Yes, men and women patriots and many, many were Scotch-Irish and proud to do their part in fighting the British..........something they had been doing across the pond for many previous years. The Scotch-Irish now are very aware of the part they had in helping win the Reveloutionary War and tell visitors proudly about it....... Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:00 AM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V05 #147 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.11/74 - Release Date: 8/17/05

Listers: Taken from Pat's list "CAN-ONTARIO-IRISH-L@rootsweb.com". Looks like an interesting site. Ulster is mentioned. Marybeth C. ========================================== << The Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, written by Samuel Lewis in 1837 is now on line at: http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php I really recommend this for reading, especially if you know the area where your ancestors orignated from in Ireland. Lewis describes the civil parishes and larger towns in wonderful easy to understand language. He also gives some history of the area, what churches are located there, land marks etc. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus >>

I don't think it's George's side but the winning side - our patriots. Judith Brown "We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward restoring for our children the American dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him." - Ronald Reagan "The deterioration of every government begins with the decay of the principles on which it was founded." --C. L. De Montesquieu -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:29 AM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] DAR Message Board Lookups and Irish Typographical Dictionary Hi folks, Just to let you know, the list is alive and well, though quiet as always in the summer time. If you are receiving this message, you are still subscribed to the Scotch Irish list. In today's RootsWeb Review, sent out free from Rootsweb (www.rootsweb.com)is an article about the DAR Message board. EH??? What's that?? Fur our Cousins: it's the mirror image of the UEL (United Empire Loyalists) -- the folks who were displaced by the American Revolution who moved to Canada. The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a huge organization that can only be joined by proving your descent from a soldier or helper in the American Revolution (on George W's side, not the other George.....geez, I almost left it at "George's side", now that'd be confusing!). Thus genealogy is of vast interest to members, would be members, and folks just hoping to find a trace of evidence to suggest that their ancestor was not raised in a petri dish on a UFO..... Here's a bit about their free message board where volunteers do lookups in their index. (You can go to a library or use Ancestry to do this yerself). > 1a. EDITOR'S DESK: > Utilizing the DAR Message Board > By Glenda Thompson, NSDAR Vice Chairman. VIS Committee >The goal of the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution >(NSDAR) is to promote patriotism, historic preservation, and education. >Its headquarters are located in Washington, DC and occupies an entire >city block near the White House. It is the largest group of buildings >owned and maintained exclusively by women. More than 836,000 women have >joined the DAR since it was founded in 1890. With 168,000 members in >3,000 chapters in all 50 states and District of Columbia, it also has >international chapters in Australia, the Bahamas, Bermuda, Canada, >France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and Untied Kingdom. >Membership in the DAR honors and preserves the legacy of patriot >ancestors. It is an opportunity to establish one's lineage and heritage >as a descendant of a patriot of the American Revolution. The "DAR >Patriot Index" records contain names of patriots (men and women) whose >service from 1775-1783 has been proven for DAR membership. >Would you like to know if your ancestor is listed with the NSDAR? A >helpful group of organized DAR Volunteer Information Specialists (VIS) >monitor the RootsWeb DAR Message Board every day and welcome lookup >requests. They use the most current records as the previously published >books are no longer up to date. They may be able to offer suggestions >about where you might look for additional data. >Include your Revolutionary War-era ancestor's first and last name, >spouse's name (if known), dates of birth, death, and state of residence >when posting your lookup request. You need not be interested in joining >the NSDAR to request a lookup. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.dar ---- Me again....I have a couple patriot lines but haven't had time to prove our lineage back to any of them good enough to join the DAR. My mother hopes our John ANderson (your's ain't likely to be mine: there were 7 of them in Cumberland alone at the time of the American Revolution. Mine moved to Westmoreland by 1785) is one but he was a Covenantor (founded first society west of the Alleghenies) and so far we're still sorting out Johns in Cumberland Co though I've not had time to do any work due to working on other people's. I've learned a LOT doing that so many our next battle will result in a victory. They say 1/3rd of the folks in the colonies supported George W. 1/3rd were neutral (Among them many pietist German religious), and 1/3rd loyalists. So while Americans like to haunt the halls of the DAR.....you're only searching through 1/3rd of the population. Check the loyalists. I've found the fastest way to do that is to use www.genealogy.com on line or the CD they produced with a large compendium of the 'basic' loyalist lit. The NEHGS in Boston has a large collection of loyalist books too but it costs gas money and turnpike fees to get to the T stop, an ever rising fee to take the T in, plus the impossible to resist cost of eating a meal in Boston before returning......Sigh. (No $15 doorfee at least as I am a member) Some colonies had mandatory militia service for men in a broad age group so the military recs of the period in some areas serve as a census. Pennsylvania has very good militia records for the Cumberland area where our ancestors lived. You can search them free on line (see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle for the URL and some search aids). So your ancestor if around probably had to be real good at evading the locals looking for militia men. There are also loyality oaths but they do not include men serving in the Continental Lines, apparently as they had already taken an oath. The DAR chapters work tirelessly to transcribe local records including cemetery transcriptions. I got a 1 foot high stack of Western PA transcriptions from my mother. I hope she owns Xerox stock. Sometimes you can find stuff in the DAR state collections that are not indexed individually in LDS. LDS also has a wonderful set of fiche that index a large collection of early South Carolina records collected by the DAR. So there's a lot more to the DAR than their lineage work. Also.... * * * >TOPOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY of IRELAND. >This is a complete online text of the 1837 edition of Samuel >Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php Enjoy! LInda Merle (SI Admin) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.10/73 - Release Date: 8/15/2005

Hi folks, Just to let you know, the list is alive and well, though quiet as always in the summer time. If you are receiving this message, you are still subscribed to the Scotch Irish list. In today's RootsWeb Review, sent out free from Rootsweb (www.rootsweb.com)is an article about the DAR Message board. EH??? What's that?? Fur our Cousins: it's the mirror image of the UEL (United Empire Loyalists) -- the folks who were displaced by the American Revolution who moved to Canada. The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) is a huge organization that can only be joined by proving your descent from a soldier or helper in the American Revolution (on George W's side, not the other George.....geez, I almost left it at "George's side", now that'd be confusing!). Thus genealogy is of vast interest to members, would be members, and folks just hoping to find a trace of evidence to suggest that their ancestor was not raised in a petri dish on a UFO..... Here's a bit about their free message board where volunteers do lookups in their index. (You can go to a library or use Ancestry to do this yerself). > 1a. EDITOR'S DESK: > Utilizing the DAR Message Board > By Glenda Thompson, NSDAR Vice Chairman. VIS Committee >The goal of the National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution >(NSDAR) is to promote patriotism, historic preservation, and education. >Its headquarters are located in Washington, DC and occupies an entire >city block near the White House. It is the largest group of buildings >owned and maintained exclusively by women. More than 836,000 women have >joined the DAR since it was founded in 1890. With 168,000 members in >3,000 chapters in all 50 states and District of Columbia, it also has >international chapters in Australia, the Bahamas, Bermuda, Canada, >France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, and Untied Kingdom. >Membership in the DAR honors and preserves the legacy of patriot >ancestors. It is an opportunity to establish one's lineage and heritage >as a descendant of a patriot of the American Revolution. The "DAR >Patriot Index" records contain names of patriots (men and women) whose >service from 1775-1783 has been proven for DAR membership. >Would you like to know if your ancestor is listed with the NSDAR? A >helpful group of organized DAR Volunteer Information Specialists (VIS) >monitor the RootsWeb DAR Message Board every day and welcome lookup >requests. They use the most current records as the previously published >books are no longer up to date. They may be able to offer suggestions >about where you might look for additional data. >Include your Revolutionary War-era ancestor's first and last name, >spouse's name (if known), dates of birth, death, and state of residence >when posting your lookup request. You need not be interested in joining >the NSDAR to request a lookup. http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.dar ---- Me again....I have a couple patriot lines but haven't had time to prove our lineage back to any of them good enough to join the DAR. My mother hopes our John ANderson (your's ain't likely to be mine: there were 7 of them in Cumberland alone at the time of the American Revolution. Mine moved to Westmoreland by 1785) is one but he was a Covenantor (founded first society west of the Alleghenies) and so far we're still sorting out Johns in Cumberland Co though I've not had time to do any work due to working on other people's. I've learned a LOT doing that so many our next battle will result in a victory. They say 1/3rd of the folks in the colonies supported George W. 1/3rd were neutral (Among them many pietist German religious), and 1/3rd loyalists. So while Americans like to haunt the halls of the DAR.....you're only searching through 1/3rd of the population. Check the loyalists. I've found the fastest way to do that is to use www.genealogy.com on line or the CD they produced with a large compendium of the 'basic' loyalist lit. The NEHGS in Boston has a large collection of loyalist books too but it costs gas money and turnpike fees to get to the T stop, an ever rising fee to take the T in, plus the impossible to resist cost of eating a meal in Boston before returning......Sigh. (No $15 doorfee at least as I am a member) Some colonies had mandatory militia service for men in a broad age group so the military recs of the period in some areas serve as a census. Pennsylvania has very good militia records for the Cumberland area where our ancestors lived. You can search them free on line (see http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle for the URL and some search aids). So your ancestor if around probably had to be real good at evading the locals looking for militia men. There are also loyality oaths but they do not include men serving in the Continental Lines, apparently as they had already taken an oath. The DAR chapters work tirelessly to transcribe local records including cemetery transcriptions. I got a 1 foot high stack of Western PA transcriptions from my mother. I hope she owns Xerox stock. Sometimes you can find stuff in the DAR state collections that are not indexed individually in LDS. LDS also has a wonderful set of fiche that index a large collection of early South Carolina records collected by the DAR. So there's a lot more to the DAR than their lineage work. Also.... * * * >TOPOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY of IRELAND. >This is a complete online text of the 1837 edition of Samuel >Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php Enjoy! LInda Merle (SI Admin) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi Barbara, Yes, townlands changed names, townlands disappeared, new townlands appeared. Townlands came into existence before any records that we have. They continue to change. In Northern Ireland, the Ordinance Survey memoirs will occasionally note changes, but the Northern Ireland Placename series is sure to. Alas, you are in Donegal. Look for a history of the civil parish. The Placename series notes how the name changed throughout time too, but, alas you aren't researching there. Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Barbara Braswell <barb_braswell@yahoo.com> Reply-To: barb_braswell@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:50:26 -0700 (PDT) >Hi listers, > >A question: Were some townlands created from other >townlands? > >I ask this because the townland of Drumcrow (sic) in >Taughboyne Pa. Co. Donegal (became part of the >Abercorn Estate in 1707) is not mentioned in the 1654 >Civil Survey of the area, although all the other >townlands surrounding it are named, nor in any of the >early Irish leases and deeds(1629- )I have read. By >1718 when Abercorn had a survey map drawn the name >finally does appear. Although I still have more >records and letters to read I was just curious if >anyone would know about the possibility of one >townland, for some reason, being split into two. I >know if this were the case during the Abercorns' time >it would be documented but possibly not if it was done >earlier - altho these deeds are very particular and >detailed. > >I'm feeling very sorry for poor little Drumcrow! > >Thanks!!! >Barbara Braswell > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hi listers, A question: Were some townlands created from other townlands? I ask this because the townland of Drumcrow (sic) in Taughboyne Pa. Co. Donegal (became part of the Abercorn Estate in 1707) is not mentioned in the 1654 Civil Survey of the area, although all the other townlands surrounding it are named, nor in any of the early Irish leases and deeds(1629- )I have read. By 1718 when Abercorn had a survey map drawn the name finally does appear. Although I still have more records and letters to read I was just curious if anyone would know about the possibility of one townland, for some reason, being split into two. I know if this were the case during the Abercorns' time it would be documented but possibly not if it was done earlier - altho these deeds are very particular and detailed. I'm feeling very sorry for poor little Drumcrow! Thanks!!! Barbara Braswell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I have updated the Banbridge births section of my website, the Dromore section has been updated with information on famous Dromore men, Sam Ferris and Thomas Stott, and the poem, "The City of Dromore", And the best of luck in your research. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

The current (July 2005) Pennsylvania Magazine of History and Biography has an interesting article "Rescuing African American Kidnapping Victims" by Eric Ledell Smith. It is about children and young children - born free in Pennsylvania - kidnapped from the streets of Philadelphia and sold into slavery by criminal gangs. What has this to do with Scotch-Irish genealogy? The heroes of this 1825-1828 drama are John W. Hamilton, a planter in Claiborne Co. Mississippi, formerly of Amite Co, Mississippi, who rescued a group of black youngsters and returned them to their families in Philadelphia and John Henderson, a local attorney, later US Senator from Missisippi, who helped him. The author was unable to find anything about this John W. Hamilton. Perhaps he has kin on this list? If he were my g.g.g.uncle or married to some distant cousin, I'd be proud to claim him. All the best, Richard

The Banbridge and Dromore births have been updated on my website. Raymond http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com

I tried the website address using all lower case and it worked. Is that a real site of it's own or just another ancestry come-on advertisement? I get so tired of those. I expect a real free site and just get Ancestry. I have started to avoid anything Ancestry if I can, just because of their aggressive methods and commercialization of what should be a FUN hobby. Now I only use them as a LAST resort, AFTER I have tried all free sites and have run out of old-fashioned research sites and problem work-around methods (those were the FUN, detective-like Genealogy searches). Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Simpson" <bud@budzilla.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] marriage records from Co. Down 1756-1794 > Woodvaledrive@aol.com wrote: > >> <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> >> Help! Could not get this website. Screen said "Error." > > Caps are probably the culprit - try all lower case: > > http://www.freesurnamesearch.com/ > > > Bud Simpson - Kansas City, MO > www.budzilla.com > > >

Woodvaledrive@aol.com wrote: > <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> > Help! Could not get this website. Screen said "Error." Caps are probably the culprit - try all lower case: http://www.freesurnamesearch.com/ Bud Simpson - Kansas City, MO www.budzilla.com

From the Ulster Historical Foundation Our Executive Director, Fintan Mullan, and colleague William Roulston will be doing a two week lecture tour in USA in late October.  The tour will start with a workshop on Irish research at the Clayton Library, Houston, TX, on 22 October 2005. As well as the research workshops they are inviting libraries to organise receptions to mark the publication of William Roulston’s Researching Scots-Irish Ancestors: the essential genealogical guide to early modern Ulster, 1600-1800, 2005.  The book features the large number of significant collections of records of administration for landed estates held in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. William will be available to speak for a few minutes about this research guide and will also autograph copies of his work purchased by members of the public. If you are interested in organising an Irish research workshop or a book publication reception please contact Fintan Mullan at fintan@uhf.org.uk. Practical details for workshop organisers can be sent immediately. I attach the itinerary for this tour as it stands at present.  Fintan and William will be probably flying from Houston to Atlanta, Georgia or Washington DC on Sunday 23 October 2005.  As you can see there are plenty of dates available 23-27 October 2005 and 31 October – 4 November 2005 Yours sincerely BRIAN TRAINOR Research Director Lecture Tour 21 Oct. 2005 – 6 Nov. 2005 Day                      Date               Information Friday                  21-Oct-05       travel day                                                                         Saturday             22-Oct-05       Clayton Library Houston, TX                   Full day      Robert de Berardinis Sunday                23-Oct-05       Monday              24-Oct-05       Tuesday              25-Oct-05       Wednesday        26-Oct-05                                                                               Thursday            27-Oct-05                                                                               Friday                  28-Oct-05       Heritage Library, Hilton Head, SC            Full day Saturday             29-Oct-05       Fairfield Museum Winnsboro NC            Full day Sunday                30-Oct-05       Possibly Historic Rural Hill Farm, NC  Monday              31-Oct-05                                                                               Tuesday              01-Nov-05     Wednesday        02-Nov-05                                                                             Thursday            03-Nov-05                                                                             Friday                  04-Nov-05                                                                             Saturday             05-Nov-05     Mining Your Family History Charleston WV             Full day Sunday                                                                                                                 

In a message dated 8/6/2005 5:03:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: <<FreeSurnameSearch.com">> Help! Could not get this website. Screen said "Error."

Hi, Trying to follow up on research on the Shanks, Wilson, Baldree families from Belfast area in 1767. Are you out there with a new e-mail address, know so often we all change addresses. Would appreciate a reply. Mary Widener

If you recognise these folks please let me know. I have an image from the register. All of them lived in Co. Down, Ireland as well as Edinburgh. Sandra 1889 Marriages in teh District of Canongate, Burgh of Edinburgh Hus: PATTERSON, Richard, 27 Husband father: Richard PATTERSON Husband mother: Charlotte PATTERSON (nee MULHOLLAND) Wife: Sarah Elizabeth STEWART Wife father: John STEWART Wife mother: Caroline Eleanor STEWART (nee NEWSAM) -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

If anyone recognises these folks, please let me know. This extraction came from the ScotlandsPeople site and I have the extraction image. Sandra Census place: Edinburgh, Canongate, Scotland Addr: 60 Canongate Head: John STEWART, 46 (He is believed to have been born in Co Down) Dtr: Caroline E. STEWART, 14 Dtr: Ellen STEWART, 12 Son: John B R STEWART, 7 Dtr: Sarah E STEWART, 28 Son: William S Stewart, 16 -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

If anyone should recognise these Stewarts, please let me know. I have an image file of the census page. I know they spent time in N Ireland, specifically Co. Down. Sandra ---- Civil parish: Edinburgh Parish ward: Canongate Parliamentary division: East division Address: 5 Abbeymount Head: John STEWART, 66 Wife: Caroline E STEWART, (nee NEWSAM) Dtr: Anna M STEWART Son: John R R STEWART Son: James STEWART Granddaughter: Ellen HODGKINS -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

If anyone recognises these Stewarts, please let me know. I have an image file for the census page. Sandra Civil Parish: So Leith Town: Edinburgh Head: STEWART, John Wife: Caroline E STEWART (nee NEWSAM) Son: William Dtr: Maria Son: John B R Son: James -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

If anyone recognises these folks, I have an image file for the census page. Civil Parish: So Leith Parliamentary Burgh of Leith Police Burgh of Leith Town of Leith STEWART, Andrew, 31 Stewart, Isabella, wife, 32 Stewart, Magdalene, dtr3 Stewart, ? (not quite legible), son ?, Christina, servant, 19 If this looks helpful to anyone, please let me know and I'll forward the image to you. Sandra -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.

If anyone recognises any of these folks, please let me know. I'm hoping to find more info or someone researching the same line. Antrim folks, I'm posting to you as well because I know that David Minnis lived in Antrim for a time. Thanks, Sandra ------ Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 21/12/1887 Husband Firstname DAVID Husband Surname MINNIS Husband Townland / Street CAVAN Husband Occupation TEACHER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Presbyterian Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father Firstname WILLIAM Husband Father Surname MINNIS Husband Father Occupation FARMER Husband Mother Firstname Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness Firstname WILLIAM Husband Witness Surname MINNIS Wife Firstname MARY Wife Surname PATTERSON Wife Townland / Street BALLYNAGAPPOGE Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Presbyterian Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father Firstname RICHARD Wife Father Surname PATTERSON Wife Father Occupation FLAX BUYER Wife Mother Firstname Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness Firstname JANE Wife Witness Surname PATTERSON Denomination Comment BY LICENCE REV J WILSON. Street BALLYRONEY Presbyterian Town BANBRIDGE Area DRUMBALLYRONEY County CO DOWN -- Sandra L. More more@unr.nevada.edu sandramore@sbcglobal.net -------------------------------------------- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a moose.