback, ISBN 0 901 905 53 4) Hanna, Ronnie. 1992. Land of the Free: Ulster and the American Revolution. Belfast: Ulster Society. xii + 115 pp. (paperback, ISBN 1 872076 11 4) Chronicles Ulster emigration to America in the 18th century and participation by Ulster emigrants in the American Revolution. Hanna, Ronnie. 1996. The Highest Call: Ulster and the American Presidency. Belfast: Ulster Society. viii + 64 pp. (paperback, ISBN 1 872076 25 4) Collection of short, popular biographies of American Presidents who had Ulster emigrant ancestors; each accounts identifies the emigrant, locates each emigrant, describes the community from which he or they left, and idenfities whether an ancestral homesite has been identified and maintained. Kennedy, Billy. 1995. The Scots-Irish in the Hills of Tennessee. Belfast: Ambassador, copublished in Greenville, South Carolina, by Emerald Press. (paperback, ISBN 1 898787 46 8) (the author has a number of subsequent titles with similar content on Ulster emigrants to the U.S., including The Scots-Irish in the Shenandoah Valley, The Scots-Irish in Pennsylvania and Kentucky, The Scots-Irish in the Carolinas, and Women of the Frontier) Marshall, W. F. 1943. Ulster Sails West: The Story of the Great Emigration from Ulster to North America in the 18th Century, Together with an Outline of the Part Played by Ulstermen in Building the United State. Belfast. Reprinted in 1984 by Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore. 80 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 8063 0754 4) First account published in Northern Ireland of "Ulster's mark on America," emphasizing contributions of Ulster emigrants to colonial and Revolutionary America. Montgomery, Eric. 1965. Ulster and the Scotch-Irish. Belfast: Ulster-Scot Historical Society, 32 pp. Outlines purposes of the Ulster-Scot Historical Society and promoting historical and genealogical research on Scotch-Irish emigrants to America. Montgomery, Michael, and Anne Smyth, ed. 2003. A Blad of Ulster-Scotch frae Ullans: Ulster-Scots Culture, Language, and Writing. Belfast: Ullans. 229 pp. (paperback, ISBN 0 953035 08 5) Forty revised articles from Ullans: The Magazine for Ulster-Scots, including items on music and dance, sports, names, vocabulary, literature, and many other subjects. Paisley, Ian R. K. 1976. America's Debt to Ulster. Belfast: Puritan. xx + 75 pp. (paperback, ISBN not available) Discusses contributions fo Ulster emigrants to American character and political development, written in connection with the American bi-centennial. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

That sure sounds like a great conference and wonder if anyone is going?? We will be in Ireland and hope someone can go and take GOOD notes and pass all the good information back to the list. Look forward to hearing all about it and hope there is some new information and how-tos. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V05 #87 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.4 - Release Date: 4/27/05

Cushkaren@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the information about the conference. For those of us > unable to attend, do you know if there will be printed materials > available? > Karen Hart Anthony There is a website here:- www.scotch-irishcentral.org/Symposium%202005.html

25 April 2005 For those Ulster Scots/Scotch-Irish in North America I just got the notice from the Center for Scotch-Irish Studies/Scotch-Irish Society of the USA about their two-yearly educational symposium in Philadelphia on 3rd and 4th June 2005. If you can make it this is a very useful conference. The lecture/discussion topics this year will include the development of introductory material on the history and culture of the Scotch-Irish, suitable for elementary and high school students and for others who are not familiar with these topics. This discussion will be titled "Introducing the Scotch-Irish to Young People". There will also be discussions on the Scottish Enlightenment and Ulster Presbyterianism and the effect this had on American Political Thought, with titles like "Pre-Famine Protestant, Post-Famine Catholic, Do Emigrants' Letters Reflect the Stereotypes", and "Presbyterianism as a Cultural Marker, Covenanters and the Scotch-Irish" and Radical Thought in America - Ulster Presbyterian Influences". There will also be a lecture on "Flaxseed and Emigrants, Origins of Philadelphia's Trade with Ulster". As far as I know this is open to anyone (even I plan to attend). The cost is $100 for Friday evening (including dinner) and all day Saturday(including lunch) if you pay before 19th May. You can also stay on for dinner on Saturday evening (but you have to pay extra for the meal). In addition the hotel bill (its the Airport Ramada at $75 a night) is your own responsibility. I plan to drive down on Friday and stay Friday night, returning home after dinner on Saturday night (if that means anything). If anyone is interested in attending you can contact cntrsis@aol.com or if you know him, contact Harry Alexander. Never Surrender Frank ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Don't forget to support the Craighalbert Charity. Pay a visit to the website and buy a ticket. http://www.stegz.com/craighalbert/ Details of the prizes are on the above site. Please be generous, these kids need our help. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Yahoo! Groups Links* * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/UnitedWeStand1873/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: UnitedWeStand1873-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:UnitedWeStand1873-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.

After much searching, I have found Linda Merle's previous post about the surnames listed in Ms. Agnew's book "Belfast Merchants in the Seventeenth Century". (Feb 2000) Diane Klopp Linda Merle wrote: Hi, I was for the names of these Belfast Merchant families that are studied in "Belfast Merchant Families in the Seventeenth Century" by Jean Agnew, Four Courts Press 1996 (new book -- in print -- try www.bookshop.co.uk not Ulster Books -- books out of print or second hand). The names of the Belfast freemen's roll -- they are 20% -- is printed in R M Young "The town book of the corporation of Belfast (Belfast, 1982) and also is in LDS, I believe (not the book). Ethnic breakdown: 22 Scottish, 4 English, one Old English (Dobbin), one from Low Countries -- Thompson. Ten came before 1641, 8 between 1641 and 1660, 14 after the Restoration. Profiles of senior members are from Belfast burgesses and sovereigns (in Young, above), Belfast freemen (ibid), Gravestone inscriptions, ed R S J Clarke, 13 Vols, Dublin, 1892-1934; Hearth money rolls, High sheriffs of Co Antrim, High sheriffs of Co Down -- Montgomery MS's by George Hill (extracted in Hanna "The Scotch Irish"), Members of Parliament (Journals of the house of commons of the kingdom of Ireland, Dublin, 1763), various bonds, marriage licenses in PRONI, Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian church, Alumni Dublinenses 1593- 1860, Betham's will pedigress (in PRONI and LDS), Tenison Groves (PRONI and LDS). ANDERSON, WIlliam, Presbyterian, from Stobcross, Glasgow. Associated names: MARTIN, McCARTNEY, LOCKHART, THETFORD, CRAFORD, KNOX, CHALMERS. BIGGAR - probably Irvine, Aryrshire. Associated with NEVIN, STEWART, LENNOX, LOCKHART, McCARTNEY, GALT BLACK, associated with POTTINGER, ECCLES,BYRES, BANKS, ARBUCKLE, LUTWIDGE, COATES, JONES, BOYD BRICE: ANDERSON, CADELL,BERESFORD, MAXWELL, KENNEDY, DAWSON, CONYNGHAM, SHAW, ROWLEY, LENNOX, LANGFORD, DOBBS, STEWART, RYVES, KNOX, BROWN, INNIS, ROBINSON, BUTLE/BUTTLE -- in Antrim since 1615. CONINGHAM, PEACOCK, UPTON, KENNEDY, CLEMENTS, BUTHILL, UPTON, STAPLES, STEWART, CAMPBELL, ORR (of Clough) CHADS -- RINGLAND, JOY, THETFORDS, GARNETT, RICHARDSON, KNOX, CHRISTIAN CHALMERS/CHAMBERS probably from Ayrshire -- KENNEDY, SHAW, CRAFORD, ANDERSON, MACARTNEY, HAMILTON, McQUILLY, HENDERSON, ORR, INGLES, HAMILTON, LOCKHART, ECCLES, SMITH RAINEY <from here on just noting new names -- as you can see, these guys intermarried a lot> CLOGSTON -- probably from Wigtown, Scotland. AITKINS, MILLIKINE, CRAFORD - NEILL, BLOW, McNEILL, DIXON, CRYMBLE, HADDOCK, McGOWN, McCULOUGH, WHYTE MILLS, NEILSON DOAKE -- same names DOBBIN -- from old English family of Carrickfergus -- armigerous (they had arms, they got written up in visitations, etc). WARING, JONES, BUNBURY, FRANCIS, RIGBY, O'CAHAN (O'KANE), MORRIS, GRINDELL, McMANUS, SAVAGE, SHARMAN, WELBY, GIBBONS, SOUTH, EDGAR, MONTGOMERY, FAITH, REYNELLS. ECCLES from Kildonan, Arye. MOORE, LEATHES, ADAMS, YARNER, STONE, BRYAN, WOOLLEY, HALL (of Dublin), DISNEY of Stabonon, Co Louth, WISEMAN, KER, BEST, LANE, STOKER, KIRKPATRICK, LEESON, WESTGARTH, PARSONS, CHRISTIAN, BARR, SHAEN, NILLSON, NORRIS (dau of Tobias in Co Down -- in IGI ) LETTICE, McDOUGHAL, ORMSBY KNOX from Glasgow. ECHLIN, SPANG, BUCHANAN, KEITH, HAY, MORRISON,HODGKINSON, DONALDSON, McMINN LEATHES -- from Cumberland -- GRAY, BYRTT, CARPENTER< HEWETSON, ROBERTSON, McFERRAN, JOHNSTON, MUSSENDEN, MATTHEWS, WHITE CLOSE, WARING, OLPHERT, RAWDON, TANDY, ROMA or ROMANO. LENNOX from Londonderry -- armigerous Scottish family. Conyngham, POPE, HILLHOUSE, BROOKE, CADELL, BELL, McCARTNEY from Auchinleck, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. CALDERWOOD, IREBY, CUFFE, AUNGIER, HENRY, PORTER, SOUTH, DEVENISH, CALWELL, FERGUSON, DAVIES, VESEY, DOUGLAS, HALTRIDGE, READ, COLLYER, SLOANE, BLACKWOOD, MILLBURN, HORNBY, HILL, MORTON, CROMIE, STEVENSON, JERVIS WALSH MARTIN - 8 sons! TOMB, SHANNON (wife's sister married James, parents of Samuel Shannon, presbyterian minister at Portaferry), MERVYN, CARNEY (Ulster King of Arms), WALLIS (ditto), HARDIE MOORE -- WHITEHEAD, RAE, BLAIR (Brice Blair was executor of will), RAMSEY (apprentice) NEVIN -- RITCHIE, AGNEW, SPOTTSWOOD, CALDERWOOD, RITCHART POTTINGER from Kirkwall, Orkney -- DUNLOP, TRAILL, BURROWES, TOLLEY RAINEY from Ayrshire (third generation) -- McCORMICK or McCONVILLE, EWING, VANCE, McKIBBON, HUTCHINSON, ASH SLOANE -- from Killyleagh, Co Down, Scottish, FLOWLER, ANNESLEY, HICKS, BAILIE, RUMBOLD, ELSMERE SMITH from Glasgow (many already mentioned names) THEAKER -- armergous English family - ARUNDELL THETFORD -- FORSTER, GURNER, LEWIS, MAGEE (executor), GARNETT, NICHOLAS, ROGERS, DOWDALL, NEGANS THOMPSON -- from lower Germany, naturalized 1624. FOSTER WARING -- WESTNERA, GREEN, PEERS, GARDINER, ROADS, WORKEMAN, WHITE/WHYTE -- from Yorkshire or Scotland -- CARMICHEL, McCULLUM, CLARKE, McCRACKEN, BALLAGH, CARY, STRONG. Note: NOT the famous Anglo-English family that settled in Down and remained Catholic to this day. YOUNG -- WALLACE, PARK, STURGEON These families are all 17th century -- 1600's. They intermarried with gentry all over Ireland. Much of Mz Angew's work was with wills and deeds. The first two vols of deeds (I think...it is early...) are on line at www.familytreemaker.com 's subscription library but also in many genealogy libraries.

* The Scots-Irish in Appalachia* *By Alister McReynolds* *Scott Nicholson is a novelist and journalist who works on a weekly newspaper and lives in the town of Boone which nestles within the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina. He's the author of best-selling Appalachian Gothic thrillers - The Harvest, The Manor and The Red Church. Scott Nicholson studied creative writing at the University of North Carolina and also at Appalachian State University.* In 2003 Scott Nicholson wrote an article about the friends and neighbours who helped to focus his thinking, his imagination and the cadences and rhythms of his style of writing. This journalistic piece was entitled "The Scots-Irish in Appalachia". In this article Nicholson notes that this particular group have had an influence in the Appalachian mountains particularly "on the culture that goes beyond kilts and bagpipes. "He quotes our own Billy Kennedy as an authority on the scale and causes of the Ulster-Scots phenomenal emigration and notes that, "a famine in Ireland around 1740," caused an emigration push. Famine is or course more often associated with the Southern Irish emigration experience yet it was a real enough factor for the Scots-Irish as was the fear of attack within the physical landscape of Ulster in the early 18th century. In common with other Appalachian/Scots Irish novelists and including here the work of Charles Frazier, whose blockbuster Cold Mountain was set in these same hills, this sense of threat in an otherwise bucolic and peaceful landscape is disturbingly pervasive. So in Nicholson's novel The Harvest - we see this typically described in the passage - "She turned into their driveway and pushed the nagging thought - sound from her mind. Happy, happy thoughts. The house was neat, cedar planked and stained clear, with redwood trim. No garage, but they had three bedrooms and two baths. An ordinary home where nothing bad could happen." As to the choice of the Appalachian Mountains as a heartland for the Ulster folk, Nicholson quotes the distaste of the immigrants for English colonial government and notes that the sparsely - settled Southern Appalachians served their purposes well. However, he points to something at once more fanciful and in every sense deeper when he observes that "some geologic evidence suggests that Appalachia is part of an ancient mountain chain that runs through the Northern United Kingdom". Personally I've never been very sure about this kind of fatalistic coincidence and tend to believe on a more pragmatic level in the 'push and pullforces' of the particular time as having had more significant impact. Scott Nicholson goes on to characterize the stereotypical Ulster-Scot as having "a rather severe and stubborn reputation" and adds that, "church and education were heavily entwined". He observes that this provides the basis for the Baptist and Methodist faiths of today although he adds a rider that they also brought a "talent for making corn whiskey to go along with their distaste for government, which lives on in the unfortunate stereotype of the paranoid hillbilly". In The Harvest Nicholson treats this latter type with humour when he contrasts them with the people that he mixed with at the University of North Carolina - "there people gathered in coffee houses and bars and discussed Sartre and Pollock, Camus and Marxism. Here they drink liquor from Dixie cups in the Moose Lodge parking lot and talk about Hubcaps". One senses that Nicholson feels that the latter group are in many ways more real than the coffee house chattering class types. As with Charles Frazier, Nicholson sees music as being a major influence being with the fiddle and the imported lilting Appalachian style of playing which has its foundation in the Irish and Scottish reels.If you enjoy that kind of psycho-thriller novel then as an Ulster-Scot you might find that you have considerable empathy and that there is much that you relate to in the world of Scott Nicholson's novels. On another level as sheer escapism they're pretty enjoyable!

* Rachel (Donelson) Jackson - frontier woman and President's wife* *Billy Kennedy *reports on the trials and tribulations on the 18th century Tennessee frontier. *The extreme harshness of the American frontier during the late 18th century made life very difficult for women young and old as they struggled to keep pace with the enormous challenges encountered by their men-folk in what was a wooded and mountainous wilderness.* Rachel Donelson, who later became the wife of the seventh United States President Andrew Jackson, was only 12 when she and members of her family and Scots-Irish associates embarked on one of the most daunting and perilous journeys in America's early history. For a girl as young, intelligent and lively as the dark-haired Rachel, the arduous and highly dangerous Holston River voyage to the Cumberland River in Middle Tennessee region obviously left a lasting impression and the harrowing experience was indeed character-building for the numerous personal trials she was to face later in her life. Rachel (Donelson) Jackson was born in 1767 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia after her Ulster parents had moved there from the eastern side of the state where they were married. John Donelson, Rachel's father, was a land-owner and huntsman / surveyor in Virginia and North Carolina who became a leader of the Watauga community which settled during the 1770s on the Holston River of what today is North East Tennessee. The Wataugans, led by another Scots-Irishman James Robertson were a hardy, tough breed of people who had the insatiable urge to keep pushing the frontier westwards to new settlements, across the Allegheny Mountains - even against the advice of British land agents who feared the inevitable conflict with the native American tribes. In that region, the tribes were Cherokees and Chickasaws. John Donelson and James Robertson combined with a North Carolina lawyer and agent Richard Henderson to make an assault on new lands on the Cumberland River several hundred miles west. The plans were first prepared in 1777 and Robertson led an exploratory team there over a two-year period before the decision was taken to move. A 3,000-acre land grant was negotiated with Richard Henderson and arrangements were made for the movement of these families who were prepared to risk all to start a new life in a far-distant rugged wilderness. The journey was split with James Robertson assigned to led 200 men and boys with their animals (horses, cows, pigs, sheep) and other belongings on the Kentucky route, along the Wilderness Road and through the Cumberland Gap. John Donelson, with the welfare of his wife Rachel and young daughter Rachel and his nine other children uppermost in his thoughts, led, with male comrades, the 400 women and children on a flotilla of flat boats from Fort Patrick Henry along the Holston River to the Cumberland River and the new settlement of Fort Nashborough, later to be named Nashville. River travel, because of the obvious dangers of attack from Indians, was not a favoured mode of communication in that part of the Appalachian frontier, but the Wataugan people felt there was no other option. It was an extremely cold winter - said to be the coldest in living memory in North Carolina and the Tennessee territory with the deep snow and frozen rivers making the journey for both parties extremely hazardous, but with dogged determination they persevered and by Christmas week of 1779 Robertson and his men had arrived. They were worn out by the rigours of the journey, but began almost immediately to erect log cabins and clear stretches of land for the arrival of John Donelson and the families in the spring. The Cumberland River was frozen over and the animal stock had to be driven across rock solid ice. The Donelson-piloted party moved in an armada of 40 small flat boats and canoes, moving slowly along the Holston River. The largest boat, Adventure, had 30 families on board, including James Robertson's wife Charlotte and five children and John Donelson's own family, wife Rachel and children including young Rachel. It was a journey into the unknown for the families; along unchartered waters, over dangerous shoals, rapids and falls; through territory occupied by hostile Indian tribes and in conditions well below zero temperature. After only three miles the voyage was halted; ice and snow and cold had set in and the frozen river made progress impossible. There was no movement until mid-February, and when the boats were eventually cut loose, they were hampered again by the swell of the river due to incessant heavy rain. Several boats sank and some of the voyagers took ill from smallpox and died. As they passed the Chickamauga Indian settlements the boats came under attack from tribesmen massed on the shore. There were casualties on both sides, with settlers countering the Indian assaults with sniper fire from their long Kentucky rifles. Most of the boats got through, beyond the danger points, and by the beginning of spring they were at the mouth of the Tennessee River and the high water of the Ohio River. They faced difficult upstream currents and progress was further hampered, when they had to stop and make camp to replenish dwindling food supplies by hunting buffalo and bear in the woods. The last lap of the journey came via the Cumberland River and on Monday April 24 when the party reached French Salt Lick, site of present-day down-town Nashville, there was a hearty welcome from James Robertson and his men who had prepared well for the arrival. When they reached Fort Nashborough in 1780, John Donelson settled his family on fertile bottom land, a few miles from the fort, but this was dangerous territory and with a scarcity of grain and food for the winter, they moved to a more settled area at Harrodsburg, Kentucky in the fall (autumn) of that year. In 1785, Rachel, in her 18th year, married Lewis Robards, from Mercer County, Kentucky. But it was a relationship which lasted only a few years and Rachel returned to be with her mother, who had moved back to live near Nashville after the murder of her husband in 1786 by persons unknown on the road between Nashville and Kentucky. The death of John Donelson was a severe blow to his family and it was at her mother's home that Rachel met a young lawyer from North Carolina, Andrew Jackson, who was staying as a boarding guest. Jackson was the son of Ulster emigrants who left Carrickfergus in 1765. The friendship developed and in August, 1791 the pair were married at Natchez, but the marriage to Lewis Robards was never officially wound up which meant Rachel had unwittingly committed bigamy when she wed Jackson. Robards had filed divorce proceedings to the Virginia legislature, but dropped these without telling Rachel and it was an inconclusive arrangement that was to haunt Mrs Jackson in later years. By September 1793, Robards did manage to get his divorce, after charging that it was his wife who had deserted him and was living an "adulterous relationship" with another man. The charge was not contested, and Rachel and Andrew went through another marriage ceremony, quietly in Nashville in January, 1794. Rachel came with a settlement of her late father's estate, which included household articles valued $433.33 and two black slaves. The couple had no children, but they had a very happy 37-year marriage, even though the last few years were marred by allegations from political opponents of Andrew over the legality of their marriage after Rachel's break-up with Robards. During the early years of the marriage, Andrew Jackson was a lawyer, circuit judge, land speculator, farmer and businessman. He later moved into politics, was a soldier of national renown especially for his victory over the British at the Battle of New Orleans in 1815 and, eventually, he became President, serving two terms in Washington from 1828 to 1836. From a life as a child and teenager in the harsh Tennessee and Kentucky frontier wilderness, Rachel's personal circumstances improved immeasurably and in the several large plantation homes where they lived, her role was more supervisory of the housekeeping duties which were carried out by the slaves. She hosted regular gatherings for members of the large family circle and Jackson's political and business friends, but she fretted much over her husband's long absences from home, due to his exploits as a soldier and politician. In 1808, they adopted one of twin sons born to her sister-in-law Elizabeth Donelson and eventually Andrew Jackson Jr. was made President Jackson's heir. Tragically, Rachel Jackson died a few weeks after Andrew was elected for his first four-year term as President. It came soon after the death of another adopted child, 16-year-old Indian son Lyncoya. Devastated, Rachel's condition deteriorated on learning of the vicious accusations of 'bigamy and adultery', made against her during the Presidential campaign of 1828. Rachel was heartbroken that she should be targeted in his way and, within a few weeks, her physical and mental condition had considerably worsened. Although Andrew tried frantically to revive her, she died on December 22, 1828. She was buried in the garden of their Hermitage estate outside Nashville on Christmas Eve. Among the pall-bearers at the funeral was Sam Houston, then Governor of Tennessee, a close associate of Andrew Jackson and another with Co Antrim roots. For several days, the incoming President was inconsolable and he told his aides that 'a loss so great can be compensated by no earthly gift.' He had to prepare for the trip to Washington, to begin his Presidency, but until the day he died in 1845, Andrew grieved for a wife who was so close and dear to him. Andrew's love for his wife, over thirty seven years of marriage, was evident by the inscription he placed on Rachel's tomb. It was said he kept his pistols polished and in condition for instant use against anyone who cash a shadow of discredit or doubt on the honour of the woman he loved with 'such single-minded, fierce and gentle devotion. 'The inscription on Rachel's tombstone read: 'Here lies the remains of Mrs Rachel Jackson, wife of President Jackson, who died 22nd December, 1828, aged 61. Her face was fair; her person pleasing, her temper amiable and her heart kind.' Women of the Frontier by Billy Kennedy. Published by Ambassador International, Ardenlee Street, Belfast BT6 8QJ and 427 Wadehampton Boulevard, Greenville, South Carolina 29609. £9.99 and $15. Website: www.emeraldhouse.com <http://www.emeraldhouse.com/>.

* Ulster-Scots heritage tour forming* *Cultural tourism is coming to Northern Ireland this summer. The Ulster-Scots Society of America is organising an Ulster-Scots heritage tour set for this July. Tour organiser Glen Pratt, from Texas, says this trip will differ from the typical holiday to Northern Ireland. * "We are planning a heritage tour that is focused on the Scots-Irish/Ulster-Scots culture and its connection to America. As far as I know, this is the first tour of this kind," says Glen. "This is a heritage tour specifically organised around Ulster-Scots history. It is made for us in mind. It is totally unique. It will be punctuated with lectures, cultural exhibitions, music, dance, traditional language, and contact with local Ulster-Scots heritage groups. Along the way, we will see some gorgeous countryside, have a chance to shop, relax, have some free time, and get a chance to know the beautiful land and wonderful people of Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland is so unique. You get both Scotland and Ireland together in one place." Genealogical research will also be an important aspect of the tour. Pratt is communicating with the Ulster-Scots Agency and groups like the Schomberg Society in Kilkeel to organise presentations on a variety of Ulster-Scots topics that will give the group unique insights into Northern Ireland and its heritage. If you have a local Ulster-Scots heritage group that would like to meet with the tour, contact Glen Pratt. The tour begins the first week-end in July with visits to sites in the Belfast area including a city tour, Carrickfergus Castle, the Andrew Jackson cottage, the murals, the Irish Linen Center, and other sites close by. The group will then move up the coast viewing the Glens of Antrim, Giant's Causeway, Bushmills Distillery, Woodrow Wilson ancestral home, Gray's Print Shop, and the Walls of Londonderry. After travelling through Donegal, a full day is set aside for the Ulster-American Folk Park. The tour will then be based in the Mournes on the Co Down coast. Kilkeel's Reivers Festival is to be a centerpiece of the tour. Here, the group will attend festival activities including a World War II big band dance in honor of the Americans, a special outdoor worship service, and the Eleventh Night street pageant and bonfire. They will also see local natural sites, historical re-enactors, the 17th-century clachan 'Hanna's Close', and tour the Boyne Battlefield. The group will attend the Belfast Twelfth parade and the procession at Scarva. Full trip details are available at www.ulsterscotssociety.com <http://www.ulsterscotssociety.com/>. "We feel really privileged to see these people come over, especially in light of the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II and the spirit of how Americans worked with us from 1942-45," says Maynard Hanna, of the Schomberg Society in Kilkeel. Glen Pratt's grandfather was one of the thousands of Americans stationed near Kilkeel during World War II. According to Glen, the genesis of the tour was his attendance of the Reivers Festival in Kilkeel last July at the invitation of Maynard Hanna. "I had such an incredible experience here getting to know the people and discovering the cultural connections between our two countries that I want to share it with others. I felt right at home. It was uncanny." Maynard Hanna notes that Kilkeel's connections with America go back a long way. "This demonstrates the potential economic impact cultural tourism can have on Northern Ireland. It has an unlimited potential just begging to be tapped and the rewards for both us here at home and the visiting Americans are enormous," says Maynard. ÒWe need to be doing everything we can to encourage this kind of vital activity. We stand ready to do our part. We canÕt wait to see them come." "Ultimately, I would like to see two-way heritage travel with visitors coming to see Ulster-Scots sites and events here in the U.S. and meeting their American cousins of Ulster-Scots descent," says Glen. He points out that the tour is open to visitors from Scotland, England, Ireland, and elsewhere.

The Dromore and Banbridge birth records on my website has been updated, Loughbrickland birth records will be updated in a few days time. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/05

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