Hello everyone. It was pointed out to me that I should post information that pertains to my family as well as the stuff that doesn't as someone out there might find it helps them and we might find a family connection. Please let me know if anyone recognises any of these individuals. Thanks! Sandra Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 07/08/1918 Husband Firstname JOHN Husband Surname NEWSAM Townland / Street NEWCASTLE Husband Occupation GROCER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Church of Ireland Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Father Firstname JOHN Father Surname NEWSAM Father Occupation FARMER Mother Firstname Mother Surname Witness Firstname CHARLES Witness Surname SMYTH Wife Firstname ELIZABETH W ife Surname NESBITT Townland / Street CARGAGH BALLYDUGAN Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Denomination Church of Ireland Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Father Firstname JAMES Father Surname NESBITT Father Occupation FARMER Mother Firstname Mother Surname Witness Firstname JANIE Witness Surname NEWSAM Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV J A POOLER. Street NEWCASTLE Church of Ireland Town DOWN Area KILCOO County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

These are my ancestors. I'm looking for any additional information or others who are researching the same line. If anyone recognises these individuals, please let me know. Thanks, Sandra ---------------------- Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 25/06/1852 Husband Firstname RICHARD Husband Surname PATTERSON Husband Townland / Street BALLYCLOUGHAN Husband Occupation Husband Age 21 Husband Denomination Presbyterian Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname HUGH Husband Father Surname PATTERSON Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname DAVID Husband Witness Surname MILLIKEN Wife Firstname CHARLOTTE W ife Surname MULHOLLAND Wife Townland / Street TULLYGIRVAN Wife Occupation MILLWORKER Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Presbyterian Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father Firstname ROBERT Wife Father Surname MULHOLLAND Wife Father Occupation FIELDS MANAGER Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness Firstname JAMES Wife Witness Surname MCWILLIAM Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV J MCCREDY. Street SAINTFIELD 2ND Presbyterian Town DOWN Area SAINTFIELD County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

I forwarded volume 5 issue 140 to a cousin because I he would be interested in the McNitt family information plus the links, but he the links would not work for him - apparently my browser converted to my system (Mac) and the forwarded messages with links would not work for him. Where can I tell him to find the archives for this message board so he can go to the original message? I checked the rootsweb home page, but couldn't find anything to do with this message board. Karolyn in Montana (another McNett descendent)

Not a problem Sandra. Here is the URL. Marybeth ============================== << http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jeanmccarthy36/old_marriage_records.htm?o_xid=0022468880&o_lid=0022468880>> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:19:11 -0700 From: "Sandra L More" <sandramore@sbcglobal.net> To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] marriage records from Co. Down 1756-1794 Hi Marybeth, Could you post the URL for that site? I didn't get the hyperlink but would like to check out the site. Thanks much, Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <ACMBJC@aol.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] marriage records from Co. Down 1756-1794 > The following link is taken from "Surname Search Daily - July 26-27, 2005" > at: > > <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> > > Good luck with all your family searches. > > Marybeth C. > =============================== > > << > > - Marriage register of the Presbyterian Congregation of > > Banbridge, County Down, 1756-1794 (Northern Ireland) > > >> >

Hi Karolyn, Go to www.rootsweb.com. Scroll down, find in the left column Mailing Lists. Click on the item Interactive search. Type in Scotch-Irish as the name of the list and click the button. All the other archives are there too. The SearchThingy on the main page (www.rootsweb.com -- eyes left..... at the top of the page under "Search Engines and Databases") may search the list archives too. Not sure. Rootsweb hosts thousands of lists. They don't all fit on the front page <grin>! best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Karolyn Simpson <simpsonkr@cybernet1.com> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 13:23:29 -0600 >I forwarded volume 5 issue 140 to a cousin because I he would be >interested in the McNitt family information plus the links, but he the >links would not work for him - apparently my browser converted to my >system (Mac) and the forwarded messages with links would not work for >him. Where can I tell him to find the archives for this message board so >he can go to the original message? I checked the rootsweb home page, but >couldn't find anything to do with this message board. >Karolyn in Montana (another McNett descendent) > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Marybeth, Could you post the URL for that site? I didn't get the hyperlink but would like to check out the site. Thanks much, Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <ACMBJC@aol.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: [Sc-Ir] marriage records from Co. Down 1756-1794 > The following link is taken from "Surname Search Daily - July 26-27, 2005" > at: > > <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> > > Good luck with all your family searches. > > Marybeth C. > =============================== > > << > > - Marriage register of the Presbyterian Congregation of > > Banbridge, County Down, 1756-1794 (Northern Ireland) > > >> > >

The following link is taken from "Surname Search Daily - July 26-27, 2005" at: <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> Good luck with all your family searches. Marybeth C. =============================== << - Marriage register of the Presbyterian Congregation of Banbridge, County Down, 1756-1794 (Northern Ireland) >>

Hi folks Came across this gold mine of archived data records which are on line (FREE) at the US National Archives go to http://aad.archives.gov/aad/title-list.jsp Then go to Subject ( just look at whats covered - incredible) select Irish then submit. Then click on the link for Records for passengers and interrogate as you wish for your people. Enjoy Brian Orr brian@orrnamestudy.com

Thanks for all the insights. Now I know why there is no record on the Alexander McNitts until they bought land at Palmer. Still trying to get something on them in Laggan, Donegal. Everyone in Ireland named Alexander, we assume the McNItts (McNaughts) went from Galloway, Scotland to Ireland, got out of there very fast -- even Boston was better. Charlie McNett

Hi folks, here's a website with much info on the settlement of Methodists from Ireland: http://www.leadersoftomorrowinstitute.com/indexz.html A few highlights: "The community to which the McCreerys emmigrated had become known in 1820 as Boyd's Settlement after one Samuel Boyd from Armagh who had been granted land (Lanark Con. XII Lot 2W) in 1820 along with other families including the Codes - who will later be seen to be part of my family as well. The settlers were Wesleyan Methodists and in short order they had their own church, school and cemetery at Boyd's. "Arrival at Boydís Settlement of the McCreery and Magee Family 1823 "What we know so far is that a cadre of Irish Methodists,led it would appear, by Sunday school teacher Samuel Boyd from Armagh and Thomas and Lancelot Jackson from Aghowle had congealed around the previously unsettled XIIth line of Lanark and the adjacent Ist Line of Ramsay in 1820. By 1821 or so they were building a school at the corner of the burying ground which became Boydís Methodist Cemetery. In 1822 the Warrens of Carlow (John Warren (Ramsay Con. II Lot 2) Benjamin Sheppard ( Ramsay Con. 1 Lot 2) and others who perhaps moved on shortly after arriving , had joined them. In an article from the Carleton Place paper in 1944 (see below), it is suggested that the settlers who arrived together in 1823 included McCreary's, Kinchís, Dowdall's, Warren's and Sheppard's. All of these families stayed, and became an extended family. " Much more info and other surnames. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi, Going to look at google. But it wasn't religion alone, the Alexander McNitt families arrived in Boston in 1720 and were not wanted because they were Irish -- from Laggan, Donegal. So they may have gone to Worcester to live, 50 houses on the frontier. Or they may have gone to southern New Hampshire to Nutfield, which was later changed to Londonderry, NH., in honor of the city back home. They finally settled in Palmer, where they became well established at last. Son Barnard's house is still standing. Charlie McNett In a message dated 8/4/2005 10:34:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, merle@mail.fea.net writes: Hi folks, This is a fairly common term in New England. Here's an article on it: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~pluralsm/98wrb/intro.htmFor more info [snipped] type www.google.com and then "Warning out". Press <return>. Read, read read. Best of luck! Linda Merle

Hi Charlie, > But it wasn't religion alone, Right! Being poor was avery common reason to be forced to leave. Also politically incorrect. Your McNitts sound like typical NE SI in their rovings. Many moved (after buying property as 'proper' citizens ) due to the religous hostility of the local puritans, or for various reasons. They didn't like living with the English Puritans (I'd have to agree with them there....). So they moved west and eventually formed towns of their own. This gave them the ability to 'vote in' a minister more to their liking as well as to form a community more like the ones they wanted to live in. Still many itinerated in a footloose fashion among the Scotch Irish towns of Western (and central) Massachusets. The Warnings Out are critical because if they did not own land it is difficult to 'find' them. They do not prove the person did leave the area -- many evaded being kicked out. Still they do prove the person was there. If the ancestor bought land, he's in the town land records. If he had children, then their births are recorded in the town. Searching for SI in NE relies heavily on aggregated databases of town records so you can find them. of course www.newenglandancestors.org is a key resource for this kinda research. > So they may have gone to Worcester to live, I live 5 miles from Worcester now. A local offered to show me where his ancestors helped tear down the meetinghouse the Presbyterians had built in the 1740s. One family was warned out of Worcester out after their dog did the doggie-thing with a hog. For this the poor Scotch Irish family was hauled before the town. The wife explained that he couldn't find a bitch (female dog) so for this the whole family was forced to leave town. This is recounted, I think, in Hanna "Scotch Irish" somewheres. Sort of illustrates when the ancestors had to deal with! WOrcester is currently one of the most dog unfriendly places I've ever known though apparently the local polizei are too busy chasing down gang murderers than enforcing town dog laws. I try not to go there often as I can't see paying sales taxes to cities that don't like dogs. >back home. They finally settled in Palmer, where they became well established >at last. Son Barnard's house is still standing. Hurray for Palmer! A real SI town, once, before it met the fate of the rest of Massachusetts: being overcome by incoming Irish, Swedish, and French Canadians in the 1800s. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

I took my own advice and did some more reading ....Here's the URL of a history of the town of Goff, NY, which apparently includes the names of people warned out http://www.usgennet.org/usa/nh/county/hillsborough/goffstown/book/ I didn't read the list -- not looking for anyone up in that thar neck of the woods. Joseph Smith (Mormon prophet) was warned out of NH: http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/making-prophet.html And I found a case where a woman was warned out of the sun by her dermatologist! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi folks, This is a fairly common term in New England. Here's an article on it: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~pluralsm/98wrb/intro.htm And part of a review of a book on Warnings Out in Rhode Island, reviewed in The William and Mary Quarterly. Full review here: www.wm.edu/oieahc/wmq/Jan02/HerndonJan02.pdf Volume LVIV, Number 1 William and Mary QuarterlyReviews of Books 2002, by the Omohundro Institute of Early American History and Culture Unwelcome Americans: Living on the Margin in Early New England. By Ruth Wallis Herndon. Early American Studies. (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 2001. Pp. xvi, 243. $49.95 cloth, $18.95 paper.) Between 1750 and 1800, Rhode Island towns warned out thousands of unwelcome transients. The warning out system, used throughout New England, provided the means whereby town officials ensured that transients did not become eligible for poor relief in whatever community they were passing through. The settlement laws determined who had the legal right of residence in a particular town and hence who would be supported by that town if they fell on hard times. This wasa system the colonists had brought with them from England, and for the most part, it ensured that everyone, pauper and property-holder alike, had some place where he or she “be! longed.” But in the increasingly mobile society of the late eighteenth century, the system became overburdened with large numbers of transients moving around New England in search of work, family, or opportunity. Town officials spent a considerable amount of time keeping track of transients, warning them out, and sending them back to their supposed hometowns should they appear likely to require poor relief. Ruth Wallis Herndon’s Unwelcome Americans casts new light on the lives of the transient poorin Rhode Island during the second half of the eighteenth century. Herndon begins her analysis with a statistical overview of the close to 2,000 persons warned out of Rhode Island towns between 1750 and 1800. The vast majority of transients were natives of Rhode Island or newcomers from neighboring colonies or states; a mere 3 percent had emigrated from the Old World. Poverty in eighteenth-century Rhode Island was very much a home-grown phenomenon. As today, so in the eighteenth cen! tury, poverty afflicted women and children disproportionately. Children figure prominently in the records, as do women and persons of color. Some two-thirds of the transients ...... ----- For more info type www.google.com and then "Warning out". Press <return>. Read, read read. Best of luck! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Thanks to Sandra for sharing! What does AGE FA mean? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra L More" <sandramore@sbcglobal.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 2:48 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Marriage - MINNIS, David & DIXON, Margaret, Antrim 1882 > Here is a marriage record I found while looking for my own Minnis family > member. Hope it helps someone. > > The information came from the Ulster Historical Foundations website: > http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ > > I figure if I'm going to pay them to look at 5 records, someone might as > well get use out of the ones that don't help me. Good luck! > > Sandra > ---------------- > Type Civil Marriages > Date Of Marriage 20/03/1882 > Husband Firstname DAVID > Husband Surname MINNIS > Husband Townland / Street BELFAST > Husband Occupation COACH DRIVER > Husband Age FA > Husband Denomination Church of Ireland > Husband Marital Status Widower (Male) > Husband Father Firstname GEORGE > Husband Father Surname MINNIS > Husband Father Occupation FARMER > Husband Mother Firstname > Husband Mother Surname > Husband Witness Firstname MARGARET > Husband Witness Surname BROWN > Wife Firstname MARGARET > Wife Surname DIXON > Wife Townland / Street BELFAST > Wife Occupation Wife > Age FA > Wife Denomination Church of Ireland > Wife Marital Status Widow (Female) > Wife Father Firstname WILLIAM > Wife Father Surname BRYANS > Wife Father Occupation CARPENTER > Wife Mother Firstname > Wife Mother Surname > Wife Witness Firstname ALEXANDER > Wife Witness Surname JOHNSTON > Denomination > Comment BY LICENCE REV J H DEACON. > Street TRINITY BELFAST Church of Ireland > Town BELFAST > Area SHANKILL > County CO ANTRIM > -- > Sandra L. More > more@unr.nevada.edu > sandramore@sbcglobal.net > -------------------------------------------- > Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your > heart. - Demophilus > > > > > >

One last one then I'm going to bed! UHF Database: http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Type Civil Marriages D ate Of Marriage 16/02/1921 Husband Firstname HENRY Husband Surname HARPER Husband Townland / Street CLONALLAN Husband Occupation FARMER Husband Age 21 Husband Denomination Presbyterian Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname JAMES Husband Father Surname HARPER Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname ROBERT Husband Witness Surname HEANEY Wife Firstname ELIZABETH Wife Surname NESBITT Wife Townland / Street SUMMERHILL WARRENPOINT Wife Occupation Wife Age 17 Wife Denomination Presbyterian Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father Firstname JAMES Wife Father Surname NESBITT Wife Father Occupation MOTOR AGENT Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness Firstname ISABEL Wife Witness Surname HARPER Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV J RUTHERFORD. Street KILKEEL MEETING HOUSE Presbyterian Town NEWRY & MOURNE Area KILKEEL County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your heart. - Demophilus

Another from UHF database: http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 05/04/1884 Husband Firstname WILLIAM Husband Surname SHANES Husband Townland / Street LURGAN Husband Occupation LABOURER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Civil Parish Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname ROBERT Husband Father Surname SHANES Husband Father Occupation LABOURER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname NR Husband Witness Firstname J Husband Witness Surname SHANES Wife Firstname ELIZABETH Wife Surname NESBITT Wife Townland / Street LURGAN Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Civil Parish Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father Firstname GEORGE Wife Father Surname NESBITT Wife Father Occupation WEAVER Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname NR Wife Witness Firstname ELIZA Wife Witness Surname CULBERT Denomination Comment MARRIED IN THE PARISH CHURCH BY T CAMPBELL D D. Street SHANKILL Church of Ireland Town CRAIGAVON Area SHANKILL County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your heart. - Demophilus

Another Nesbitt marriage from the UHF database: http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Type Civil Marriages Of Marriage 18/02/1869 Husband Firstname JOSEPH Husband Surname PORTER Husband Townland / Street LURGANA BALLYMOYER Husband Occupation LABOURER Husband Age 25 Husband Denomination Civil Parish Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname JOSEPH Father Surname PORTER Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname JOHN Husband Witness Surname EMERSON Wife Firstname ELIZABETH Wife Surname NESBITT Townland / Street OUTLECKAN BALLYMOYER Occupation Wife Age 25 Denomination Civil Parish Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Father Firstname NATHANIEL Father Surname NESBITT Father Occupation FARMER Mother Firstname Mother Surname Witness Firstname EDWARD Witness Surname LEET Denomination Comment BY LICENCE J BURNS MGR: HUSBANDS FATHER DECEASED. Street NEWRY Civil Town NEWRY & MOURNE Area NEWRY -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your heart. - Demophilus

Now for some Nesbitt marriages from the UHF database: http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 28/03/1871 Husband Firstname JOHN Husband Surname BELL Husband Townland / Street KILLYLEAGH Husband Occupation LABOURER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Presbyterian Husband Marital Status Widower (Male) Husband Father Firstname HENRY Husband Father Surname BELL Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname JOHN Husband Witness Surname BAILIE Wife Firstname ELIZABETH Wife Surname NESBITT Wife Townland / Street KILLYLEAGH Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Presbyterian Wife Marital Status Widow (Female) Wife Father Firstname WILLIAM Wife Father Surname NESBITT Wife Father Occupation LABOURER Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness Firstname MARTHA Wife Witness Surname BAILIE Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV A BREAKEY. Street KILLYLEAGH 1ST Presbyterian Town DOWN Area KILLYLEAGH County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your heart. - Demophilus

One last marriage from Ulster Historical Foundation's database: http://www.ancestryireland.co.uk/ Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 22/09/1866 Husband Firstname DAVID Husband Surname MINNIS Husband Townland / Street 34 STANLEY ST Husband Occupation CARPENTER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Methodist Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname HUGH Husband Father Surname MINNIS Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname ALEXANDER Husband Witness Surname STEWART Wife Firstname JANE Wife Surname SIMPSON Wife Townland / Street 43 ALEXANDER ST Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Methodist Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father Firstname JOHN Wife Father Surname SIMPSON Wife Father Occupation FARMER Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness Firstname MARY JANE Wife Witness Surname MINNIS Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV J DONNELLY. Street FREDERICK ST Methodist Town BELFAST Area SHANKILL County CO ANTRIM -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- Be persuaded that your only treasures are those which you carry in your heart. - Demophilus