Hello Janet: I am not related. If you haven't used these resources, you may find the surname message boards below of help in your research: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.jackson http://genforum.genealogy.com/my/ then CLICK on 'J' and look for 'JACKSON' name and CLICK on it. Allan Wands, Toronto -----Original Message----- From: Starnjan@aol.com [mailto:Starnjan@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:22 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Jackson family Listers, I am looking for Jackson ancesters. My father was Albert Edward, G-father, George. They were born and lived in Philadelphia, PA. Albert, born 1891, Grorge, 1866. Any info you can give me will be appreciated. I am new to researching. Thank you. Janet

Listers, I am looking for Jackson ancesters. My father was Albert Edward, G-father, George. They were born and lived in Philadelphia, PA. Albert, born 1891, Grorge, 1866. Any info you can give me will be appreciated. I am new to researching. Thank you. Janet

-----Original Message----- From: Bill McKinney [mailto:sholly@adelphia.net] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:20 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Sc-Ir] Re:Grandpa Walt Walt, My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.

This exchange about Mac - Mc name changes sparked an idea about one of my brick walls, Edward Loyd Neil. Edward was b. in Boston, Mass. 24 Jul 1815, according to family records.. I do not know his parent's names, & have not located any confirmation for his date or place of birth. He married Adelaide Antoinette Esther Kaufman in Halifax, Nova Scotia 12 Sep 1846. Does the spelling of the names - Loyd and Neil - with the single "L", signify anything? Is it a common spelling in Ireland or Scotland? and would it likely have once been McNeil or MacNeil? Thanks for any suggestions. Virginia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005

Hi Bill , Most genealogist feel there is no documentation to establish a valid reason for the Mac to Mc. However, from all I've seen, changing names to conceal "criminal" / religious etc. background to facilitate relocation was rather common. Some MacKenzie (my) only used the Mac to Mc entirely or initially, with others it seems to have progressed to entire surname thus all the spelling variations some of which look entirely different. My aunt b. 1902 told me ancestors were horse/sheep thieves in Scotland & change Mac to Mc in transition to Ire. These changes took place with moves from Highlands N. Scot to S. Scot, to N.Ire, to S.Ire, to US, Can & Aus. I feel it was done primarily for "criminal" & religious reasons to put past behind & moving along for a better life. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinney" <sholly@adelphia.net> To: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish1@comcast.net>; <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re:Grandpa Walt > Walt, > > My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if > you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. > > Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs > under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. > > Bill McKinney > Erie, Pa. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

Walt, My last name is McKinney, a sept of the MacKenzie clan. I was wondering if you knew how your last name came to be shortened from Mac to Mc. Also, I've always wondered about the significance of the dash with two legs under the c in my name. Can you -- or anyone -- care to enlighten me. Bill McKinney Erie, Pa.

I'm no expert but I've also seen references that during the Revolutionary War residents often changed the spelling of their name for political reasons to avoid punishments by the British and then would change the name back when the regime changed. Another reason for the change in spelling is due to persons not being educated and others spelling a name as they perceived it to be. Kirk might be spelled Kerk, Kirke, Curk as well as Quirk(e). I'm sure others just "shortened" their names for whatever reason. Ludie -

Another variant spelling of MacAlpin from some of my ancestors is "Maccubin". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy" <nmcfarl@racc2000.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Apology for asking for traditions/Surnames > > I am enjoying the traditions conversations also. I think it all ties in > with genealogy. Our ancestors were just more than a name and date on a > page > It's interesting to see what traditions and variations there of, have > survived over the years! > > On another note, I've just come across a few ancestors on a maternal line > of > mine. They are MacAlpin, which I find is a Scottish clan name and also > some > with old spellings MacGabhran, MacAiden, MacDomnail or MacDamnall. I > think > these may be strictly Scottish in origin but I'm not sure of what the > modern > spellings would be or the families may have ventured to Ireland. Haven't > done any research yet. Anyway, it's all interesting. > > Nancy > also in Michigan where it's snowing to beat the band where I am too! > > > > > I'm still laughing at the Sealy Mattress dancing... Even the cranks gotta > have a sense of humor. > > Donna > in Michigan where it is already SNOWING... > > Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate. > > . > >

I love reading this message board also. I have found that most of the people who post here are very well informed. That led me to think that maybe someone would have a strategy for solving my brick wall. My Douglases are first found in Maine in 1730. There was a relationship of some sort between them and the Gordons around that time. It may have happened in Maine or in Great Britian. You see I had my (Douglas) DNA tested and it matched PERFECTLY with several Gordons. A perfect match means there should be a common ancestor WITHIN the past 200-300 years. Another Douglas on my family tree had his tested with the same results. One scenario is a Douglas had an illegitimate child by a Gordon or visa versa. Or there may have been an adoption. There are other possibilities also, I am sure. So if there is anyone out there who has both Douglases and Gordons on their family tree or know of any situation that might have caused the above situation or have any other suggestions, please let me know. Thanks. Jane -----Original Message----- From: Linda Merle [mailto:merle@mail.fea.net] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:44 PM To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] I LOVE THE POSTINGS Hi David, Can't help you with connections with the Abernathys. However if you check past posts and the website you may find tips on how to proceed with y our genealogy. If you are the pioneer researcher in your family then you will have to learn how to do the research as no one else has the info to post it here. That seems to be MY case in most of my lines, groan.... I ha "The Scots-Urish in the Carolinas the Kennedy here before me. He is not a scholar and does not footnote his work, so you must locate his sources. He does have info on HAMILTON in SC. It's possible that the Abernathys knew the Hamiltons in Ulster. ONe of the commonly used strategies is if you can't move forward on one line, research the other line (the spouses). The HAMILTONs he writes about are in Abbeville. The town was owned by Major Andrew Hamilton, s. of Archibald and Frances Calhoun Hamilton of Augusta Co, VA. The grandparents were Audley Harrison and Eleanor Adams Hamilton, whose estate was in Tyrone, Ireland. Audley descended from Lord Claude Hamilton, a son of Sir James Hamilton, 2nd Earl of Arran and regent of Scotland and guardian of Mary, Queen of Scots. (This makes sense as the HAMILTONs of Tyrone were Catholic). Major Andrew Hamilton married Jane McGarra. In 1765 they left VA for Abbeville to join his wife's kin, the Calhouns. Major H is associated with General Andrew Pickens, who moved from SHenandoah at the time. They were both elders of the Long Cane PResbyter Church and commanding officers in the Revolution. (P 164-165). He has two pages of sources at the rear of the book, no idea where he got this info, but given the prominance of the Hamiltons, a history of Abbeville would be one place to look. You got a few clues here of places to look for your Abernathys. Also its' important to recall that 95% of the folk in the south hoofed it down from the Middle Atlantic states. So esp. for South Carolina, you trace them from the NORTH, just like the Hamiltons, who came down from VA. Many in VA came down from PA or MD. SOme from the New ENgland colonies. only 5% floated into a Virginia or Carolina harbor in a boat. So I'd do a fast check of Augusta County (this is about half of VA at your time....) to see if you can place Abernathys there. The court records are published and are easy to search. Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "David C Abernathy" <DaveA@schmeckabernathy.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:21:56 -0800 > I am new to this mailing. Is any one connected to my line. I have hit a >brick wall on Hugh's connection prior coming to the "Colonies". > >HUGH ABERNATHY was born Bet. 1738 - 1743 in Ireland, and died February 21, >1826 in Franklin County, Indiana. He married MARY ANN HAMILTON 1773 in >South Carolina. She was born 1770 in South Carolina, and died September 16, >1838 in Fountain County, Indiana. > > >Thanks, >David C Abernathy >Email disclaimers >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com >== All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2005 == > >-----Original Message----- >From: CBGILBERT@aol.com [mailto:CBGILBERT@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 7:27 AM >To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Sc-Ir] I LOVE THE POSTINGS > >Happy Day after Thanksgiving to one and all! >I've lurked around this wonderful site for a few months now waiting to see >if anything pertained to my families. I've discovered that while most of >the info has nothing to do with my family names it does open up avenues for >thought. >My local Genie Club at the library just had a study on Scots-Irish and now >there's a discussion on this site! How great is that! >While I can't relate to the "newbies",people who came over in the >1800's,(GRIN!!!!) because my families, the Atwell's and the Abernethy's, >came to America in the late 1600's I still learn something from everyone. >Thanks to all who take the time to post questions, provide answers and >steer us to other places to explore. >Also, concerning the delete key, I've use mine many times when things >aren't interesting to me and guess what, it works! (a little joke) Bless >you all. >Cynthia Bolick Gilbert > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net ______________________________

Would the person who was searching for a possible connection with pres. Andrew JAckson contact me directly Dcran41266@comcast.net

TO: Emalu at Quint Hart qhart@plmw.com RE: Ulster Methodist Records Please visit the following for an historical explaination for those early Methodist groups in Ulster. http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/records/church/methodist/ Lee Ramsey

Well done, Ella! -----Original Message----- From: Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 9:04 AM To: Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V05 #196

Donna in Michigan, There are also Stinsons in my ancestry. They were from the Chester County area of South Carolina. I haven't looked at the info on them specifically for quite some time, but I recall reading that my family line were a hard-headed group that continued to use the phonetic "Stinson" name, rather than the "Stephenson" spelling used by the rest of the family. If the info would be helpful, I can try to dig out some more of the info in my files. I do recall reading that an ancestor in England invented the steam engine (Henry Stephenson?). Al Elder dnaelder@earthlink.net

Ron: Your post sure make me laugh! Took me back to the days when my SI Dad and I would argue, and my mother (German & Norwegian) would say "You two would say black was white just to argue about it!!!" She would get so exasperated with us. Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron and Brenda" <brenda.snider@worldnet.att.net> To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] traditions > If you haven't noticed, one of our favorite traditions is to disagree. > STRONGLY. WITH CAPITAL LETTERS. Sometimes, I think that the >love of a > good fight maybe one of our defining characteristics. Personally, I >could > argue with a rock. Ron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005

In a message dated 11/25/05 1:04:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, ludiekt@juno.com writes: > I would welcome any advice or suggestions as to how I might track down > these two births in unknown locations in PA. Also, connect with the NorthEast PA group - they are VERY helpful! they are nepa-ancestors@yahoogroups.com put "subscribe" in the subject line, then ask the question! Ann in MI

Forrest, Andrew's parents came from Boneybefore on the outskirts of Carrickfergus, Co Antrim. There is a thatched house near where their house stood which has now been turned into the Andrew Jackson Centre, see for example :- http://www.geographia.com/northern-ireland/ukiher01.htm I would thoroughly recommend the book Sharon quoted "The Ulster Jacksons" (ISBN 0952993805). It not only tries to trace the ancestry of Andrew Jackson but also covers Stonewall Jackson with a suggestion that the two were related. There are chapters about the latter-day Jacksons who stayed in Ulster. Neal (born/bred in Carrickfergus). On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Forrest Plumstead wrote: > I feel like I just fell off the pumpkin wagon. I just found out that Andrew Jackson Sr, father of President Andrew Jackson came from Ulster. Anybody have additional information on this family. (including traditions(sorry couldn't resist<VBG> ;-) ) > > I'm working on a connection between my wife's family and the Andrew Jacksons. > > Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com > Researching the following Surnames: > Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, > Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt > Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ > Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ > Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html > > >

Hi Fern, I can't speak for records in PA, am sure someone else will steer you better. However, a simple way to find which county in PA would be to go to www.familysearch.org and do a search on the 1880 US census for Charles Boyle. This is assuming they were still in PA at the time. If you find the county it will then depend on when the county started to keep birth records and you should be able to find that out on USGenWeb and PA and the county. Good luck, Ludie ----- Original Message ----- From: Fern Muirhead To: Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Sc-Ir] Births in Pennsylvania My Gt-aunt, Sarah Muirhead (1854-1926) married Charles Boyle (1841-1908). They lived most of their lives in Racavan parish, County Antrim. However, for a short period (about 1871-1874) they lived in Pennsylvania where two children were born; Frances in 1872 and Charles Andrew in 1874. This information came from a grandson of Charles Andrew, and this was the extent of his knowledge on the subject. I would welcome any advice or suggestions as to how I might track down these two births in unknown locations in PA. Thank you. >From John Muirhead

Hi Lost, Allll the stories have been great. Have enjoyed them very much. Amazing how all the different countries have brought the traditions with them and they have become part of the whole Christmas celebration. Being a Texan I too was warned of Santa's little bird who was on the window seal watching us and would fly back and give reports on our conduct etc. And he was taking daily reports right up to Christmas Eve night. So we couldn't slack off or get into trouble. Did not hear Dickie bird but just "Santa Claus" Birds" My folks were "scotch-Irish" coming from Mississippi, GA and AL. Bringing good food recipes and small fried pies were a favorite. Peach, apple, or apricot. My grandmother also was famous for her 'sweet potato biscuits" Thanks for the memories. God's Blessings on everyone. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scotch-Irish-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <Scotch-Irish-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V05 #194 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.13.7 - Release Date: 11/23/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.13.7 - Release Date: 11/23/05

Greetings List, My G-Grandfather, John (William) HAMILTON was born in Ireland 7 May 1831. His Father was born in Scotland (ca 1800) and his Mother was (unknown) Irish. John married in America in 1858. That is all we know about our Scotch-Irish roots. I am seeking any help I can get i.e. passenger lists, etc. Ron HABEL Vista, CA, USA

Hi JOhn, It will be a REAL PAIN to try to find those births in PA in your timeframe as, if you are lucky (I usually am not, groan), the county has records. You can learn most about the keeping of birth recrods in PA and every other state at www.usgenweb.com . However why not use the US census to try to locate the family? I checked www.ancestry.com's index for 1870 for a Charles Boyle born in Ireland about 1840: Charles Boyle Cambria, Cambria, PA abt 1840 Ireland Charles Boyle Banks, Carbon, PA abt 1844 Ireland Charles Boyle Salisbury, Lehigh, PA abt 1842 Ireland Charles Boyle Hazle, Luzerne, PA abt 1845 Ireland Sarahs: Sarah Boyle Philadelphia Ward 2 District 7, Philadelphia, PA abt 1850 Ireland Sarah Boyle Philadelphia Ward 26 District 88, Philadelphia, PA abt 1856 Ireland Sarah Boyle Philadelphia Ward 8 District 24, Philadelphia, PA abt 1852 Ireland Sarah Boyle Rush, Schuylkill, PA abt 1852 Ireland I'd check all the Charles to see if any had a wife named Sarah. You can do this at www.ancestry.com if you are a member. If they were not in the 1870 census, you will need to look on line (see above address) for county records. An indication of the religion would help mightily. SOme Catholic churches might have excellent records of this period. So might some Protestant chuches. Best of luck! Linda Merle ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Fern Muirhead" <fmuirhea@memlane.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:01:23 -0700 >My Gt-aunt, Sarah Muirhead (1854-1926) married Charles Boyle (1841-1908). They lived most of their lives in Racavan parish, County Antrim. However, for a short period (about 1871-1874) they lived in Pennsylvania where two children were born; Frances in 1872 and Charles Andrew in 1874. > >This information came from a grandson of Charles Andrew, and this was the extent of his knowledge on the subject. > >I would welcome any advice or suggestions as to how I might track down these two births in unknown locations in PA. > >Thank you. > >>From John Muirhead > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net