Linda: You need to see a podiatrist for your ailment. Gordon

WOW! Haven't seen a dust-up like this for quite a while -- really takes me back! Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] No More on Britons and the Scotch-Irish > Linda, > > I think you have made yourself perfectly clear and those of us like > myself, > who have appreciated the work you have done on this list for several years > now, do not need any more convincing that you are correct. So do not feel > the need to respond or say anything further on the matter of what is and > is > not off list. > > It is your judgement and there are always grey areas but if the boundaries > of genealogy are pushed too far then we all might as well start with a > study > of Adam and Eve. John should confine himself to his first topic: Early > Ulster Plantation Settlers. Give him his due however, to be so strident > and > so easily offended, he must, like myself, be a true Scotch-Irishman. > > As for "Cumbric" - Ulster says No! > > Regards, > > Boyd > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005

To change the topic: Does anyone have Dunbar relatives from Co. Mayo, and in particular from the Belmullet Peninsula? I have found there are not many Dunbars from that area, but that is where my Ggrandmother is from. Gerald

Thanks Linda for keep the list on topic. Bettye

I agree with one of the list-members this afternoon that squabbles on this list can be more fun! Up to a point, that is. Linda, I have learned so much from you, especially, and this list, and among that was that my Scottish GGp who came to Co. Louth for 7 years do not apply to the specifications for this listbut you gave me suggestions on how to find the information I wanted. That I have no idea where my Day/Odea line was from and that the Heards who came from Co. Tyrone are hard to find (the ancestor my family used to qualify for DAR was in the past few years as being the wrong brother of the family---haven't been able to puzzle that out) and my Butlers were, according to family records, from Dublin . So, really I don't have much claim to this list except that I enjoy especially the discussions on the different religions, and some of the "color". I get a lot of pleasure from some of the messages----simply delete others. But, Linda, as much as I enjoy your information, your knowledge, you do come on a bit strong sometimes and disregard that sometimes the writer considers his question appropriate for the list whether you do or not. Instead of chewing out this particular writer, rudely all but crawling through the air and strangling him, couldn't you have simply offered him help to start a new Rootsweb list for the subjects he (and apparently others who spoke up) is interested in? You could then refer some of the messages you find inappropriate to his website and be rid of the problem without raising the writer's ire. The "problem" message then could just disappear. It would save your patience. You read the riot act to those whose understanding of the purpose differs from your interpretation and by doing so prolong the strife that you hope to avoid. He is correct that you asked for people to get more active and send more messages and then blew up when he did just that. I don't know if it was an old Irish, excuse me, Scotch-Irish, saying but my Scottish (who called themselves "Scotch") ancestors said often, "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar". But who wants flies? Mary Lander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 12, 2005 05:02 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] No More on Britons and the Scotch-Irish > Linda, > > I think you have made yourself perfectly clear and those of us like myself, > who have appreciated the work you have done on this list for several years > now, do not need any more convincing that you are correct. So do not feel > the need to respond or say anything further on the matter of what is and is > not off list. > > It is your judgement and there are always grey areas but if the boundaries > of genealogy are pushed too far then we all might as well start with a study > of Adam and Eve. John should confine himself to his first topic: Early > Ulster Plantation Settlers. Give him his due however, to be so strident and > so easily offended, he must, like myself, be a true Scotch-Irishman. > > As for "Cumbric" - Ulster says No! > > Regards, > > Boyd >

John , You need some humility. You need to learn to take constructive comments in stride & not over react. Walt-Irish-MA-NJ-USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Patterson" <jwpatterson@verizon.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] More on Britons and the Scotch-Irish > Dear Linda, > > I have had some time to think about your message and I am sorry if my first > response, earlier today, implied that maybe I should move on. > > I appreciate the work that you do with the mailing list and the Ulster > research that you support and I expect that many other in the mailing list > do also. However, there are a few vital points that I would like to make > concerning your statements: > > [1] I was only responding to your earlier email that indicated that things > in the list were a little slow. Given the responses that I have received, > just today, in regard to my posting and with respect to your response, I > would say that I have supported your request to generate some activity > within the list. > > But, I was surprised by the immediate attempt at complete censorship. I > believe that you are the List Administrator; not the list owner or the > ecclesiastic authority concerned with ensuring the intellectual integrity of > the list. Rootsweb.com says that your responsibilities and limitations are > as follows: > > You are encouraged to: > > - Prompt discussions on your list when it is in a lull. > - Promote your list and encourage new subscribers. > - Assist users when necessary or possible. > - Intervene to resolve problems that are detrimental to your list. > - Gateway your list with allied message boards. > > You may not: > > - Change the overall focus/topic of the list. For example, you may not > change a list that focuses on a given surname to exclude all except those > from a specific lineage or region. You would need to request a second list > with those restrictions if such was your goal. > > - Close your list by unsubscribing everyone, or by refusing to allow anyone > to subscribe. > > - Archive your list anywhere other than RootsWeb without prior permission. > > [2] Regarding your suggestion that I find or start another list: I believe > the term Scotch-Irish first came to be used in the United States, not > Ulster. And I submit that anything regarding the culture, language, history > or background of the Scotch-Irish (regardless of location or origin) > qualifies for discussion in a Scotch-Irish forum or mailing list. > > You might like to request or adopt a mailing list named Ulster History, or > Northern Ireland Protestants, or limited focus descendants of Presbyterians > from the Counties of Northern Ireland. In those named forums your comments > might be appropriate. > > But in a "Scotch-Irish" forum, about any question about a subject that might > enhance the understanding of the Scotch-Irish people submitted by a member > who is struggling to learn WILL BE TOLERATED. > > [3] And finally, the use of the word tolerate in your email was unfortunate. > > >>>>A Scotch-Irish man/woman does not tolerate not being tolerated.<<< > > That should have been obvious in the 1600s, but was certainly unavoidably > clear to everyone in the Commonwealth by the late 1700s. > > I believe you intended the third definition of the word from the Oxford > English Dictionary: 3. To bear without repugnance, to allow intellectually, > or in taste, sentiment, or principle; to put up with. > > So, "will not be tolerated" must mean: Will not be born without repugnance > or will not be put up with. > > I certainly do not intend to be directed or not-tolerated by any > anglican-like authority. I will submit to the will of the list members; as > any good Scotch-Irish descendant would. But, I doubt, from the gender of my > most recent communications with some members in the Scotch-Irish list, that > limiting the subject of Scotch-Irish heritage to your boundaries is > necessary. > > Sincerely, > > John Patterson > Great Bridge, Virginia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:40 AM > To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Britons and Scotch-Irish > > Hi John and others, > > This list was formed many years ago for one purpose: to help us find the > origins of ancestors in Ulster. It's helped me a lot and I think we've all > helped one another. > > The topics you are studying are good ones and they help give you a sense of > the history. Without a notion of the history, you will miss clues or > misinterpret them. Hopefully, you are studying 'real history' and not the > foggy stuff meant to entertain. [The real history is what led to the > realization that Scot-Irish are British - not the English] > > But this stuff here is off topic: > >>(2) Pattersons/Patersons in Cunningham (near Ayrshire) > > [These were two or three of the very first Scot-Irish settlers in the Ulster > Plantation!] > > Join a Scottish list to do research in Scotland. Not here. > > These are also off topic: > >>(3) The British Kingdoms of Strathclyde, Rheged and Gododdin > > [I thought it was fascinating that these Kingdoms and languages were part of > our heritage and most people don't know about them] > >>(4) And Cumbric (a Brythonic language related to Welsh) and an early >>language of "Cumbria" [possibly the language of the Scot-Irish before the > English tried to teach them to speak English and a mongrel form (Scots) > arose.] > >>Anyone interested in discussing / sharing information in these difficult >>areas of research feel free to contact me directly. We can post >>information that becomes interesting > > NOT HERE YOU DON'T. There's plenty of lists that would welcome it, but none > of your explorations of these areas will help our genealogy. So you'll have > to find some other lists (www.rootsweb.com) or start one yourself. It's not > too painful to do so. Highly recommended. Let us know if you do. However > Rootsweb says it's my job to keep us on track and that I will do. > > Especially, NO SCOTTISH POSTS. We've seen in the past that people have a > very difficult time grasping one of the basic principles of genealogy: > records are locale-based. Scotland is a different country from Ireland and > doing genealogy there (I DO A LOT both personally and professionally) is > DIFFERENT from research in Ireland (I do a lot there too, both ways). > You must read different books, take different courses and lurk on different > lists. NOT HERE. This is an Ulster centric list for researching Ulster and > its diaspora. It's a topic that is difficult to get your arms around. > > Time to end this post. I want to remind members that off topic posts will > not be tolerated. > > Linda Merle Scotch Irish Admin > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005

Dear Linda, I have had some time to think about your message and I am sorry if my first response, earlier today, implied that maybe I should move on. I appreciate the work that you do with the mailing list and the Ulster research that you support and I expect that many other in the mailing list do also. However, there are a few vital points that I would like to make concerning your statements: [1] I was only responding to your earlier email that indicated that things in the list were a little slow. Given the responses that I have received, just today, in regard to my posting and with respect to your response, I would say that I have supported your request to generate some activity within the list. But, I was surprised by the immediate attempt at complete censorship. I believe that you are the List Administrator; not the list owner or the ecclesiastic authority concerned with ensuring the intellectual integrity of the list. Rootsweb.com says that your responsibilities and limitations are as follows: You are encouraged to: - Prompt discussions on your list when it is in a lull. - Promote your list and encourage new subscribers. - Assist users when necessary or possible. - Intervene to resolve problems that are detrimental to your list. - Gateway your list with allied message boards. You may not: - Change the overall focus/topic of the list. For example, you may not change a list that focuses on a given surname to exclude all except those from a specific lineage or region. You would need to request a second list with those restrictions if such was your goal. - Close your list by unsubscribing everyone, or by refusing to allow anyone to subscribe. - Archive your list anywhere other than RootsWeb without prior permission. [2] Regarding your suggestion that I find or start another list: I believe the term Scotch-Irish first came to be used in the United States, not Ulster. And I submit that anything regarding the culture, language, history or background of the Scotch-Irish (regardless of location or origin) qualifies for discussion in a Scotch-Irish forum or mailing list. You might like to request or adopt a mailing list named Ulster History, or Northern Ireland Protestants, or limited focus descendants of Presbyterians from the Counties of Northern Ireland. In those named forums your comments might be appropriate. But in a "Scotch-Irish" forum, about any question about a subject that might enhance the understanding of the Scotch-Irish people submitted by a member who is struggling to learn WILL BE TOLERATED. [3] And finally, the use of the word tolerate in your email was unfortunate. >>>A Scotch-Irish man/woman does not tolerate not being tolerated.<<< That should have been obvious in the 1600s, but was certainly unavoidably clear to everyone in the Commonwealth by the late 1700s. I believe you intended the third definition of the word from the Oxford English Dictionary: 3. To bear without repugnance, to allow intellectually, or in taste, sentiment, or principle; to put up with. So, "will not be tolerated" must mean: Will not be born without repugnance or will not be put up with. I certainly do not intend to be directed or not-tolerated by any anglican-like authority. I will submit to the will of the list members; as any good Scotch-Irish descendant would. But, I doubt, from the gender of my most recent communications with some members in the Scotch-Irish list, that limiting the subject of Scotch-Irish heritage to your boundaries is necessary. Sincerely, John Patterson Great Bridge, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:40 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Britons and Scotch-Irish Hi John and others, This list was formed many years ago for one purpose: to help us find the origins of ancestors in Ulster. It's helped me a lot and I think we've all helped one another. The topics you are studying are good ones and they help give you a sense of the history. Without a notion of the history, you will miss clues or misinterpret them. Hopefully, you are studying 'real history' and not the foggy stuff meant to entertain. [The real history is what led to the realization that Scot-Irish are British - not the English] But this stuff here is off topic: >(2) Pattersons/Patersons in Cunningham (near Ayrshire) [These were two or three of the very first Scot-Irish settlers in the Ulster Plantation!] Join a Scottish list to do research in Scotland. Not here. These are also off topic: >(3) The British Kingdoms of Strathclyde, Rheged and Gododdin [I thought it was fascinating that these Kingdoms and languages were part of our heritage and most people don't know about them] >(4) And Cumbric (a Brythonic language related to Welsh) and an early >language of "Cumbria" [possibly the language of the Scot-Irish before the English tried to teach them to speak English and a mongrel form (Scots) arose.] >Anyone interested in discussing / sharing information in these difficult >areas of research feel free to contact me directly. We can post >information that becomes interesting NOT HERE YOU DON'T. There's plenty of lists that would welcome it, but none of your explorations of these areas will help our genealogy. So you'll have to find some other lists (www.rootsweb.com) or start one yourself. It's not too painful to do so. Highly recommended. Let us know if you do. However Rootsweb says it's my job to keep us on track and that I will do. Especially, NO SCOTTISH POSTS. We've seen in the past that people have a very difficult time grasping one of the basic principles of genealogy: records are locale-based. Scotland is a different country from Ireland and doing genealogy there (I DO A LOT both personally and professionally) is DIFFERENT from research in Ireland (I do a lot there too, both ways). You must read different books, take different courses and lurk on different lists. NOT HERE. This is an Ulster centric list for researching Ulster and its diaspora. It's a topic that is difficult to get your arms around. Time to end this post. I want to remind members that off topic posts will not be tolerated. Linda Merle Scotch Irish Admin ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Resending Hello All, I am planning a trip to Cambuslang and Larne in the fall and I am in need of some info on where to start my search for the following. > Can anyone help me? > > My grdfthr JOHN BARCLAY [ father, JOHN ?] married ELLEN REID [ father, PATRICK ?] in Larne Co. Antrim on May 26, 1896 then moved to Eastfield around 1900. > > My father WILLIAM BARCLAY was the youngest of seven, he married SARAH FISHER in Cambuslang Dec 26, 1941 and lived on Bothwell St., Cambuslang. > > SARAH'S father was ALLAN FISHER married MARGARET HARPER [died Jan. 2, 1917] > ALLAN'S father was WILLIAM FISHER m. MARY ALLAN > > MARY ALLAN'S father was JOHN ALLAN m. NANCY ? > > MARGARET'S father was JOHN HARPER m. EDEMONT McCORMACK [who was also married to JOHN WYNN ] > > EDEMONT'S father was WILLIAM McCORMACK M. MARGARET BOWMAN > > As you can see I don't have a lot on JOHN and ELLEN as they were from Ireland. > > thank you > Robert Barclay > ----- Original >

John: I can't help you with your Patterson line off hand, but am interested in what you are doing. At present I am writing a history of the Crooks families of western Pennsylvania of which there appears there were four principal familes. They all came over from Ulster and Scotland is a fairly short period of time ( early 1700's). We don't know if they were related, knew each other of what. We do know that the move for some was pre-planed. I would be interested to hear anything you might have run across during your researches mentioning Crooks and am posting this on the web for anyone else who might be interested. At this point I have about 240 pages edited and ready to go to the printer and hope to finish the project by the end of June. Gordon Crooks glcrooks@bcpl.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Patterson" <jwpatterson@verizon.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:11 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Britons and Scotch-Irish >I recently returned from London where I got a host of guffaws when I > mentioned to some Englishmen that I was actually more "British" than they. > Of course, none of them were aware that (King) Arthur was a great (or > fabled) warrior who was an arch-enemy of the English, but think rather he > is > an English hero. > > > > Since I haven't been able to identify the Ulster county of origin of my > Pennsylvania Pattersons, I have been studying the following: > > > > (1) Early Ulster Plantation Settlers > > (2) Pattersons/Patersons in Cunningham (near Ayrshire) > > (3) The British Kingdoms of Strathclyde, Rheged and Gododdin > > (4) And Cumbric (a Brythonic language related to Welsh) and an early > language of "Cumbria" > > > > Anyone interested in discussing / sharing information in these difficult > areas of research fel\el free to contact me directly. We can post > information that becomes interesting. > > > > John Patterson > > Great Bridge, Virginia > > > > jwpatterson@verizon.net > > > >

Hi John and others, This list was formed many years ago for one purpose: to help us find the origins of ancestors in Ulster. It's helped me a lot and I think we've all helped one another. The topics you are studying are good ones and they help give you a sense of the history. Without a notion of the history, you will miss clues or mis interpret them. Hopefully you are studying 'real history' and not the foggy stuff meant to entertain. But this stuff here is off topic: >(2) Pattersons/Patersons in Cunningham (near Ayrshire) Join a Scottish list to do research in Scotland. Not here. These are also off topic: >(3) The British Kingdoms of Strathclyde, Rheged and Gododdin > >(4) And Cumbric (a Brythonic language related to Welsh) and an early >language of "Cumbria" >Anyone interested in discussing / sharing information in these difficult >areas of research fel\el free to contact me directly. We can post >information that becomes interesting NOT HERE YOU DON'T. There's plenty of lists that would welcome it, but none of your explorations of these areas will help our genealogy. So you'll have to find some other lists (www.rootsweb.com) or start one yourself. It's not too painful to do so. Highly recommended. Let us know if you do. However Rootsweb says it's my job to keep us on track and that I will do. Especially, NO SCOTTISH POSTS. We've seen in the past that people have a very difficult time grasping one of the basic principles of genealogy: records are locale-based. Scotland is a different country from Ireland and doing genealogy there (I DO A LOT both personally and professionally) is DIFFERENT from research in Ireland (I do a lot there too, both ways). You must read different books, take different courses and lurk on different lists. NOT HERE. This is an Ulster centric list for researching Ulster and its diaspora. It's a topic that is difficult to get your arms around. Time to end this post. I want to remind members that off topic posts will not be tolerated. Linda Merle Scotch Irish Admin ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I recently returned from London where I got a host of guffaws when I mentioned to some Englishmen that I was actually more "British" than they. Of course, none of them were aware that (King) Arthur was a great (or fabled) warrior who was an arch-enemy of the English, but think rather he is an English hero. Since I haven't been able to identify the Ulster county of origin of my Pennsylvania Pattersons, I have been studying the following: (1) Early Ulster Plantation Settlers (2) Pattersons/Patersons in Cunningham (near Ayrshire) (3) The British Kingdoms of Strathclyde, Rheged and Gododdin (4) And Cumbric (a Brythonic language related to Welsh) and an early language of "Cumbria" Anyone interested in discussing / sharing information in these difficult areas of research fel\el free to contact me directly. We can post information that becomes interesting. John Patterson Great Bridge, Virginia jwpatterson@verizon.net

In a message dated 6/10/05 8:04:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bbffrrpp@comcast.net writes: > Just wanted to remind people of the part of Boston which used to exist and > which was quite infamous: Scollay Square ! Oh, sure! Wasn't it a combo of red-light district and tough bars for the sailors and seamen? Ann

Hi Donna, Just wanted to remind people of the part of Boston which used to exist and which was quite infamous: Scollay Square ! Here is a brief history, which mentions William SCOLLAY of the 1790's: In what is today Government Center, near the traffic island at the intersection of Cambridge and Court Streets, the four-story building shown above stood during the latter part of the 18th century. In 1795 it was bought and named for its owner - William Scollay. Citizens, horse car and stagecoach drivers alike began to call the spot Scollay's Square, and by 1838 the city made the name that everyone was using anyway, official - and Scollay Square was born. (Courtesy of the Bostonian Society / Old State House) http://www.bambinomusical.com/Scollay/History.htm Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.C." <kinshipmatters@twmi.rr.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: Surname SCOLLAY > Hi everyone, > > Since the list is quiet, I thought I would throw out a name that may be > linked to my family - I just don't know how. Can anyone tell me if this is > an Irish/Scot name? From my grandma's things (she was a GETTY), I have an > original funeral card for a Goram SCOLLAY which reads, "In Loving > Remembrance of Goram Scollay, Died Feb. 7, 1889. Aged 18 years." > > My family landed up in Sanilac County, Michigan during that time. I have > all the census records available from AncestryPlus and I've visited > FamilySearch. This name is predominantly in Massachusetts and New York in > the earliest years. Anyone know anything? > > Regards, > > Donna > Michigan > > ______________________________

Hello Donna, The Scollays originate in the Scottish Islands, predominently Orkney and Shetland. They did not come to Ulster as far as I can see but emigrated directly to Boston in the 17th century. There is only only one recorded 19th century "Scoley" family in Limavady, County Londonderry in 1857. regards Robert _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk

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Hi Donna, >me if this is >an Irish/Scot name? There's a little over 20 miles between the two places. No matter what the name, people could go back and forth easily. Some went over for church. So I suggest you search for the people and forget the name origins. One way to get a bead on where people were fast is to go to www.familysearch.org and use IGI to determine where they were. IGI is great for Scots but not so good for Irish. So if the name doesn't seem to show up, could indicate it's largely found in Ireland. >Remembrance of Goram Scollay, Died Feb. 7, 1889. Aged 18 years." >My family landed up in Sanilac County, Michigan during that time. I have >all the census records available from AncestryPlus and I've visited >FamilySearch. This name is predominantly in Massachusetts and New York in >the earliest years. Anyone know anything? I'd use the census to determine when they came over. The later US censuses asked. The exact questions vary, but if I am recalling right the 1900 asked when they came over and if they were naturalized. This lets you then search for naturalization records. The censuses also asked where you and your parents were born. You should check ALL the censuses for the family. Sometimes they didnt' always give the same answer. If they manifested in Michigan, chances are good you will not find them in any US Passengerlist (I assume this is what you are wanting to find: the name of the ship and where they came from). The naturalization records (there are three types: you want the first papers) may give you the name of the ship as well as where they came from and when. It depends on when they came. The reason y ou may not find them on US Ship Lists is that they did what 1/3rd of all American immigrants did: They came through Canada. This was cheaper. Plus when you got here it cost you as little as a quarter to take a ferry over the lake (I'm generalizing of course). They got a special name for these people in Detroit: "Quarter Immigrants" I think. As I said 1/3rd of our ancestors did come through Canada so you can search ship records forever and you will not find them. Canada did not keep ship records until very late. No border crossings till about 1900. For more information, read the courses on immigration at www.genealogy.com/university.html. These courses are FREE and they are excellant. Naturalization research is a study in its own. You'll need to do some reading if you hope to succeed as folk could get naturalized in almost any court in the land. You search, search, and then you search some more. In your specific areas people mighta prefered a certain court. Around Detroit there's a massive collection in LDS with an index. My great grandparents also took the Canadian route and appeared in Michigan as if beamed down by a UFO. We did find them in England in the census where they said they'd come from and my father confirmed they also said they took the Maple Leaf Route. Good luck!! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi everyone, Since the list is quiet, I thought I would throw out a name that may be linked to my family - I just don't know how. Can anyone tell me if this is an Irish/Scot name? From my grandma's things (she was a GETTY), I have an original funeral card for a Goram SCOLLAY which reads, "In Loving Remembrance of Goram Scollay, Died Feb. 7, 1889. Aged 18 years." My family landed up in Sanilac County, Michigan during that time. I have all the census records available from AncestryPlus and I've visited FamilySearch. This name is predominantly in Massachusetts and New York in the earliest years. Anyone know anything? Regards, Donna Michigan

Hi folks, If you are reading this you are still on the Scotch Irish list. It like many lists, gets quiet in the summer. Meanwhile, some good news from the homeland of Ulster -- Navan Fort is being re-opened. As many of the people in western Scotland apparently descend from people in Ireland (speaking prehistorically and who knows what the latest DNA expose has uncovered. I speak in good faith <grin>). I really enjoyed Navan Fort when I visited. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4075872.stm If you are going on vacation, you may want to unsubscribe as otherwise your emailbox may fill up and then stop accepting emails. You'll miss some stuff you wanted, perhaps. If you get the Digest, read down under the table of contents. There's the directions to unsubscribe. If there's no directions there, you are getting the mail mode. If you get mail (each post is a separate mail), then send email to Scotch-Irish-l-request@rootsweb.com with only the word unsubscribe in it (spelled reasonably close). Then the software unsubs you. It's even stupider than I am, which is why you need to watch the spelling-part. If it can't unsub you, it'll send an email and tell you what to do next. You must follow its advice as no other humanoid but yourself knows of the problem: ie the software is actually an alien lifeform from Mars and the list admum (ME) hasn't been involved at all and is totally clueless, as usual. So nothing will happen to resolve the problem unless you do what it tells you to do (usually that's forward it to me). Meanwhile if anyone has anything remotely Scotch Irish but serious (to avoid serious squabbles), please let us hear from you. I have been focusing on attempting to complete a Never Ending Project that is not done yet. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I have just received a copy of a new book that fully lives up to the promise of its title -- "Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern Ulster, 1600-1800" by William J. Roulston. Dr. Roulston has crammed an amazing amount of information into a book of 260 pages. This is no broad overview of available sources in archives and libraries, but a detailed description of everything that might be relevant to the researcher. I'll try to send out a proper review in a few days. Perhaps some listers already have a copy and might want to share their impressions, too. The Ulster Historical Foundation published the book, with assistance from the Ulster Scots Agency to keep the price low. It is listed at 11.99 pounds Sterling, which even with the unfavorable exchange rate should be well under $25. You can contact the Ulster Historical Foundation for more information or to order your copy at enquiry@uhf.org.uk All the best, Richard MacMaster

I have added a list of Kilkeel and area R.C. marriages to my website. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com