Glad you made it safely. Will take weeks to unpack. We're glad to have you in W. PA. I think you should write a book. You're so funny. Welcome home. Judith Brown www.pafairtax.org   "We need true tax reform that will at least make a start toward restoring for our children the American dream that wealth is denied to no one, that each individual has the right to fly as high as his strength and ability will take him.” – Ronald Reagan   “The deterioration of every government begins with the decay of the principles on which it was founded." --C. L. De Montesquieu -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:25 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Status Hi People, I'd like to thank the Rev. Andrews for his help with the list. I'm almost back. For new folks, I'm the usual list admin, involved in a move. The old house sold (big nightmare: terrible lender!!), moved 550 miles, camped out at parents while waiting for new house to close. Now camping out in new house waiting for furniture to arrive. Other than the buyer's lender, who delayed the sale for 4 days due to incompetancy (don't worry: I think they specialize in ruining the lives of Massachusetts Portagese families....), other nightmares: two cats lost. One in old place (still trying to have her trapped), one went AWOL at my parents (now living under their shed). I also got the names of some movers NOT to use, if anyone wants to avoid bad movers. Once I get my furniture back I may launch a website "WOW, Do these Movers SUCK!". The dog is staying with me and the one cat likes the new place and the lack of the two other cats. So I am now 10 miles from my aging parents and in the area where most all of my genealogy is as well as points south. When the furniture arrives things might start getting back to normal!! I'll have some books to help answer questions on the list. Furniture might come Wed or Thursday. I'm praying. And going out for pizza, hey! I got a good excuse: no refridge, not even a fork! I got 4 spoons but forgot to pack a fork.... I got a plate now thanks to a late night raid on the local Dollar store, but I might as well enjoy the situation. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/126 - Release Date: 10/9/2005

The Blunston Licenses are an important resource for finding those first Scotch-Irish squatters who jumped the gun and populated the Cumberland Valley before the Penns concluded their treaty with the Indians for the area. There were 249 licenses issued altogether, dating from 1734 to 1736. A word of caution - the exact location of many of the licensed properties will never be known with certainty. There just isn't enough information in them to pin the sites down for sure, and a lot of the reference points have vanished or have very different names now than they did in 1737. One particular license of interest to me, for example, was 400 acres issued to a James Polk "on the middle branch of the Conegochege at a place called Indian Cabins." That is the entire description. Needless to say the cabins are no longer there. The Rev. William Swaim, a Presbyterian minister from Newville and Harrisburg, now deceased, also did a lot of work on locating the Blunston properties and published some of it, and other historical papers, in a series of paperback leaflets that are still available from his executor at very reasonable cost. The most pertinent to the present discussion is "Over the River -- Cumberland Valley Farm Tracts licensed by Samuel Blunston" (1994). This does an analysis showing the pattern of development of the first 100 tracts in distinct clusters. Be advised, Swaim had very strong views about the history of the early development of the area, and gets, shall we say, a bit polemical at times, but his work is useful and unique. I didn't know a separate, similar project was done at Shippensburg. If they have all the property locations worked out I would be very interested to see the map. John Polk Havre de Grace, MD > [Original Message] > From: Sally Brandon <sbrandondc@verizon.net> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 10/10/2005 12:27:38 PM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Blunston Licenses > > Hey folk, > > I generally lurk and learn, have done so for years. Thanks Linda, shout out! And thanks, Rev. Andrews, for sorting out my posting problems so quickly. :) > > For those searching their Scotch-Irish in colonial Pennsylvania, I thought I'd put it out there that I'm tracking down a source I'd not heard of before. > > Over a hundred licenses were granted on the west side of the Susquehanna in now-Cumberland County, PA while the Indians still had possession by treaty. Via Sam Blunston, a wave of Scotch-Irish c. 1734 received licenses for tracts that have become known as the Blunston Licenses. > > But you probably know that if you're a descendant of one of them. If you have Heritage Quest access, the Donehoo book "A History of the Cumberland Valley in Pennsylvania" lists them with some typos. > > Through researcher Dr. Henry Cathey (the Cartheys on the list are Catheys and the Brennan on the list is known to be a Brandon) I got several grids and the key from a 1977 Shippensburg State College Blunston Licenses map project. The college can't find the original but the Cumberland County Historical society has copies, which I intend to copy next week. (As of 1999, the notes say they were already faded and had to be copied, retraced and copied again.) > > As far as I know, this is a unique resource. If I have it right, properties were identified by size, color-coded, then paired with the Donehoo book to form a key whereby you should be able to plug in your ancestor if he's on the list. > > Anyone with Blunston license holders in their family interested in the map, just let me know at this other mailbox below and I'll share what I find next week. > > Sally Brandon > sbrandondc@hotmail.com > --- John Polk --- Havre de Grace MD --- jfpolk@earthlink.net

John, You're right of course, that "There just isn't enough information in them to pin the sites down for sure." I'm anxious to see just how many are identified when I get to see all 45 panels. The notations alongside the parcels merely read "4-3," "22-6" and such. Those are to translate into Donehoo's page 4, third grantee, page 22, sixth grantee and such. (As careful as he seems to be, it appears that Donehoo has the page breaks slightly off from the originals, though. Doesn't matter, really, he's the publication used by the Shippensburg Project.) I don't know if they noted the "Pre Licensees" mentioned as already settled adjacent the new tracts, either. I'll report back what I find! And alumni Rob: Karen Daniel, head of Special Collections and Archives at Shippensburg now-University! has been wonderful. She wrote that she was hired to get a handle on what they have and what has been lost. She also followed up with suggestions as to papers I might want to view and offered to track down footnoted sources via the alumni who wrote them! I was impressed. Sally Brandon ===================== From: John Polk <jfpolk@earthlink.net> Date: Mon Oct 10 21:48:29 CDT 2005 To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Blunston Licenses The Blunston Licenses are an important resource for finding those first Scotch-Irish squatters who jumped the gun and populated the Cumberland Valley before the Penns concluded their treaty with the Indians for the area. There were 249 licenses issued altogether, dating from 1734 to 1736. A word of caution - the exact location of many of the licensed properties will never be known with certainty. There just isn't enough information in them to pin the sites down for sure, and a lot of the reference points have vanished or have very different names now than they did in 1737. <snip>

Does anyone know cognates for McKown? I believe McEwan may be one. Martin

In a message dated 10/10/2005 5:27:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, merle@mail.fea.net writes: two cats lost. One in old place (still trying to have her trapped), one went AWOL at my parents (now living under their shed). I also got the names of some movers NOT to use, if anyone wants to avoid bad movers. Once I get my furniture back I may launch a website "WOW, Do these Movers SUCK!". The dog is staying with me and the one cat likes the new place and the lack of the two other cats. Cats do not take well to moving. It's traumatic for them.

Wee bit of subscription trouble so this was diverted to me. Thanks to Sally for her submission Edward Andrews -----Original Message----- From: Sally Brandon [mailto:sbrandondc@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:40 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Blunston Licenses Hey folk, I generally lurk and learn, have done so for years. Thanks Linda! Shout out! For those searching their Scotch-Irish in colonial Pennsylvania, I thought I'd put it out there that I'm tracking down a source I'd not heard of before. Over a hundred licenses were granted on the west side of the Susquehanna in now-Cumberland County while the Indians still had possession by treaty. Via Sam Blunston, a wave of Scotch-Irish c. 1734 received licenses for tracts that have become known as the Blunston Licenses. But you probably know that if you're a descendant of one of them. If you have Heritage Quest access, the Donehoo book "A History of the Cumberland Valley in Pennsylvania" lists them with some typos. Through researcher Dr. Henry Cathey (the Cartheys on the list are Catheys and the Brennan on the list is a Brandon) I got several grids and the key from a 1977 Shippensburg State College Blunston Licenses map project. The college can't find the original but the Cumberland County Historical society has copies, which I intend to copy next week. (As of 1999, the notes say they were already faded and had to be copied, retraced and copied again.) As far as I know, this is a unique resource. If I have it right, properties were identified by size, color-coded, then paired with the Donehoo book to form a key whereby you should be able to plug in your ancestor if he's on the list. Anyone with Blunston license holders in their family interested in the map, just let me know and I'll share what I find next week. Sally Brandon sbrandondc@hotmail.com

Hi People, I'd like to thank the Rev. Andrews for his help with the list. I'm almost back. For new folks, I'm the usual list admin, involved in a move. The old house sold (big nightmare: terrible lender!!), moved 550 miles, camped out at parents while waiting for new house to close. Now camping out in new house waiting for furniture to arrive. Other than the buyer's lender, who delayed the sale for 4 days due to incompetancy (don't worry: I think they specialize in ruining the lives of Massachusetts Portagese families....), other nightmares: two cats lost. One in old place (still trying to have her trapped), one went AWOL at my parents (now living under their shed). I also got the names of some movers NOT to use, if anyone wants to avoid bad movers. Once I get my furniture back I may launch a website "WOW, Do these Movers SUCK!". The dog is staying with me and the one cat likes the new place and the lack of the two other cats. So I am now 10 miles from my aging parents and in the area where most all of my genealogy is as well as points south. When the furniture arrives things might start getting back to normal!! I'll have some books to help answer questions on the list. Furniture might come Wed or Thursday. I'm praying. And going out for pizza, hey! I got a good excuse: no refridge, not even a fork! I got 4 spoons but forgot to pack a fork.... I got a plate now thanks to a late night raid on the local Dollar store, but I might as well enjoy the situation. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Sally, Interesting information for those of us with kin in the Cumberland Valley. Thanks. But please, It's Shippensburg UNIVERSITY of Pennsylvania (has been since 1983). We would never deign to associate ourselves with those lowly state colleges like, uh, . . . well, I can't think of any of their names right now. Rob Hilliard Class of '90 PS: Not surprised they can't find the originals. They're so screwed up they even let yours truly graduate. -----Original Message----- From: Sally Brandon [mailto:sbrandondc@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:28 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Blunston Licenses Hey folk, I generally lurk and learn, have done so for years. Thanks Linda, shout out! And thanks, Rev. Andrews, for sorting out my posting problems so quickly. :) For those searching their Scotch-Irish in colonial Pennsylvania, I thought I'd put it out there that I'm tracking down a source I'd not heard of before. Over a hundred licenses were granted on the west side of the Susquehanna in now-Cumberland County, PA while the Indians still had possession by treaty. Via Sam Blunston, a wave of Scotch-Irish c. 1734 received licenses for tracts that have become known as the Blunston Licenses. But you probably know that if you're a descendant of one of them. If you have Heritage Quest access, the Donehoo book "A History of the Cumberland Valley in Pennsylvania" lists them with some typos. Through researcher Dr. Henry Cathey (the Cartheys on the list are Catheys and the Brennan on the list is known to be a Brandon) I got several grids and the key from a 1977 Shippensburg State College Blunston Licenses map project. The college can't find the original but the Cumberland County Historical society has copies, which I intend to copy next week. (As of 1999, the notes say they were already faded and had to be copied, retraced and copied again.) As far as I know, this is a unique resource. If I have it right, properties were identified by size, color-coded, then paired with the Donehoo book to form a key whereby you should be able to plug in your ancestor if he's on the list. Anyone with Blunston license holders in their family interested in the map, just let me know at this other mailbox below and I'll share what I find next week. Sally Brandon sbrandondc@hotmail.com

Hey folk, I generally lurk and learn, have done so for years. Thanks Linda, shout out! And thanks, Rev. Andrews, for sorting out my posting problems so quickly. :) For those searching their Scotch-Irish in colonial Pennsylvania, I thought I'd put it out there that I'm tracking down a source I'd not heard of before. Over a hundred licenses were granted on the west side of the Susquehanna in now-Cumberland County, PA while the Indians still had possession by treaty. Via Sam Blunston, a wave of Scotch-Irish c. 1734 received licenses for tracts that have become known as the Blunston Licenses. But you probably know that if you're a descendant of one of them. If you have Heritage Quest access, the Donehoo book "A History of the Cumberland Valley in Pennsylvania" lists them with some typos. Through researcher Dr. Henry Cathey (the Cartheys on the list are Catheys and the Brennan on the list is known to be a Brandon) I got several grids and the key from a 1977 Shippensburg State College Blunston Licenses map project. The college can't find the original but the Cumberland County Historical society has copies, which I intend to copy next week. (As of 1999, the notes say they were already faded and had to be copied, retraced and copied again.) As far as I know, this is a unique resource. If I have it right, properties were identified by size, color-coded, then paired with the Donehoo book to form a key whereby you should be able to plug in your ancestor if he's on the list. Anyone with Blunston license holders in their family interested in the map, just let me know at this other mailbox below and I'll share what I find next week. Sally Brandon sbrandondc@hotmail.com

Hi Brian, Yes, you are still subscribed. This list seems to be a little slow right now. Janet New England USA

So quiet - just checking that Im still connected ! brian Orr

Hi, Thanks, a lot of info. for me to follow on. However I have researched the Sir James Douglas of Spott and his line leads to Sir Lord Douglas Home in the U. K. Also, in the final analyses he was the only Douglas who seems to have been given lands in Ulster which he then sold. It seems that he did not leave any of his clan behind. Maybe incorrect. Anyway, I was told that a George Douglas, also from Spott and possibly James's brother settled the lands in Ireland. Does anyone have info. on him? Thanks for the info. Doogles Mavis Douglas mavis1735@earthlink.net

This may also interest some people. Scottish "undertakers" in Ulster The first list of Scottish applicants for Ulster allotments was completed by September 14, 1609. The following is the list as given in volume VIII of the official edition of the Register of the Privy Council of Scotland: Adamson, James, brother of Mr. William Adamson of Greycrook [Craigcrook]; surety, Andrew Hariot of Ravelston: 2000 acres. Aitchison, Harry, in Edinburgh; surety, Mr. James Cunningham of Mountgrennan: 2000 acres. Alexander, Robert, son of Christopher Alexander, burgess of Stirling; surety, his said father; 1000 acres. Anderson, James, portioner of Little Goven; surety, John Allison in Carsbrig; 1000 acres. Anderson, John, burgess of Edinburgh; surety, Thomas Anderson, burgess there. Bellenden, John, son of the late Justice-Clerk Sir Lewis Bellenden; surety, Sir George Livingstone of Ogilface; 2000 acres. Bellenden, William, also son of the late Sir Lewis Bellenden; surety, Mr. John Hart, younger, in the Canongate; 2000 acres. Borthwick, David, chamberlain of Newbattle; surety, George Thorbrand, burgess of Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Brown, John, in Gorgie Mill; surety, Harry Aikman, in Brumehouse; 2000 acres. Carmichael, David, son of James Carmichael of Pottishaw; surety, Mr. John Ross, burgess of Glasgow; 1000 acres. Colquhoun, Mr. Malcolm, burgess of Glasgow; surety, Alexander Colquhoun of Luss; 2000 acres. Coutts, Robert, of Corswoods; surety, John Coutts, skinner, burgess of Edinburgh; 1000 acres. Cranstoun, Nathaniel, son of Mr. Michael Cranstoun, minister of Cramond; surety, Robert Wardlaw in Edinburgh; 1500 acres. Crawford, Daniel, goldsmith in Edinburgh; surety, George Crawford, goldsmith there; 1000 acres. Crawford, David, son of Andrew Crawford of Bedlair; surety, Robert Montgomery of Kirktown; 2000 acres. Crawford, James, goldsmith, burgess of Edinburgh; surety, Archibald Hamilton of Bairfute; 2000 acres. Crawford, Robert, of Possill; surety, John Montgomery of Cokilbie; 2000 acres. Crichton, Abraham, brother of Thomas Crichton of Brunstone; surety, said Crichton of Brunstone; 2000 acres. Crichton, Thomas of Brunstone; surety, Mr. James Cunningham of Mountgrennan; 2000 acres. Cunningham, Alexander, of Powton; surety, George Murray of Broughton; 2000 acres. Cunningham, John, of Raws; surety, James Guidlet in Strabrock; 2000 acres. Dalyrymple, James, brother of Dalyrymple of Stair; surety, George Crawford, younger of Auchincorse; 2000 acres. Douglas, George, of Shiell; surety, Douglas of Pumpherston; 2000 acres. Douglas, James, of Clappertoun; surety, George Douglas of Shiell; 1000 acres. Douglas, William, son of Joseph of Pumpherston; surety, his said father; 2000 acres. Dunbar, Alexander, of Egirness; surety, George Murray of Broughton; 2000 acres. Dunbar, John, of Avach; surety, David Lindsay, keeper of the tolbooth of Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Finlayson, Mr. John, heir apparent of Killeith; surety, John Dunbar of Avach; 2000 acres. Forres, John, of Dirleton; surety, Walter Ker of Cocklemill; 2000 acres. Forster, William, in Leith; surety, John Forster in Edinburgh; 1000 acres. Fowler, William, merchant-burgess in Edinburgh; surety, James Inglis, skinner, burgess of Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Guidlet, James, of Strabrock; surety, John Cunningham of Raws; 2000 acres. Hamilton, Claud, of Creichness; surety, Archibald Hamilton of Bairfute; 2000 acres. Hamilton, George, of East Binnie; surety, Mr. Edward Marshall, clerk of commissary of Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Hamilton, Robert, of Stanhouse; 2000 acres. Hamilton, Robert, son of the late Gilbert Hamilton; surety, Gavin Hamilton of Raploch; 2000 acres. Hepburn, Alexander, of Bangla; surety, Sir Robert Hepburn of Alderstoun; 2000 acres. Home, Robert, of Blackhills; surety, Mr. John Home of Swansheill; 2000 acres. Inglis, Thomas, younger of Auldliston; surety, James, Lord Torphichen; 2000 acres. Irving, Robert, at the mill of Cowie; surety, Edward Johnston, younger, merchant in Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Johnstone, John, bailie Water of Leith; surety, Daniel Coutts in Dalry Mill; 2000 acres. Ker, Walter, of Cocklemill; surety, John Forres in Dirleton; 1500 acres. Lauder, Alexander, son of William Lauder of Bellhaven; surety, his said father; 2000 acres. Lindsay, Mr. Jerome, in Leith; surety, David Lindsay, keeper of the tolbooth in Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Lindsay, Mr. Robert, in Leith; surety, George Smailholm, in Leith; 2000 acres. Livingston, Sir George, of Ogilface; surety, John Crawford of Bearcrofts; 2000 acres. Lockhart, Stephen, of Wicketshaw; surety, Thomas Weir of Kirktoun; 2000 acres. McClellan, Herbert, of Grogrie; surety, George Murray of Broughton; 2000 acres. McCulloch, James, of Drummorell; surety, George Murray of Broughton; 2000 acres. McGill, M. Samuel, burgess of Glasgow; surety, Robert Gray, brother of Patrick, Lord Gray; 2000 acres. Mac Walter, Parlane, of Auchinvennell; surety, Alexander Colquhoun of Luss; 2000 acres. Marjoribanks, Thomas, son of Thomas Marjoribanks of Ratho; surety, John Marjoribanks, apparent of Ratho; 2000 acres. Meldrum, John, brother of the Laird of Seggie; surety, Ramsay of Balmonth; 2000 acres. Melville, James, son of John Melville of Raith; surety, James Melville of Fodinche; 2000 acres. Montgomery, Robert, of Kirktown; surety, Robert Crawford of Possill; 2000 acres. Mowbray, William, son of John Mowbray of Groftangry; surety, his said father; 2000 acres. Mure, James, portioner of Both-Kenner; surety, Cuthbert Cunningham, Provost of Dumbarton; 2000 acres. Murray, George, of Broughton; surety, Alexander Dunbar of Egirness; 2000 acres. Orrock, Captain David; surety, Lord Ochiltree; 2000 acres. Pont, Mr. Timothy, minister; surety, Alexander Borthwick of Nether Laich; 2000 acres. Purves, Thomas, in Bald; surety, John Purves cordiner in Edinburgh; 1000 acres. Ramsay, Alexander, brother of Thomas Ramsay of Balmonth; surety, Meldrum of Seggie; 2000 acres. Ross, Mr. John, burgess of Glasgow; surety, James Carmichael of Pottishaw; 1500 acres. Smailholm, George, in Laith; surety, Mr. Robert Lindsay in Leith; 2000 acres. Stewart, Harry, of Barskimming; surety, Lord Ochiltree; 2000 acres. Stewart, James, of Rossyth; surety, William Stewart of Dunduff; 2000 acres. Stewart, Robert, uncle of Lord Ochiltree; surety, sid Lord Ochiltree; 2000 acres. Stewart, Robert, of Robertoun; surety, William Stewart of Dunduff; 2000 acres. Stewart, Robert, in Edinburgh; surety, William Stewart of Dunduff, 2000 acres. Stewart, William, of Dunduff; surety, Lord Ochiltree, 2000 acres. Tarbet, James, servitor to the Earl of Dumfermline; surety, Thomas Inglis, younger of Ouldliston, 1000 acres Thorbrand, Alexander, son of George Thorbrand, burgess of Edinburgh; surety, his said father; 1500 acres. Watson, Mr. James, portioner of Sauchton; surety, John Watson, portioner of Sauchton; 2000 acres. Watson, John, portioner of Sauchton; surety, James Crawford, goldsmith, burgess of Edinburgh; 2000 acres. Weir, Thomas, of Kirktoun; surety, Stephen Lockhart, of Wicketshaw; 2000 acres. Wilkie, John, burgess of Edinburgh; surety, James Murray, burgess there; 2000 acres Wood, Andrew, brother of John Wood of Galstoun; surety, his said brother; 2000 acres. The Second List The Scottish Undertakers who were actually granted allotments in Ulster were those on the list made up in 1610 by the King and his English Privy Council sitting in London. The following schedule is taken from vol. IX of the register of the Privy Council of Scotland. Undertakers For 3,000 acres each......(County) Ludovic Stewart, Duke of Lennox ( Donegal) James Hamilton, Earl of Abercorn (Tyrone) Esme Stewart, Lord D'Aubigny, brother of the Duke of Lennox (Cavan) Michael Balfour, Lord of Burley (Fermanagh) Andrew Stewart, Lord Ochiltree (Tyrone) Undertakers For 2,000 acres each......(County) John Clapen (Tyrone) Sir James Cunningham, of Glengarnock (Donegal) Sir James Douglas (Armagh) Sir Alexander Hamilton (Cavan) Sir Claud Hamilton (Tyrone) Sir John Home (Fermanagh) Sir Robert MacClellan, of Bomby (Donegal) Undertakers For 1,500 acres each......(County) ___, Balfour, Younger of Montquhany (Fermanagh) Sir Thomas Boyd (Tyrone) William Fowler (Fermanagh) James Haig (Tyrone) Robert Hamilton (Fermanagh) Sir Robert Hepburn, Late Lieutenant of the Kings Guard in Scotland (Tyrone) George Murray of Broughton (Donegal) William Stewart, brother of Lord Garlies (Donegal) Sir John Wishart of Pitarro (Fermanagh) Undertakers For 1,000 acres each......(County) Henry Aitchinson (Armagh) Alexander Auchmutie (Cavan) John Auchmutie (Cavan) William Baillie (Cavan) John Brown (Cavan) ___ Crawford of Liefnoreis (Tyrone) John Craig (Armagh) Alexander Cunningham (Donegal) Cuthbert Cunningham (Donegal) James Cunningham (Donegal) John Cunningham of Granfield (Donegal) Sir John Drummond of Bordland (Tyrone) Alexander Dunbar (Donegal) John Dunbar (Fermanagh) William Dunbar (Cavan) James Gibb (Fermanagh) Sir Claud Hamilton (Cavan) Claud Hamilton (Armagh) George Hamilton (Tyrone) Alexander Hume (Fermanagh) William Lauder (Armagh) Barnard Lindsay (Tyrone) John Lindsay (Fermanagh) Robert Lindsay (Tyrone) Alexander Macaulay of Durling (Donegal) James MacCulloch (Donegal) Sir Patrick M'Kie (Donegal) ___ Moneypenny, of Kinkell (Fermanagh) John Ralston (Cavan) George Smailholm (Fermanagh) John Stewart (Donegal) Robert Stewart of Haltoun (Tyrone) Robert Stewart of Robertoun (Tyrone) Sir Walter Stewart of Minto (Donegal) William Stewart of Dumduff (Donegal) James Trail (Fermanagh) Patrick Vaus (Donegal) regards Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: "Linda Merle" <merle@mail.fea.net> >Reply-To: <merle@mail.fea.net> >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Douglas >Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:27:55 -0700 > >Dear Robert, > >Thanks for posting this. This is MAJOR information for anyone researching >in the Barony of Fews in the 1600s. One of the ways you find the Scottish >origin of the families is to trace the landlord. And this one, not >surprisingly, comes from a specific area of Scotland. When settling his >Ulster estate, he required reliable, loyal tenants. He obtained these men >from his own estate in Scotland as well as his neighbors and relatives. > >It's an area of Scotland that my father's Scottish ancestors >came from -- the southeast coastal area: the Lothians. This was also the >area where the great Douglas family lived. > > > >DOUGLAS, Sir James of Spott: > >Spott is a parish in East Lothian. Actually my family has surnames that >originated in Spott. At some point we said "Out, out, dread Spott" and >buggied north to more interesting places >like Haddington. > >Like Douglas, the surname HOME is an old border surname. > > >Received > >numerous gifts from King James1. 1610 described as "gentleman of the >privy > >chamber". > >King James often rewarded his friends. > >If you check www.worldgenweb.com you can make your way to webpages for >Spott and neighboring parishes in Scotland. SOme have MIs (Monument >Inscriptions) posted on the websites. I found one direct ancestor's grave >on line a couple weeks ago. >There's a lot of the early history of the Lothians on line as well. >Believed to be the kingdom of King Lot. In any case it has a very long and >hoary history. > >Hanna "The Scotch-Irish" has the reports made to King James in the first 30 >years or so of the Ulster Plantation, providing the names of the major >undertakers, their heirs, and the history of the settlements. It's not too >hard to trace these early undertakers to Scotland. They recruited their own >tenants and that of neighbors for their Ulster estates. If you do research >in Scottish locales enough to know the surnames, you can sometimes easily >spot similar groupings in Ulster. > >Nigel Tranter, now deceased, wrote many books on Scottish history. In many >the various branches of the Douglases play a major role. You can find his >books for sell on www.amazon.com. > >Linda Merle > > > > > >________________________________________________________________ >Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

Haddington is a lovely wee town I know, I live there now. http://www.haddingtoncc.org.uk/ However, much as I loved Nigel Tranter, please remember that no matter how well researched his books were, that the novel are essentially fiction written against an historical background. Read them, enjoy them, but do not totally trust them as history except the books which are down as real history and the like (as he wrote about 140 books in his life there is a lot to go through. http://www.nigeltranter.co.uk/ tells you about him. Sorry to commit the no, no and bring in Scotland. Edward -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:28 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Douglas Dear Robert, Thanks for posting this. This is MAJOR information for anyone researching in the Barony of Fews in the 1600s. One of the ways you find the Scottish origin of the families is to trace the landlord. And this one, not surprisingly, comes from a specific area of Scotland. When settling his Ulster estate, he required reliable, loyal tenants. He obtained these men from his own estate in Scotland as well as his neighbors and relatives. It's an area of Scotland that my father's Scottish ancestors came from -- the southeast coastal area: the Lothians. This was also the area where the great Douglas family lived. >DOUGLAS, Sir James of Spott: Spott is a parish in East Lothian. Actually my family has surnames that originated in Spott. At some point we said "Out, out, dread Spott" and buggied north to more interesting places like Haddington. Like Douglas, the surname HOME is an old border surname. >Received >numerous gifts from King James1. 1610 described as "gentleman of the privy >chamber". King James often rewarded his friends. If you check www.worldgenweb.com you can make your way to webpages for Spott and neighboring parishes in Scotland. SOme have MIs (Monument Inscriptions) posted on the websites. I found one direct ancestor's grave on line a couple weeks ago. There's a lot of the early history of the Lothians on line as well. Believed to be the kingdom of King Lot. In any case it has a very long and hoary history. Hanna "The Scotch-Irish" has the reports made to King James in the first 30 years or so of the Ulster Plantation, providing the names of the major undertakers, their heirs, and the history of the settlements. It's not too hard to trace these early undertakers to Scotland. They recruited their own tenants and that of neighbors for their Ulster estates. If you do research in Scottish locales enough to know the surnames, you can sometimes easily spot similar groupings in Ulster. Nigel Tranter, now deceased, wrote many books on Scottish history. In many the various branches of the Douglases play a major role. You can find his books for sell on www.amazon.com. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Dear Robert, Thanks for posting this. This is MAJOR information for anyone researching in the Barony of Fews in the 1600s. One of the ways you find the Scottish origin of the families is to trace the landlord. And this one, not surprisingly, comes from a specific area of Scotland. When settling his Ulster estate, he required reliable, loyal tenants. He obtained these men from his own estate in Scotland as well as his neighbors and relatives. It's an area of Scotland that my father's Scottish ancestors came from -- the southeast coastal area: the Lothians. This was also the area where the great Douglas family lived. >DOUGLAS, Sir James of Spott: Spott is a parish in East Lothian. Actually my family has surnames that originated in Spott. At some point we said "Out, out, dread Spott" and buggied north to more interesting places like Haddington. Like Douglas, the surname HOME is an old border surname. >Received >numerous gifts from King James1. 1610 described as "gentleman of the privy >chamber". King James often rewarded his friends. If you check www.worldgenweb.com you can make your way to webpages for Spott and neighboring parishes in Scotland. SOme have MIs (Monument Inscriptions) posted on the websites. I found one direct ancestor's grave on line a couple weeks ago. There's a lot of the early history of the Lothians on line as well. Believed to be the kingdom of King Lot. In any case it has a very long and hoary history. Hanna "The Scotch-Irish" has the reports made to King James in the first 30 years or so of the Ulster Plantation, providing the names of the major undertakers, their heirs, and the history of the settlements. It's not too hard to trace these early undertakers to Scotland. They recruited their own tenants and that of neighbors for their Ulster estates. If you do research in Scottish locales enough to know the surnames, you can sometimes easily spot similar groupings in Ulster. Nigel Tranter, now deceased, wrote many books on Scottish history. In many the various branches of the Douglases play a major role. You can find his books for sell on www.amazon.com. Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Hello Mavis Is this of any interest? DOUGLAS, Sir James of Spott: Clancarney, 2,000 acres, Barony of The Fews,County Armagh. Natural son of fourth Earl of Morton, Scottish Regent 1572 to 1578. From Haddington, Married only daughter of Sir George Home, of Spott. Received numerous gifts from King James1. 1610 described as "gentleman of the privy chamber". Not in Ireland 1610. (Carew Report) initially only an agent present, but commissioners had left, fifteen families of workmen and artificers brought from Scotland. Aug 1611 Douglas expected on his Irish estate. By 2 May 1611 conveyed proportion to HENRY ATCHESON. Douglas remained in Ulster. 1612 among planters who complained of robberies by Irish. Had died by end of July 1614 (Bodley's Report). Henry Acheson's and Douglas's proportions combined contained forty-seven British families (Pynar's Report 1617). Douglas's proportion in the hands of Sir Archibald Acheson, Henry's brother. Stone bawn built and strong house begun. Twenty-nine families in town of Clancarney. These, along with the rest of Sir Archibalds tenant's, could muster 173 men at arms. 1622 report: Sir Archibald's estates contained 130 British families There is an excellent publication in 2 volumes the name of which I cannot now recall but something like : The History of the Clan Douglas. I have seen it at the LinenHall Library in Belfast and it should be probably available through any good library. regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com >From: "Capt Douglas" <mavis1735@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: mavis1735@earthlink.net >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Sc-Ir] Douglas >Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:12:46 -0500 > >Hi, >I am looking for information about the Douglas's who went to Ireland as >part of the Ulster Plantation. The Douglas from whom I am descended is the >Rev. William Douglas (1771-1860) born nr. Lurgan. > >I have the following which states "that he went over with a lord Hamilton >to take charge of ulster. " Any help will be appreciated as I am >researching this period of 1611 - 1771. > >Many thanks, >Doogles. > > >Mavis Douglas >mavis1735@earthlink.net > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk

Hello all, I'm trying to find the specific date in May 1606 when the first boatloads of Lowland Scots arrived in Ulster to populate the Hamilton and Montgomery settlements. Neither Percival Maxwell nor John Harrison provide an accurate date - any help very much appreciated, Mark Mark Thompson 136 Shore Road Clydesburn Ballyhalbert County Down Northern Ireland BT22 1BJ ................................... Home: 028 4275 8367 Mobile: 07712 213457 email: wmthompson@btinternet.com ....................................

Hi, I am looking for information about the Douglas's who went to Ireland as part of the Ulster Plantation. The Douglas from whom I am descended is the Rev. William Douglas (1771-1860) born nr. Lurgan. I have the following which states "that he went over with a lord Hamilton to take charge of ulster. " Any help will be appreciated as I am researching this period of 1611 - 1771. Many thanks, Doogles. Mavis Douglas mavis1735@earthlink.net

Hi Mark, unless it's in the Montgomery papers, most likely no one knows. No one knows for sure the names of the early settlers. The Montgomery papers are published in Hanna "The Scotch Irish" but I do not recall any specific date given. The other place to check is the Public Records Office in Kew Gardens. It's full of unpublished, unindexed, uncateloged manuscript materials. No one really knows what all is there. We are slowly finding out as scholars wade their way through. I had briefly corresponded with a man who was able to use English spy documents from the 1500s to prove that his ancestor had been in the McDonald army that came to Ulster in the second half of the 1500s. Queen Elizabeth had spies everywhere. I do not know exactly how he found this Elizabethan documents in the PRO or how they were cataloged, but he did find them. I suspect there is a wealth of manuscripts to be found there. There are some lists of very early Down settlers in the archives of this list. Lastly a good search of the standard Irish indexes is in order: NIDS and Hayes, for starters. There are also published books with lists of manuscripts pertaining to Ireland that are held in various libraries in England and Scotland. These include the names of men sent off by various counties in Cromwell and other early armies. I am sorry I can't give you more specifics -- everything is packed away in boxes and on a moving van. Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Mark Thompson <wmthompson@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:46:56 +0100 >Hello all, >I'm trying to find the specific date in May 1606 when the first >boatloads of Lowland Scots arrived in Ulster to populate the Hamilton >and Montgomery settlements. >Neither Percival Maxwell nor John Harrison provide an accurate date - >any help very much appreciated, > >Mark > >Mark Thompson >136 Shore Road >Clydesburn >Ballyhalbert >County Down >Northern Ireland >BT22 1BJ >................................... >Home: 028 4275 8367 >Mobile: 07712 213457 >email: wmthompson@btinternet.com >.................................... > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Listers: Am sending these two links from CyndisLIst. Good luck with your searches. Marybeth C. ========================================================= In a message dated 10/1/05 1:24:14 AM, CyndisList@rootsweb.com writes: << =~=~=~= URL: http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/ScotchIrishTennessee/index.php TITLE: Scotch-Irish of Tennessee. DESCRIPTION: Taken from The Scotch-Irish in America: Proceedings of the Scotch-Irish Congress at Columbia, Tennessee, May 8-11, 1889. =~=~=~= URL: http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/ScotchIrishSettlersSouthCarolina/index. php TITLE: Scotch-Irish Settlers in South Carolina, and Their Descendants in Maury County, Tennessee. DESCRIPTION: From The Scotch-Irish in America: Proceedings of the Scotch-Irish Congress at Columbia, Tennessee, May, 1889. =~=~=~= >>