Anyone have information on the Scottish name Symington? The spelling of the name is so varied which makes it difficult to look up on web. The only thing i know is my 2nd g'grandmother was Scottish Irish and was born in Ireland in 1830. She came to America probably Pennsylvania after 1830. Missy Warren

I am interested in finding the parents of and any other information on: 1. William Hamilton, born 1720 Belfast, Co Antrim and immigrated to Leacock Twp, Lancaster Co, PA by 1733. 2. Jean McIlvaine (McElwain) born about 1719 in Co Antrim, immigrated to PA and later married above William Hamilton. 3. Samuel Hunter born in 1766 in Co Tyrone, father is possibly James Hunter. Samuel immigrated to PA probably and settled in Steubenville, Ohio in 1797. 4. Mary Leonard born about 1670 in Northern Ireland and immigrated to Chester County, PA, married to David Wherry in 1716 in Northern Ireland. 5. Joseph William Sharpe born in Co Donegal abt 1630, immigrated to Cecil Co, MD by 1689 when and where his son, Thomas was born.

Sorry - I meant early 1700's. JP > [Original Message] > From: John Polk <jfpolk@earthlink.net> > To: <Scotch-Irish-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 1/1/2006 11:02:14 PM > Subject: [Sc-Ir] Beattys in Coleraine-Limavady > > Would anyone out there know if Beatty was a common name in > Coleraine-Limavady area in early 17th century? > > Thanks - > > JP > > > > --- John Polk > --- Havre de Grace MD > --- jfpolk@earthlink.net > > > > --- John Polk --- Havre de Grace MD --- jfpolk@earthlink.net

Would anyone out there know if Beatty was a common name in Coleraine-Limavady area in early 17th century? Thanks - JP --- John Polk --- Havre de Grace MD --- jfpolk@earthlink.net

Hi folks, This is the Scotch-Irish list and I'm the admin, so I have given myself permission to post the URL of this here website that does French genealogy in the hopes it helps with these Hanchettes: http://www.geneanet.org/ Notta lot of help for me...my ex's MERLEs were originally Genovese, went to Switzerland and then France, though there are French Merles. He's (and supposed moi) still a 'dit Merle'. Apparently the MERLOs were bankers to Al Capone but please don't tell my mother as I'm not sure she could handle it.... For myself I'm a British mutt like the rest of yeh....Actually my ex's paternal line is this fake French/Italian mafia stuff but his maternal line is DUNCAN from Donegal and GRAY from Kings County They were Catholics, the Grays, so I can't help with any Proddy Grays. This is also the Isadora DUNCAN line: she was half Ulster Scot and half Irish but an awful lot of her was pure O'Gorman (from Claire, probably.) But anyway the website above might establish the surname in France. Durn...forget how to say "Happy New Year" in French. "Frohliches Weinachten"....no....that's definitely not it!! No wonder that marriage didn't last <grin> Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

This extended family descended from William Thompson an wife Katherine Hunter Grey........he b. 1822- Ireland. Katherin b.5-8-1827? m. 12-25-1843 They lived in New Wilmington PA., Washington CO> and Mercer CO. PA Her parents ? possibly George Grey or Asa Grey and Mary Ella Hunter ? buried Mercer Co. PA Daughter Amelia Frances m. William James Keys b. Washington CO. PA married 6-29-1871 This family of Keys later moved down to Kansas. Any connection or help appreciated......need names of parents of William or information on Grey and Hunter family who may be related. Sarah

I am interested in McCutcheon and Cobb families in Ontario and Robson and Angus in Co Down

On 31 Dec, 2005, at 11:40, AGarvin224@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/05 8:56:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, > DougB81042 > writes: > >> ..And if memory serves me right he is buried in London > > Weren't they both Dons @ Oxford? > Ann Yes. Lewis encouraged Tolkien's writing of the Hobit, but Tolkien did not return the favor with Lewis' Narnia series. Their lives and interactions are both well documented in various biographies. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com

The name MacCaughey caught my attention in Linda's email. "It is under MacCaughey, which was anglicized to HACKETT. I hope you realize the standardized spelling is a very modern invention in English and that since most of our ancestors were next to illiterate, it doesn't matter....they could not spell their surnames. WE're going on phonetics here." Mentioning phonetics, from records I hold concerning CAUGHEY & KEACHIE in Wigtownshire, SCOT they indicate two different spellings for the same family with one spelling in the Census Record and another on a Memorial Inscription. Also given that the Galloway Irish accent of Stranraer, Portpatrick, Leswalt and district (WIG) was very similar to the Ulster accent the following may be of interest: Phonetically KEA as in K-YA and CAU; CH with the Scottish guttural sound as in loCH also the GH as in the Irish LouGH; and IE and EY and with a Galloway Irish (Stranraer, WIG) SCOT accent or Ulster NI accent Keachie and Caughey would sound exactly the same when spoken by a local. Today I note KEACHIE is pronounced as it looks and I notice in New Zealand CAUGHEY is pronounced CO-AY. To support the above the from the Parish of Leswalt Census Records of 1841 (Wigtownshire, Scotland) being 20 miles straight across the water from Ulster KEACHIE Robert 45, farmer, Ireland, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Jean 35, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Charles 15, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE David 5, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Elizabeth 5, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Jean 15, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Mary 20, Auchneel 1 KEACHIE Robert 10, Auchneel 1 and The following MI is in St Andrew's Church Burial Ground Stranraer: Erected by Robert CAUGHEY Auchneil in memory of his children Jane who died 25th Novr 1842 aged 19 year, David died at St. Stephens, New Foundland 17th Feby 1857 aged 25 years. William died 23rd Feby 1871 aged 25 years also the said Robert CAUGHEY who departed this life 26th Feby 1879 aged 88 years and Jane KENMUIR his esteemed spouse who departed this life 20th May 1879 aged 78 years. I believe it to be the same family and of interest is the spelling of CAUGHEY/KEACHIE and JEAN/JANE and Auchneil/Auchneel for the same family so the spelling of names and places was often how it sounded to the scribe. Sam Heron

Does anyone know if Hanchette or Hanchett is a Scot-Irish surname? Carla DeVille --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 12/31/05 8:56:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, DougB81042 writes: > ..And if memory serves me right he is buried in London Weren't they both Dons @ Oxford? Ann

Hi Carla, There really is no such thing as a Scotch Irish name. The people who lived in Ulster and were Protestant, who later left for the USA, etc, were of the following ethnic origins: -- Scots -- English -- Welsh -- Irish -- French -- Dutch -- German etc. They came to Ulster and just as people came to America and Canada and Australia and created new ethnic groups and nationalities, so did they. So, just like in America, you can find LOTs of surnames but not a single one is native American. The native Americans didn't use surnames. In the same way, every surname of an Ulster Prod originated as something else. So there is no surname that one can eyeball and say "YUP! They were Prods from Ulster!" Usually we ask this question when we are trying to figure out where our ancestors 'came from'. You can't figure it out from the surname usually. Thorough research that is less likely to contain mistakes of course takes a long time to do, but it's possible to tell, free, in a second or two, a lot. You should check IGI. It does not have as good coverage for Ireland as for England and Scotland because Ireland's records are worse. But it can tell you free in a second if anyone beleives that your surname was in Ireland. I just did that and didn't find any. That doesn't mean it wasn't. However there are plenty of Hanchettes in England. Lots of English people went to Ireland. I checked the authoritative book on English (actually British) surnames "A Dictionary of English Surnames" by Reaney and Wilson. I checked them becauase they are viewed as the experts. We got enough bad info! It doesn't have your name, but then some of mine are missing..... It's not in Black "Surnames of Scotland" nor MacLysaght "Surnames of Ireland". It is not in Bell "Book of Ulster Surnames" though HACKETT is. It is under MacCaughey, which was anglicized to HACKETT. I hope you realize the standardized spelling is a very modern invention in English and that since most of our ancestors were next to illiterate, it doesn't matter....they could not spell their surnames. WE're going on phonetics here. IT's easy to not here the "N". The form suggests French to me. As you probably know, many French Protestants were purged in France as well as adjoining low countries. Many fled to England. However they didn't come once. THey went back when things improved and often then returned. It's hard to trace Huguenots. However when they were given denization by Parliament, we got records. You may want to find those records and see if your surname is among them. Of course (as if to deliberately do in ourselves....) the French were also settled in Ireland after too many arrived for England to absorb. There were also Flemish populations in Ireland, next Dublin in the early 1600s. Still it's clear that most if not all seem to be in England. How come did English people come to Amerikay in colonial days? SOme came on their own, paying their way on ships, often with indentured servitude, to buy land and become yeoman farmers. Many were prisoners shipped here as guests of the realm. ONe of the reasons for the American revolution was the grief those guys caused when unloosed on the local populace. After the war the British tried to land a shipful or two at our shores. In addition many paupers were rounded up on the streets of London or other large cities because they cluttered up the place and caused the usual problems that paupers do. People were actually given or purchased the right to round them up and haul them off, usually to the more southern colonies like Virginia. Though we do not have records of the early arrivals or even most arivals, we have some records extracted from records around London and published. These are named in books like "Immigrants in Chains". They're burned into CDs now. Most if not all are indexed in "Filby". That index is at your library and at ancestry. It doesn't seem to have any early Hanchetts, but you'd need to search for longer than 30 seconds to say for sure.....(I gotta dash out to buy food so I got only 30 secs). ENglish surnames in Ireland can be difficult. Cromwell in the 1650s settled his whole English army there, so you should be able to find lots of them. However those lads married Irish gals. Their children were Catholic and their grandchildren often could not speaka da English. The surnames morphed into Irish names. The ones that came even earlier were of course also impacted by the presence of Irish. The appearance of your surname as early as the 1550s in England suggests to me the name is French, but you'd want to check to make sure such a surname exists in France before deducing that. Their determination to not lose the "N" suggests that they didn't want to assimilate. Of course maybe you descend from HACKETTS who got uppity and invented a glamorous past for themselves. To see if this is a french name, check IGI and/or if you go to cyndislist.com you will find sources for French genealogy. Apparently it does exist on the continent as a surname as I see in ancestry one arriving in the 1800s from Switzerland. Usually though you have to figure out where they came from with clues in where ever they went. There are very very few Emigration records. Lastly, because the majority of people living in the backwoods of colonial America were Scotch Irish, others assimilated into it, so that descendents assume or believe their ancestors also came from Ireland when they might have come from England, Germany, Switzerland, France. If there was a community of French, etc, in your area in colonial America, a county history might ID it. Best of luck! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

Would anyone know anything at all about my Lindsey ancestry? Where did they come from before Londonderry? They came to America about 1725 (probably earlier) and settled in Pembroke and Bridgewater, MA. Apparently, as the story goes: "About the year 1700 Thomas Lindsay left Scotland for America by way of Londderry then a flourishing and most accessible seaport on the north coast of Ireland. At Londonderry he met some old friends and joined them in a steeple chase. This celebration proved fatal to him as he was thrown from his horse and his neck broken. His wife and nine children were obliged to set sail, leaving "Tom," as his wife called him, to be buried by his friends." (Ephraim Lindsey and His Descendants, compiled by Mrs. L.J. Holbrook, Rockland, Mass.) Barbara B.

..And if memory serves me right he is buried in London

Hi Barbara, You should be checking in Scotland if you believe that the story about your ancestor's death on a brief stop over in Ulster is correct. That's where he was born and was baptized. To find him in Scotland or anywhere, for that matter, you will have to gather clues and analyze them. Based on your analysis you will then execute a strategy to locate records (records that exist: too many people waste years looking for records that never existed) to find more clues or prove the ones you have. Since the basis of your family research appears to be a compiled work, your first step is to evaluate the credibility of that work. There are a huge number of records in New England. Probably it is richer than any other area of what is now America and Canada. Of course what we have is incomplete. Still you should be able to find reference to the family in land, probate, and town records. If you have not done New England research before, you need to spend a little time learning how to do it. TOo often people attempt to proceed like they did in Pennsylvania or Virginia, when actually New England records are quite different (ie town records, not county are usually far more important and a 'town' was and is a heck of a different entity than it is or was in PA or VA, etc, etc. It is more akin to the British 'parish', but then if you don't do English or Scottish reserach this comment is not too helpful <grin>). THough we usually start with compiled genealogies, of which we have MANY in New England, the industry of debunking the old ones is huge. People are ALWAYS debunking these. You will find the New England Historic Genealogical Society and its publica- tions VERY useful. Their website is wonderful (www.newenglandancestry.com ). There were a fair number of Scottish surnames in New England in 1700 as in the 1650s Cromwell shipped off soldiers from a battle he'd won over the Scots. After these men served their time as slaves in factories, many married the boss's daughter. By 1700 they were main stream New Englanders. It was not until 1718 that the first five ships of Ulster immigrants arrived, invited by Cotton Mather. I would do some serious examination into the economics of this family in New England. The emigration of an entire family at once definitely means they had some money. That increases the likelihood that you can find them. It's critical to discover their source. Merchants? THis is highly likely, esp. as you say they had friends in L'derry. Merchants got friends everywhere. I'm rattling on here. There are a couple LIndseys named in "Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and American" by Bolton but no Thomas. It is the 101 level book on New England Scotch Irish. So maybe the story is true. Before I'd waste a second more I'd prove or disprove the compiled family history starting with the New England parts of it. As NEHGS has put SO many records on line it's not too difficult, even if they moved, you can probably find them. As families delivered children in varous towns, you can get a better idea of when they did come and the town records to search for records. Also search for a probate. This can very very difficult. If the family owned land in more than one country (England, Scotland, Ireland, the colonies....), then it was probated at Canterbury. These are published. If he owned land in more than one Scottish county, then Edinburgh. These both should be checked, not only for HIS will but for mention made when a parent died -- so check 50 years or more into the future. If the family didn't have a larger estate, then you must search every Scottish jurisdiction. The ones you would search first (populous jurisdictions filled with Prods) have the indexes on fiche and are filmed and in LDS.Some are in www.ancstry.com . In 1700 you will not find hardly any newspapers but the Belfast Newsletter is indexed and free on the Internet (our webpages and google have the URL). Best of luck! Linda Merle ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.fea.net

In a message dated 12/31/05 6:35:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, fplum1@gmail.com writes: > What about his buddy Tollkin, did he come from this part of the country > also? (Inquiring minds want to know <VBG>) > I believe Toilkin was from the Forest of Dean, which is in Gloucester, England. Ann in MI

Over the holidays I recieved jokes and poems and such and so established a new index on my site called "Fun" Click below>Main Menu>Genealogy Fun Index Enjoy! By-the-way. The hit counter is at 9626. I should hit the 10000 mark soon. Please don't go to my website just to spin the counter. I have worked very hard to provide something that should be of interest to everybody browse around use the PICO search engine. Happy New Year everybody! Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

I am continuesly amazed at all the great people or their families who come from this region. I was watching PBS and found out the C. S. Lewis was born and raised in Belfast. What about his budy Tollkin, did he come from this part of the country also? (Inquiring minds want to know <VBG>) Forrest Plumstead fplum1@gmail.com Researching the following Surnames: Bushouse, Plumstead, Risser, Schroeder, Senne, Thayer, Quaker Families: Coppock, Heald, Hobson, Hollingsworth, Potts, Ross, Watt Plumstead and Associated Families: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~fplum/ Military Kool Lynx: http://geocities.com/fplum/ Ham Radio WB5HQO http://forrest.3h.com/main.html

CALL FOR PAPERS - Please Post or Distribute Sixteenth Biennial Ulster-American Heritage Symposium Conference Theme: Three Centuries of Ulster-American History, Tradition, and Shared Experience Wednesday, June 28 - Saturday, July 1, 2006 The East Tennessee History Center will host the Sixteenth Ulster-American Heritage Symposium in Knoxville, Tennessee from Wednesday, June 28 to Saturday, July 1, 2006. The conference theme is "Three Centuries of Ulster-American History, Tradition, and Shared Experience." . Since 1976 the Symposium has met every two years at a university or museum in Northern Ireland or the United States in order to encourage and promote the scholarly study and public awareness of connections between Ulster and North America in all their dimensions. While programs in the past have provided the premier forum for historians to discuss the colonial-era immigration from Ulster and the settlement of the American interior and Southeast, the Ulster-American Heritage Symposium is by tradition and design inter-disciplinary, featuring papers on history, language and literature, folklore and folklife, archaeology, economics, religion, social and political relations, and music. The summer 2006 Symposium seeks to broaden the program offerings further by seeking scholarly papers on artistic traditions of all kinds, travel and tourism, and the American GI experience in Northern Ireland in the World War Two, among other topics. Original papers from any field that concern relations, links, and parallels between Ulster and North America over the past three hundred years are invited for presentation. Knoxville promises to be an excellent venue for the Symposium. In the Scotch-Irish/Scots-Irish heartland of the country, it lies less than an hour from the Great Smoky Mountains National Park and other major attractions. Comprising the East Tennessee Historical Society, the East Tennessee History Museum, and the McClung Historical Collection (a major genealogical library), the East Tennessee History Center has recently opened a new twenty-million-dollar facility in downtown Knoxville. Special events planned for the Symposium will include  Address "Ulster Immigrants and the Settlement of Tennessee," by Walter Durham, Tennessee State Historian, following a general reception at the East Tennessee History Center on Wednesday, June 28.  Address on the American GI experience in Northern Ireland in World War Two, by Jonathan Bardon, Queen's University Belfast, on Thursday, June 29.  Address on early stone houses in Kentucky and Tennessee, by Carolyn Murray-Wooley, Drystone Conservancy on Friday, June 30.  Banquet at Ramsey House and after dinner talk by Charles Faulkner, University of Tennessee, on archeological excavations at the site, on Friday, June 30.  Special half-day session on genealogy on Saturday, July 1.  Bluegrass session on Saturday, July 1, to close conference. To propose a paper at the conference, please send by JANUARY 15, 2006 three copies of a 250-word abstract with a cover letter indicating your name, postal and email addresses, institutional affiliation (if any), equipment needs, and a one-sentence biographical note, to Program Committee, Sixteenth Ulster-American Heritage Symposium c/o East Tennessee Historical Society PO Box 1629 Knoxville, TN 37901-1629 Address any inquiries to the Co-Chairs of the Program Committee: Michael Montgomery (_ullans@yahoo.com_ (mailto:ullans@yahoo.com) ) or Michael Toomey (_toomey@east-tennessee-history.org_ (mailto:toomey@east-tennessee-history.org) ). Notice of acceptance will be made no later than January 31, 2006, at which time presenters will also receive information on hotels and local arrangements. Conference updates will be posted at _www.east-tennessee-history.org_ (http://www.east-tennessee-history.org)

Here are my notes from History of Williamsburg (County, SC), by Boddie Gen. 975.7 B666 Chap. 1 - In 1729 there were only two small settlements in SC - Charleston and Beaufort. There was nothing to support them except Indian trade. They were constantly being threatened by the Indians and by Spaniards from Florida. In 1730 the King gave instructions to settle persons who wanted to be planters. Eleven townships were marked out on the banks of rivers: Altamaha-2, Savannah-2, Pon Pon-1, Santee-2, Wateree-1, Black-1 and Waccamaw-1. Each was to have 20,000 acres to be divided into plots for settlers. The townships were to be at least 60 miles from Charlestown. These townships and lands within six miles of them were to be erected into a district parish. When any parish had 100 householders it would be entitled to send 2 members to the Assembly. White servants were to be given 50 acres when they finished service. Actually nine townships were laid out. A map/plan of the town of Williamsburg in 1737 shows it's in Craven County. The township on the Black River had the King's Tree as its basal point. Aug. 21, 1737 the Town of Williamsburg was laid out. (Craven Co. was one of the 4 original political divisions of SC.) In 1734 Craven had been divided into parishes and the territory of what later became Williamsburg was part of Prince Frederick Parish. In 1732 a colony of 40 Scot-Ir. under leader Roger Gordon settled near the Kings Tree. Chapter includes lots of Witherspoon history. Chap. 3 - Included is a list of all who settled in the township up to 1737. Each man got a half-acre in town and 50 acres outside for each person in his family. Joseph and Mary Cantey, Samuel and Ann Cantey, Wm. and Mary Snow, were included. Provides lists of those who settled in Winyaw section, Huguenots, settlers who came 1737-1775. These were nearly all Scot-Irish coming from, in most cases, a Scot-Irish settlement in PA. Some came directly from Ireland. Chap. 6 - Sometimes a minister from Prince Fredericks in Winyaw or one from Orangeburg would visit but no Church of England was erected or even undertaken in Williamsburg Township. In 1736 a Presby. Congregation was formed. Two years later they got 2 acres from Capt. Roger Gordon on the eastern plat of Williamsburg to build a Meeting House. They worshipped on that spot until 1890. This Williamsburg Presbyterian Congregation was the only religious organization in the township until 1786. In 1734 Prince Frederick Parish had been divided from Prince George Parish in Winyaw. List of pew holders. This is a very good history. Map of Williamsburg: 1737, 1775, 1788,1801,1825 (Mills) and Williamsburg County 1923. _______ Does anyone have more details? Are there any land records on the Internet for SC around 1730-1790? Lyndall Maxwell lyndall_maxwell@msn.com<mailto:lyndall_maxwell@msn.com>